(02-01-2013 08:43 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 08:24 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  UL was pretty much the Big 12 gateway to the East and the ACC slammed it shut. No one else to add. Sorry Mountaineers, but Luck is leading that program straight to purgatory. Damn shame because they always had national title potential.

How did Luck lead WV straight to purgatory? They are making $20 mil a year plus their newly signed third tier rights. Add that to the new Championship Bowl with the SEC, and all the other bowl and playoff money that the Big 12 will receive, I would think they are more like in heaven. Hey wait, isn't there a song like that? They may have to travel a little more, but they have hit the Lottery.

Agreed! You would think they would be happy, but they aren't if you look at their board. Great football conference, tons of money yet they constantly talk about the ACC. TCU doesn't. They appreciate their circumstance. I wish WVU could just enjoy their circumstances as well. They wish my team and our new conference a painful death.

but hey, I don't care, it's all for entertainment purposes, we don't make these decisions.

(02-01-2013 08:43 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  I would think they are more like in heaven. Hey wait, isn't there a song like that?

Almost!

(02-01-2013 08:16 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  I would say Louisville is on an island in the Atlantic Coast conference.

Louisville is within 8 hours of 7 ACC schools

(02-01-2013 10:07 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 08:16 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  I would say Louisville is on an island in the Atlantic Coast conference.

Louisville is within 8 hours of 7 ACC schools

Rabonchild .... Facts have never gotten in the way of SMUmustangs posts.



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(02-01-2013 07:05 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  It must be terrible to be all alone on West Virginia Island!

Louisville fans would have sold their mothers to get on that island at one point

(02-01-2013 08:49 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 08:43 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 08:24 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  UL was pretty much the Big 12 gateway to the East and the ACC slammed it shut. No one else to add. Sorry Mountaineers, but Luck is leading that program straight to purgatory. Damn shame because they always had national title potential.

How did Luck lead WV straight to purgatory? They are making $20 mil a year plus their newly signed third tier rights. Add that to the new Championship Bowl with the SEC, and all the other bowl and playoff money that the Big 12 will receive, I would think they are more like in heaven. Hey wait, isn't there a song like that? They may have to travel a little more, but they have hit the Lottery.

Yeah, and all that money will have to go into maintaining the program to even have a prayer of competing, something they readily did up here. I am sure they will soon cut most of their non-revenues as it is unsustainable. Once that happens, there will be little left over to invest in the university.

maybe you don't know but WVU is in the planning stages on building a new baseball stadium-not field but stadium. I think the state has already signed off on the plan and approved some sort of special tax district so the taxes from the businesses in that district, which will be anchored by the stadium, will go to help fund it. If the state hasn't, it should be done this legislative session or the next. There's also rumors about a minor-league team sharing the stadium with the baseball team. Have no clue if that will ever come about.

WVU athletics has generally be in the black and the department is well-run. I don't think anyone associated with any of the programs are worried that their sport will be cut. I think it was part of the agreement with the Big 12 that we increase the number of sports offered.

(02-01-2013 10:35 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 08:49 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 08:43 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 08:24 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  UL was pretty much the Big 12 gateway to the East and the ACC slammed it shut. No one else to add. Sorry Mountaineers, but Luck is leading that program straight to purgatory. Damn shame because they always had national title potential.

How did Luck lead WV straight to purgatory? They are making $20 mil a year plus their newly signed third tier rights. Add that to the new Championship Bowl with the SEC, and all the other bowl and playoff money that the Big 12 will receive, I would think they are more like in heaven. Hey wait, isn't there a song like that? They may have to travel a little more, but they have hit the Lottery.

Yeah, and all that money will have to go into maintaining the program to even have a prayer of competing, something they readily did up here. I am sure they will soon cut most of their non-revenues as it is unsustainable. Once that happens, there will be little left over to invest in the university.

maybe you don't know but WVU is in the planning stages on building a new baseball stadium-not field but stadium. I think the state has already signed off on the plan and approved some sort of special tax district so the taxes from the businesses in that district, which will be anchored by the stadium, will go to help fund it. If the state hasn't, it should be done this legislative session or the next. There's also rumors about a minor-league team sharing the stadium with the baseball team. Have no clue if that will ever come about.

WVU athletics has generally be in the black and the department is well-run. I don't think anyone associated with any of the programs are worried that their sport will be cut. I think it was part of the agreement with the Big 12 that we increase the number of sports offered.

Better hope that all works out. Sounds eerily familiar. (pun intended)

(02-01-2013 06:47 PM)TerryD Wrote:  "FSU


I preface this information by saying many will disagree with this information and I will take NO OFFENSE. This comes straight for an ACC source. I have my own opinion of the information but would rather share what I have been told and let you decide.

