One of the claims by Nbe is that the conference will help invitees improve their recruiting. I consider this a false claim. Schools like Texas and TAMU, Florida and Florida State are going to get whoever they want, and then the NonAQ teams pick afterwards. That reailty is not going to change, whether the team's conference is CUSA or Nbe.

If TU is in Nbe, then fine. If TU is in CUSA/West, that is fine also. Because despite all the conference turmoil and touted claims, Tulsa's recruiting remains strong, in fact, this 2013 is especially strong.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=617609

(02-08-2013 12:13 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  One of the claims by Nbe is that the conference will help invitees improve their recruiting. I consider this a false claim. Schools like Texas and TAMU, Florida and Florida State are going to get whoever they want, and then the NonAQ teams pick afterwards. That reailty is not going to change, whether the team's conference is CUSA or Nbe.

If TU is in Nbe, then fine. If TU is in CUSA/West, that is fine also. Because despite all the conference turmoil and touted claims, Tulsa's recruiting remains strong, in fact, this 2013 is especially strong.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=617609

Georgia has 170 sign FBS scholarships with only 2 FBS schools with a third on the way. I like that ratio a little better than Oklahoma.

(02-08-2013 12:13 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  One of the claims by Nbe is that the conference will help invitees improve their recruiting. I consider this a false claim. Schools like Texas and TAMU, Florida and Florida State are going to get whoever they want, and then the NonAQ teams pick afterwards. That reailty is not going to change, whether the team's conference is CUSA or Nbe.

If TU is in Nbe, then fine. If TU is in CUSA/West, that is fine also. Because despite all the conference turmoil and touted claims, Tulsa's recruiting remains strong, in fact, this 2013 is especially strong.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=617609

Rivals has Tulsa as the 4th highest rated class in CUSA (tied with UCF and S Miss, but behind Houston, Marshall, and SMU). Tulsa was in a 4 way tie for the #73 recruiting class in the country (Syracuse, S Miss, UCF had the same national score). Houston had the highest non-AQ recruting class in the country (#50). Boise was at #60, 2 places behind Marshall (#58). So--it seems like a mixed bag. It perhaps helped some schools more than others.

(02-08-2013 07:39 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(02-08-2013 12:13 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  One of the claims by Nbe is that the conference will help invitees improve their recruiting. I consider this a false claim. Schools like Texas and TAMU, Florida and Florida State are going to get whoever they want, and then the NonAQ teams pick afterwards. That reailty is not going to change, whether the team's conference is CUSA or Nbe.

If TU is in Nbe, then fine. If TU is in CUSA/West, that is fine also. Because despite all the conference turmoil and touted claims, Tulsa's recruiting remains strong, in fact, this 2013 is especially strong.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=617609

Georgia has 170 sign FBS scholarships with only 2 FBS schools with a third on the way. I like that ratio a little better than Oklahoma.

Exactly. I think Dekalb or Gwinnett may have 33 by themselves

Shoelaces.

(02-08-2013 08:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-08-2013 12:13 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  One of the claims by Nbe is that the conference will help invitees improve their recruiting. I consider this a false claim. Schools like Texas and TAMU, Florida and Florida State are going to get whoever they want, and then the NonAQ teams pick afterwards. That reailty is not going to change, whether the team's conference is CUSA or Nbe.

If TU is in Nbe, then fine. If TU is in CUSA/West, that is fine also. Because despite all the conference turmoil and touted claims, Tulsa's recruiting remains strong, in fact, this 2013 is especially strong.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=617609

Rivals has Tulsa as the 4th highest rated class in CUSA (tied with UCF and S Miss, but behind Houston, Marshall, and SMU). Tulsa was in a 4 way tie for the #73 recruiting class in the country (Syracuse, S Miss, UCF had the same national score). Houston had the highest non-AQ recruting class in the country (#50). Boise was at #60, 2 places behind Marshall (#58). So--it seems like a mixed bag. It perhaps helped some schools more than others.

When I look at any known recruiting data, my interest is the data are consistent from one year to the next? I am not so concerned about if it measures the absolute correctly. I think Rivals does that, that is, provide a year to year indicator of quality of the class recruited.

Tulsa ranked 89 and 88 in 2011 and 2012, respectively. Tulsa ranked 71 in 2013, a jump of 17 points. Here, I think Rivals is very much correct. TU really improved with this recruiting class, especially on defense where TU signed 3 DTs and 3 DEs.

