(01-31-2013 01:35 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-31-2013 12:53 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Since we are doing repetition in this thread, it seems to have become the topic at hand, let me do yet another repetition. The Nbe fans have co-opted this board and consider it as theirs exclusively. Therefore, any post or comment not praising the Nbe is to be regarded as hate, trolling, or a flame. There needs to be two realignment boards, one for Nbe fans and a second Realignment board for all other fans for all other conferences.

I'd say the vast majority of folks on this board are NOT nBE fans. In fact I've been posting here way before ECU ever got an invite and none of us have any control whatsoever what has happened within the Big East.

Does it suck to move into a conference that isn't quite what you hoped for? Will the nBE TV deal suck in comparison to the Big 5? Is the nBE a better option for ECU, Memphis, UCF, etc than CUSAv4.5? Yes, yes and yes.

For me, yes, yes, and who knows?

JMO,

But I think it indicates 2 themes:

1) The ACC is not about to fall apart (at least not this year) If the B12 truly believed FSU, Clemson, GT and UL were on the way, they wouldn't bother with this. To me this, this says those schools said "thanks, but no thanks until the BIG and SEC force our hand.

2) The B12 is worried about its format. The last 2 years has seen a one loss B12 team get passed over for the title game because of BCS ranking. TCU is the current favorite to win it next year. If the Frogs drop one along the way to Baylor or WVU then it could easily happen a 3rd time.

(01-31-2013 02:39 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  JMO,

But I think it indicates 2 themes:

1) The ACC is not about to fall apart (at least not this year) If the B12 truly believed FSU, Clemson, GT and UL were on the way, they wouldn't bother with this. To me this, this says those schools said "thanks, but no thanks until the BIG and SEC force our hand.

2) The B12 is worried about its format. The last 2 years has seen a one loss B12 team get passed over for the title game because of BCS ranking. TCU is the current favorite to win it next year. If the Frogs drop one along the way to Baylor or WVU then it could easily happen a 3rd time.

As a point of clarification, OSU controlled its own destiny. Its star running back fumbled two times. Take away either one of those fumbles and OSU beats ISU and goes to National Title Game. He wasn't the only player that made foolish mistakes. OSU didn't have its head in the ISU game.

True, but I also can't help but believe that if the team was named "Oklahoma" then they would have found a way to get them in over Alabama

If I am the ACC, B10, SEC or PAC12 I would be furious if the B12 is granted this waiver. They all tried it in the past and were rejected. That is why they all added additional teams at some point. PAC12 could have just left Colorado and Utah where they were and stayed at 10 and the ACC would not have taken 3 teams n the 1st raid of the BE.

(01-31-2013 03:00 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  If I am the ACC, B10, SEC or PAC12 I would be furious if the B12 is granted this waiver. They all tried it in the past and were rejected. That is why they all added additional teams at some point. PAC12 could have just left Colorado and Utah where they were and stayed at 10 and the ACC would not have taken 3 teams n the 1st raid of the BE.

Maybe confused but not furious. Keep in mind 3 of those 4 decided to expand BEYOND 12 out of pure greed and to try proving a point apparently.

There are 10 votes in this (technically WAC can still vote but I'm betting they abstain.

Going to vote for it.
Big XII
Sun Belt.

Has a reason to vote for it.
ACC (to eliminate raid pressure).

Explain to me why they vote for it.
SEC
Pac-12
B1G (only justification I have for those three voting that way is to create stability, but if B1G truly wants to go to 16 the Big XII looking predatory toward ACC helps, if SEC wants to snatch a bargain, ACC getting raided helps).

Not going to vote for it.
Big East. UConn and Cincinnati aren't shedding any tears if the ACC loses teams, it opens doors for them. USF and UCF are probably both thinking if the ACC loses its Florida presence that opens doors for them.
CUSA. The risk of Big XII turning predatory is their hoped for result.
MWC. If Big XII doesn't get it and raids ACC, Big East is weaker, and ACC might lose contract status. This is a positive result for MWC.

(01-31-2013 02:39 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  JMO,

But I think it indicates 2 themes:

1) The ACC is not about to fall apart (at least not this year) If the B12 truly believed FSU, Clemson, GT and UL were on the way, they wouldn't bother with this. To me this, this says those schools said "thanks, but no thanks until the BIG and SEC force our hand.

2) The B12 is worried about its format. The last 2 years has seen a one loss B12 team get passed over for the title game because of BCS ranking. TCU is the current favorite to win it next year. If the Frogs drop one along the way to Baylor or WVU then it could easily happen a 3rd time.

That is certainly a plausible reading of events.

But I wonder if it might be something different.

A few years ago when I worked as counsel for a state agency a legislator proposed a bill that if passed would cause the loss of millions in Federal dollars. I sat with him and explained it. He still wanted the bill but asked that we ask the relevant Federal agency if we could either get an exemption OR create a pilot project to test if his idea might be more effective.

We wrote the request and received a prompt, "No. Our way or give up the dollars." The legislator then pulled down the bill.

Because of that background and the varied claims of the Big XII being pro and anti expansion, it causes me to wonder if there happen to be one or more presidents in the league saying, "Why expand? If we can get title game without expanding we don't need to." Which has led them to go down this previously worn path of attempting to modifiy the NCAA Bylaws in order to permit the 10 team title game.

If it is granted, then there is a new revenue source. If it is denied then some or all of the expansion blocking votes are negated and they proceed to pursue expansion.

If the Big 12 plans to go at it with 10 (another lousy Big 12 decision-this league is nearly as bad as the Big East in decision making), then at least change the name from the Big 12. There are only 10 teams guys and it's time to be recognized and review the name of the league. They can't even do that. I can see the letter to the NCAA, "we would like to proceed with at 10 team conference championship, signed the Big 12." Yep!!

(02-02-2013 06:05 PM)Vewb1 Wrote:  If the Big 12 plans to go at it with 10 (another lousy Big 12 decision-this league is nearly as bad as the Big East in decision making), then at least change the name from the Big 12. There are only 10 teams guys and it's time to be recognized and review the name of the league. They can't even do that. I can see the letter to the NCAA, "we would like to proceed with at 10 team conference championship, signed the Big 12." Yep!!

In that same vein, Big East is neither.

(02-03-2013 10:52 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(02-02-2013 06:05 PM)Vewb1 Wrote:  If the Big 12 plans to go at it with 10 (another lousy Big 12 decision-this league is nearly as bad as the Big East in decision making), then at least change the name from the Big 12. There are only 10 teams guys and it's time to be recognized and review the name of the league. They can't even do that. I can see the letter to the NCAA, "we would like to proceed with at 10 team conference championship, signed the Big 12." Yep!!

In that same vein, Big East is neither.

AFter the transition is complete, the new Metro Conference will have one of the more accurate names in FBS. Compared to treating 10 as XII and 14 as Ten or Texas as the Southeast and Colorado as the Pacific, or the Old Confederacy plus West Virginia as the USA, calling Greenville NC a Metro area isn't that big a stretch.