IF the 5 additions are dayton, xaiver, butler, st louis and Creighton they are going midwest big time. I figured at least one addition would be in the east, umass or VCU to balance things. Of course, they could easily jump to 14 with both umass and vcu. I don't see the problem with a couple of public school's + getting more markets and ease travel.

(02-05-2013 11:43 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-05-2013 11:28 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I would think it would be either entrance fees or repaying the C-7 for the startup expenses- but not both. I mean, either you are a part of the startup of the league, or you are entering an "existing" league- but not both.

True, but we're still pushing back against the Rovell article that had us getting paid 2x what the new members get in perpetuity, or at least the length of the Fox contract.

I suppose, though, that both entrance fees and loan repayments are both _possible._ Say the C-7 agrees to pay $5M each to the Aresco League, leave a year early and secure 100% clear title to the name. The conference agrees to reimburse the schools at say $500,000 per year over 10 years, paid out "off the top" of conference revenues. Then the new Big East entrants pay $2.5M each, $500,000 per year for 5 years. (That's what Houston agreed to pay to get in to the Big East according to their contract. http://www.cougarinsurance.com/blog/wp-c...ntract.pdf)

If the payout is $3.5M per, then Providence would be getting $4M per year and Creighton would be getting $3M per year to start.

Now common sense says, don't be a raging jackwad and just pick one or the other. And furthermore, if the "exit fees"/settlement with the Aresco League are a conference expense, so are the A-10 exit fees.

I don't see the new teams agreeing to that setup at all. Either one or the other, not both. And- if we're going to 12 teams- and the 5 teams that are entering are in unison- they would coordinate it to make where it doesn't happen. And after those 5 teams- there's not much out there to choose from.

(02-05-2013 11:43 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  Say the C-7 agrees to pay $5M each to the Aresco League, leave a year early and secure 100% clear title to the name. The conference agrees to reimburse the schools at say $500,000 per year over 10 years, paid out "off the top" of conference revenues. Then the new Big East entrants pay $2.5M each, $500,000 per year for 5 years. (That's what Houston agreed to pay to get in to the Big East according to their contract. http://www.cougarinsurance.com/blog/wp-c...ntract.pdf)

$35 million seems like a lot to pay, especially given that there is (reportedly) almost twice that much to divide up in Big East NCAA tournament revenue. But whatever. For the sake of argument pretend that Aresco's wildest dreams come true, that the C7's lawyers and negotiators do a terrible job, and that Aresco really does get that much money out of them.

I suppose the C7 could leave all of their shares of NCAA tournament money with the FB-playing schools, call it a $35 million payment to Aresco & Friends, and put it on their accounting ledger as a payment made by the C7's new league and financed by a loan of $5 million from each C7 school to the league, and then write it into the league bylaws that loan repayments are made off the top of league revenue every year for X years until each C7 school has been fully repaid with interest.

(02-05-2013 11:53 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

Quote:Now common sense says, don't be a raging jackwad and just pick one or the other. And furthermore, if the "exit fees"/settlement with the Aresco League are a conference expense, so are the A-10 exit fees.

I don't see the new teams agreeing to that setup at all. Either one or the other, not both. And- if we're going to 12 teams- and the 5 teams that are entering are in unison- they would coordinate it to make where it doesn't happen. And after those 5 teams- there's not much out there to choose from.

That's a good point--I wasn't even thinking what was _acceptable_ to the new members, just what was conceivable. And again, even asking for that setup would be quite stupid. If the C-7 wants to be reimbursed for expenses, then we reimburse Butler and XAvier and whoever else for their A-10/MVC exit fees too.

As for the $35M number, I just took the Big East exit fee and multiplied by seven. In other words, pretty much pulled a number out of my I mean out of thin air.

I'm curious as to what the value is for each of the schools, personally.

Let me put it this way... Dayton is a smaller market, but they draw a MUCH larger ratings share than Xavier (Dayton = market 55ish, Cincinnati 33ish). Dayton is on the local CBS channel for a large portion of their non-national games, while Xavier is on Fox Sports Cincinnati. Dayton owns the city of Dayton, while Xavier plays second fiddle to UC. I mean... if the local CBS station has decided UD is worth more advertising than national CBS shows then you'd think that should mean something to a conference TV negotiations.

(02-05-2013 12:32 PM)mlb Wrote:  I'm curious as to what the value is for each of the schools, personally.