In his press conference following signing day, TU Coach Bill Blankenship stated this class filled our needs, especially on defense, and is a very good class. Then, he quickly added: "And, of course, that is what 119 other IA football coaches are saying today!" He then went on to say we got a little bigger, and a litte quicker with this class."

TU will not produce a highly rated class via Rivals and Scout ratings. One reason is that TU will sign an injured player that did not play much and BCS schools will shy away from them.

Another reason is Tulsa will sign kids from small towns and schools. TU signed a DB from Hooker in the Oklahoma panhandle, a town of 1,900. He had offers from Oregon State, KSU, SDSU, and Colorado St. TU signed an offensive lineman from Vian, Oklahoma, which has 1,400 people. The DB is ranked 2-Stars by rivals, as is a TE who verballed with TU but had 4 BCS offers. The kid verballed early and stayed loyal to TU. OU and OSU will not sign a football player from a 2-A school (about 2,000 town population) but 3-A and above where the competition is stiffer and it is easier to evaluate the recruit.

Very early offers to kids just under the BCS radar and BCS pursuit is another tactic TU has used. Many times, these kids get BCS offer or offers and, many times, they stay loyal to TU. The question must become: If you, the BCS school, think I am so good, why did you offer me so very late in the recruiting season?"

TU will sign athletic players and put them in other postions. Athletic QBs are especially targeted by TU. TU has 2 of this type in this class.

TU will sign a player and keep them at the position they want to play. BCS schools won't do that. TU got an outstanding DE who had previously verballed to OU as an OT. He wanted to play defense, not offense.

TU will sign TEs and LBs and convert them into DL or DE. TU also has two of these kids in this class.

All NonAQ schools do the above. But it appears Ben Blankenship and the current staff are doing an excellent job.

Because of the pecularities of recruiting, each fan sort of has to make a judgment about their school's recruiting class. TU has performed superbly in CUSA winning two Liberty Bowls, one more than the CUSA-11 combined. This class undoubtedly will keep TU at that high level of performance.

TU has been on about a 10 year run. About 2 years ago, TU finally became a physical team rather than a finess team. I watched the line play especially close in the ND/TU game, and ND could not push TU around. TU physically dominated ISU from the start of the 2nd quarter to the end of the Liberty Bowl game. This physicallness is the big change at TU and it very much continues with this class.

SUMMARY OF 2013 TULSA FOOTBALL RECRUITS:
http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=610451

(02-08-2013 07:39 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(02-08-2013 12:13 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  One of the claims by Nbe is that the conference will help invitees improve their recruiting. I consider this a false claim. Schools like Texas and TAMU, Florida and Florida State are going to get whoever they want, and then the NonAQ teams pick afterwards. That reailty is not going to change, whether the team's conference is CUSA or Nbe.

If TU is in Nbe, then fine. If TU is in CUSA/West, that is fine also. Because despite all the conference turmoil and touted claims, Tulsa's recruiting remains strong, in fact, this 2013 is especially strong.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=617609

Georgia has 170 sign FBS scholarships with only 2 FBS schools with a third on the way. I like that ratio a little better than Oklahoma.

That is pretty good and why SEC is so strong. Georgia has 10M people. The question, from a CUSA and Nbe perspective, is how many quality recruits do they get out of the pool of 170?

(02-09-2013 08:42 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(02-08-2013 07:39 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(02-08-2013 12:13 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  One of the claims by Nbe is that the conference will help invitees improve their recruiting. I consider this a false claim. Schools like Texas and TAMU, Florida and Florida State are going to get whoever they want, and then the NonAQ teams pick afterwards. That reailty is not going to change, whether the team's conference is CUSA or Nbe.

If TU is in Nbe, then fine. If TU is in CUSA/West, that is fine also. Because despite all the conference turmoil and touted claims, Tulsa's recruiting remains strong, in fact, this 2013 is especially strong.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=617609

Georgia has 170 sign FBS scholarships with only 2 FBS schools with a third on the way. I like that ratio a little better than Oklahoma.

That is pretty good and why SEC is so strong. Georgia has 10M people. The question, from a CUSA and Nbe perspective, is how many quality recruits do they get out of the pool of 170?

There is enough to go around, East Carolina has had great success recruiting the state of GA and some of our best players over the last several years have come out of GA. Three of our recruits this year are from the state of GA.

(02-08-2013 12:13 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  One of the claims by Nbe is that the conference will help invitees improve their recruiting. I consider this a false claim. Schools like Texas and TAMU, Florida and Florida State are going to get whoever they want, and then the NonAQ teams pick afterwards. That reailty is not going to change, whether the team's conference is CUSA or Nbe.