When Maryland announced their intent to leave the ACC and join the B1G Swofford was proactive in replacing them as soon as possible. This was done so that the ACC would seem less vulnerable for a shorter amount of time.

As was widely speculated UL and UConn were the two main targets. UConn was the choice of UNC and Duke while UL was the choice of FSU, Clemson, Miami. Neither school seemed to get the necessary votes to gain an invitation. FSU made a power move and stated that if their wishes/opinions were once again overlooked they would start looking for another home. FSU went as far as to contact the Big 12 and B1G. They also went as far as to leak this information so that Swofford and ACC schools would know.

In the end UL got the nod over UConn to appease FSU. From sources within the ACC FSU gained a little bit of power by making this move. UNC and Duke have relinquished some of their power in order to stave off other conferences from poaching unhappy schools. The fact that FSU has gained a larger say in ACC matters has caused them to pause at leaving the conference without it being a necessity.

There is still a belief within the ACC that UVA could potentially join Maryland in the B1G. However, past UVA there is no indication that any other ACC school is leaving. UConn would be the obvious and immediate replacement to UVA.

ACC sources tell me that the loss of UVA would not cause a mass exodus. Further, the scheduling alliance with the Big 12 would go even further in stabilizing the conference. He did note that this alliance was further along in the works than has been reported, although Swofford did hint as much. Notre Dame has agreed to play Texas on a regular basis, however not yearly. ESPN has agreed to pay some type of premium in order for this to happen that would benefit both conferences. Also stated that FSU is in favor of this alliance.

With all this said, who thinks this is an ACC spin and who thinks this potentially could be the truth?"


http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=159&f=458...240222&p=1

The Big 10 would add UConn if UVA were the only school to leave the ACC. UConn would choose the BIG over the ACC at this point for more stability, though obviously would prefer either to the Big East.

Note: The football schools in the ACC would want Cincy over UConn anyway, and Cincy is a step up from UVA in terms of football quality. Everybody wins in this scenario.

The OP jives with what we've heard on the UofL boards as far as FSU, Clemson, etc. wanting the Cards in. Hopefully the alliance will add more money in the TV contract and the ACC can stay strong.

(02-01-2013 10:52 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 10:35 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 08:49 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 08:43 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 08:24 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  UL was pretty much the Big 12 gateway to the East and the ACC slammed it shut. No one else to add. Sorry Mountaineers, but Luck is leading that program straight to purgatory. Damn shame because they always had national title potential.

How did Luck lead WV straight to purgatory? They are making $20 mil a year plus their newly signed third tier rights. Add that to the new Championship Bowl with the SEC, and all the other bowl and playoff money that the Big 12 will receive, I would think they are more like in heaven. Hey wait, isn't there a song like that? They may have to travel a little more, but they have hit the Lottery.

Yeah, and all that money will have to go into maintaining the program to even have a prayer of competing, something they readily did up here. I am sure they will soon cut most of their non-revenues as it is unsustainable. Once that happens, there will be little left over to invest in the university.

maybe you don't know but WVU is in the planning stages on building a new baseball stadium-not field but stadium. I think the state has already signed off on the plan and approved some sort of special tax district so the taxes from the businesses in that district, which will be anchored by the stadium, will go to help fund it. If the state hasn't, it should be done this legislative session or the next. There's also rumors about a minor-league team sharing the stadium with the baseball team. Have no clue if that will ever come about.

WVU athletics has generally be in the black and the department is well-run. I don't think anyone associated with any of the programs are worried that their sport will be cut. I think it was part of the agreement with the Big 12 that we increase the number of sports offered.

Better hope that all works out. Sounds eerily familiar. (pun intended)

The stadium, new I-79 interchange, and special tax zone have all been approved. WVU also has interest from more than one MLB summer league team to make use of the stadium once it's completed, which should be in time for the 2014 season. So WVU has already found a paying tenant to help recoup the cost of construction...

This baseball season is going to be interesting, since it will be played in minor league ballparks across the state. But next season, WVU will have a brand new stadium to use...

http://wvgazette.com/Sports/WVU/201212130103

Villecard: it's just a matter of time before the ACC is raided again and the ACC becomes closer and closer to the old Big East. A matter of time I tell you, by who and when is the only question. Too many quality schools in the ACC for BIG and Big 12 to pass up. I see FSU, Clemson as possible Big 12 targets and UVA, UNC as possible BIG targets. UConn and Cincinnati would move then. At this point, with Calhoun gone, one could consider Cincinnati a better basketball and football school than UConn. The only advantage UConn would have in athletics over Cincinnati is the women's basketball and possible baseball program. Everything else in Cincinnati is better right now.