Let me put it this way... Dayton is a smaller market, but they draw a MUCH larger ratings share than Xavier (Dayton = market 55ish, Cincinnati 33ish). Dayton is on the local CBS channel for a large portion of their non-national games, while Xavier is on Fox Sports Cincinnati. Dayton owns the city of Dayton, while Xavier plays second fiddle to UC. I mean... if the local CBS station has decided UD is worth more advertising than national CBS shows then you'd think that should mean something to a conference TV negotiations.

the thing is going to be- Xavier playing the C7 schools will change the equation in Cincy real quick.

(02-05-2013 09:54 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 07:35 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Just a heads up, lots of people have "sources" on here. Those who actually have some are few and far between. How would a Cincy "source" know about what the C7 are planning when it comes to sharing TV money?

Uhh... maybe because this Cincinnati fan (I'm not the source) knows people in high places at local schools whom the C7 needs for their new conference. You don't have to believe me... but I stand by everything I said here.

On a side note, nothing I've heard comes from the C7 side of the conference (therefore eliminating Providence from the equation).

So sounds like people from Xavier or Dayton?

Doubtful... Nobody in Cincinnati cares any more about Georgetown, Villanova, or St. Johns than they do about UMass, Temple, St. Joe's, etc....

The best attended games for UC and best ratings were against UConn, UL, and Syracuse.

(02-05-2013 12:40 PM)stever20 Wrote:  the thing is going to be- Xavier playing the C7 schools will change the equation in Cincy real quick.

Xavier is a small private school with a total enrollment of less than 7,000 students. Cincinnati, by comparison, has just under 42,000 students and is the cities largest employer. Xavier will always play second fiddle to the University of Cincinnati in terms of ratings and media coverage no matter what conference they are in. Xavier experienced a brief duration of elevated success and coverage after Cincinnati's program was nuked but now that Cronin has righted the ship after years of recovery I don't see it going back to that point again any time soon. Also, Coach Mack and Xavier's administration aren't exactly doing them any favors at this point either. Xavier is definitely on the decline whereas Cincinnati's stock is quickly rising. Also, the C7 isn't exactly a powerhouse league, not sure where you are thinking that Xavier playing G'Town and Marquette is going to rapidly elevate their program.

(02-05-2013 12:32 PM)mlb Wrote:  I mean... if the local CBS station has decided UD is worth more advertising than national CBS shows then you'd think that should mean something to a conference TV negotiations.

If the local station shows a Dayton basketball game, they can sell all of the advertising time for the game (about 8 minutes every half hour), whereas if they show the CBS program, the local station can only sell 30 seconds of ad time every half hour. The local station wants to preempt the CBS program because they get to sell 16 times as much ad time when they preempt.

(02-05-2013 02:30 PM)Wedge Wrote:  If the local station shows a Dayton basketball game, they can sell all of the advertising time for the game (about 8 minutes every half hour), whereas if they show the CBS program, the local station can only sell 30 seconds of ad time every half hour. The local station wants to preempt the CBS program because they get to sell 16 times as much ad time when they preempt.

I'm sure there is some truth to that... but it my understanding that if you preempt network programming you are fined at some level (or you have a limited number of times you can do that each calendar year). If the money was there, why wouldn't Xavier games be put on TV in Cincinnati in the same manner? Or every school for that matter? They would have to be able to make a LOT more money on every school in the country for the tier 3 games that end up now on regional sports networks.

(02-05-2013 02:30 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(02-05-2013 12:32 PM)mlb Wrote:  I mean... if the local CBS station has decided UD is worth more advertising than national CBS shows then you'd think that should mean something to a conference TV negotiations.

If the local station shows a Dayton basketball game, they can sell all of the advertising time for the game (about 8 minutes every half hour), whereas if they show the CBS program, the local station can only sell 30 seconds of ad time every half hour. The local station wants to preempt the CBS program because they get to sell 16 times as much ad time when they preempt.

Besides, if it's a weekend afternoon, does CBS have any programming to pre-empt, or is the Dayton Flyers game just bumping Judge Joe Brown or American Idol Rewind? Or is the Flyers game being shown instead of NCIS and Big Bang Theory and Survivor (is that still on?)

They have been putting UD games on a 7PM all season... weeknight and weekends.

(02-05-2013 03:14 PM)mlb Wrote:  They have been putting UD games on a 7PM all season... weeknight and weekends.

Huh. Is there another CBS affiliate available?

Not in Dayton. WHIO-TV is the CBS affiliate. http://www.daytonflyers.com/mens/basketball/schedule/

9 games on in prime time this season.

* Prime time on WHIO