If TU is in Nbe, then fine. If TU is in CUSA/West, that is fine also. Because despite all the conference turmoil and touted claims, Tulsa's recruiting remains strong, in fact, this 2013 is especially strong.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=617609

This was a very down year for Oklahoma high school football. According to the Oklahoman... outside of the six players that signed with OU and OSU, only three players signed with BCS schools.

(02-09-2013 04:36 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(02-08-2013 12:13 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  One of the claims by Nbe is that the conference will help invitees improve their recruiting. I consider this a false claim. Schools like Texas and TAMU, Florida and Florida State are going to get whoever they want, and then the NonAQ teams pick afterwards. That reailty is not going to change, whether the team's conference is CUSA or Nbe.

If TU is in Nbe, then fine. If TU is in CUSA/West, that is fine also. Because despite all the conference turmoil and touted claims, Tulsa's recruiting remains strong, in fact, this 2013 is especially strong.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=617609

This was a very down year for Oklahoma high school football. According to the Oklahoman... outside of the six players that signed with OU and OSU, only three players signed with BCS schools.

True. But, as a point of clarification, four of Tulsa's Oklahoma signees had BCS offers and five BCS schools signed an Oklahoma player, KSU, Oregon St, WVA, Auburn, and Washington State.

Tulsa signed 3 OL who did not have BCS offers....but did not offer the OL who signed with Washington State.

(02-09-2013 05:51 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(02-09-2013 04:36 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(02-08-2013 12:13 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  One of the claims by Nbe is that the conference will help invitees improve their recruiting. I consider this a false claim. Schools like Texas and TAMU, Florida and Florida State are going to get whoever they want, and then the NonAQ teams pick afterwards. That reailty is not going to change, whether the team's conference is CUSA or Nbe.

If TU is in Nbe, then fine. If TU is in CUSA/West, that is fine also. Because despite all the conference turmoil and touted claims, Tulsa's recruiting remains strong, in fact, this 2013 is especially strong.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=617609

This was a very down year for Oklahoma high school football. According to the Oklahoman... outside of the six players that signed with OU and OSU, only three players signed with BCS schools.

True. But, as a point of clarification, four of Tulsa's Oklahoma signees had BCS offers and five BCS schools signed an Oklahoma player, KSU, Oregon St, WVA, Auburn, and Washington State.

Well not according to the Oklahoman article I read, only three not five signed with BCS schools. They did not list any players signing with KSU or Washingrton State. Only Oregon State, WVA and Auburn.

(02-09-2013 06:15 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(02-09-2013 05:51 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(02-09-2013 04:36 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(02-08-2013 12:13 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  One of the claims by Nbe is that the conference will help invitees improve their recruiting. I consider this a false claim. Schools like Texas and TAMU, Florida and Florida State are going to get whoever they want, and then the NonAQ teams pick afterwards. That reailty is not going to change, whether the team's conference is CUSA or Nbe.

If TU is in Nbe, then fine. If TU is in CUSA/West, that is fine also. Because despite all the conference turmoil and touted claims, Tulsa's recruiting remains strong, in fact, this 2013 is especially strong.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=617609

This was a very down year for Oklahoma high school football. According to the Oklahoman... outside of the six players that signed with OU and OSU, only three players signed with BCS schools.

True. But, as a point of clarification, four of Tulsa's Oklahoma signees had BCS offers and five BCS schools signed an Oklahoma player, KSU, Oregon St, WVA, Auburn, and Washington State.

Well not according to the Oklahoman article I read, only three not five signed with BCS schools. They did not list any players signing with KSU or Washingrton State. Only Oregon State, WVA and Auburn.

I rechecked and the number is four:
Carolos Freman, Midwest City, WSU
Khari Harding, Edmond Sante Fe, Auburn
Corey Lawrence, Del City, Oregon St
Cre Moore, Broken Arrow, KSU

The fifth player I made a mistake is a JUCO from Southmoore (South of Okla City) who signed with WVA, d,vante Henry.

D'Vante Henry was at an Arizona juco when WVU signed him...

(02-08-2013 12:13 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Schools like Texas and TAMU, Florida and Florida State are going to get whoever they want

True.

Quote:and then the NonAQ teams pick afterwards.

But not all at once. Teams in the Aresco Group, by and by, will pick ahead of teams in C-USA.