Since the topic at hand is "sources of information," I am going to stretch that topic point a bit with this post. The North Carolina U Athletic Director is from Tulsa U. Tulane's Athletic Director is a former Tulsa U football player. So TU officials, among probably many other personal relationships and contacts, has a door into thinking inside ACC and Nbe. My guess too, since TU-OSU-OU alumni are interconnected, that TU is being fed info by both OSU and OU officials.

TU officials will probably have to make some difficult decisions ahead (it appears that is true for many other schools too). But I know they will make the best decision possible, given the circumstances.

(02-01-2013 10:27 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 07:05 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  It must be terrible to be all alone on West Virginia Island!

Louisville fans would have sold their mothers to get on that island at one point

of course the B12 would be better than the Big East for football. However, Louisville has always wanted to be in the ACC as our first choice.

(02-02-2013 10:29 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 10:27 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 07:05 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  It must be terrible to be all alone on West Virginia Island!

Louisville fans would have sold their mothers to get on that island at one point

of course the B12 would be better than the Big East for football. However, Louisville has always wanted to be in the ACC as our first choice.

You can have 'em. WVU ended up in the right conference. We value our football program...

IMO the ACC has become The BEast 2.0, just like The BEast has become CUSA 2.1...

Enjoy the B12 and we will enjoy the ACC.

(02-02-2013 10:40 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Enjoy the B12 and we will enjoy the ACC.

That's the plan...

(02-01-2013 08:16 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  I would say Louisville is on an island in the Atlantic Coast conference.

Geography isn't your strong suit.

To tell the truth, I wish the ACC would add West Virginia and Cincinnati. This would be my divisions:

Boston College
Syracuse
Pitt
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Louisville
Virginia Tech
Virginia

North Carolina
North Carolina State
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
George Tech
Florida State
Miami

(02-01-2013 09:04 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 06:47 PM)TerryD Wrote:  "FSU


I preface this information by saying many will disagree with this information and I will take NO OFFENSE. This comes straight for an ACC source. I have my own opinion of the information but would rather share what I have been told and let you decide.

When Maryland announced their intent to leave the ACC and join the B1G Swofford was proactive in replacing them as soon as possible. This was done so that the ACC would seem less vulnerable for a shorter amount of time.

As was widely speculated UL and UConn were the two main targets. UConn was the choice of UNC and Duke while UL was the choice of FSU, Clemson, Miami. Neither school seemed to get the necessary votes to gain an invitation. FSU made a power move and stated that if their wishes/opinions were once again overlooked they would start looking for another home. FSU went as far as to contact the Big 12 and B1G. They also went as far as to leak this information so that Swofford and ACC schools would know.

In the end UL got the nod over UConn to appease FSU. From sources within the ACC FSU gained a little bit of power by making this move. UNC and Duke have relinquished some of their power in order to stave off other conferences from poaching unhappy schools. The fact that FSU has gained a larger say in ACC matters has caused them to pause at leaving the conference without it being a necessity.

There is still a belief within the ACC that UVA could potentially join Maryland in the B1G. However, past UVA there is no indication that any other ACC school is leaving. UConn would be the obvious and immediate replacement to UVA.

ACC sources tell me that the loss of UVA would not cause a mass exodus. Further, the scheduling alliance with the Big 12 would go even further in stabilizing the conference. He did note that this alliance was further along in the works than has been reported, although Swofford did hint as much. Notre Dame has agreed to play Texas on a regular basis, however not yearly. ESPN has agreed to pay some type of premium in order for this to happen that would benefit both conferences. Also stated that FSU is in favor of this alliance.

With all this said, who thinks this is an ACC spin and who thinks this potentially could be the truth?"


http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=159&f=458...240222&p=1

So, was Jurich lying when he said that Louisville's biggest advocates were Clemson, Florida State, and Syracuse?

Not necessarily lying...Cuse didn't have a vote. They only advised. Cuse I'm sure explained the strengths of UL and how they have 1st class facilities. Also, they can explain how UL treated visiting teams/administrators over UConn.

To Jurich they were vital...to the source in the OP...Cuse was not important as they were not a voting member.

(02-02-2013 10:20 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  Villecard: it's just a matter of time before the ACC is raided again and the ACC becomes closer and closer to the old Big East. A matter of time I tell you, by who and when is the only question. Too many quality schools in the ACC for BIG and Big 12 to pass up. I see FSU, Clemson as possible Big 12 targets and UVA, UNC as possible BIG targets. UConn and Cincinnati would move then. At this point, with Calhoun gone, one could consider Cincinnati a better basketball and football school than UConn. The only advantage UConn would have in athletics over Cincinnati is the women's basketball and possible baseball program. Everything else in Cincinnati is better right now.

Except fan support, academics, facilities, AD budget/revenue, and TV market. Strangely enough these things come into play with realignment.