I think they are arguing over venue...whoever gets home court will have a big advantage. Pretty sure this will be settled out of court for a compromise figure.

(01-31-2013 09:40 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(01-31-2013 09:34 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  AtlanticLeague, do you think the addition of John*s* Hopkins can actually help the Big Ten land schools such as Virginia and North Carolina?

No.

The only thing that's going to dislodge UNC and UVA is the smell of smoke on the ACC ship. After the ACC settles with UMD for ~$30M, we'll know if Clemson and FSU were bluffing.

If those two make a move, then get ready to welcome some schools from Dixie to the Midwest. I don't see Hopkins coming into play.

Agreed. The Big Ten may add forty schools and conquer the world, but I really doubt that adding Johns Hopkins for lacrosse will move the needle very much, at all.

(01-31-2013 07:21 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(01-30-2013 11:19 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  It would be interesting to see how strong the CIC can get.

In the academic world, there's a big rift between the Ivy League and the CIC. They're fundamentally different. The Ivies are super-elite, but small and elitist. The Big 10/CIC schools are huge and leverage their size to have experts in nearly every field available on campus (if you go to any random academic conference, odds are that 1/3 of attendees are from Big 10 schools). The Ivies knock the Big 10 for having lower admission standards, while the Big 10 knocks the Ivies for being elitist and snobbish. The rivalry is compounded and reinforced by regional stereotypes (elitist New England snobs vs simple Midwestern farmers).

Just last year, one of the Ivy League presidents actually suggested that the Big 10 schools drop graduate education, and let schools like the Ivies to train the next generation of professors. It caused a huge hubub.

It would be interesting to see where schools like Duke and Johns Hopkins sit on this debate.

Hilarious, having taught in the Ivies, I can tell you there is no danger of a rivalry with the CIC. Most people in the world, outside of internet message boards, have no idea what the CIC is. There is absolutely no inherent prestige value in academia placed on any single conference outside of the Ivy. That includes the Patriot League, the UAA, the ACC, and the Big 10. Schools stand on their own.

I disagree to an extent. The Ivies are put up on a pedestal. (Somewhat rightfully so, but way too high a pedestal to be sure.) Schools in the conferences you mention are perceived as being exceptional and in some cases elite institutions. Granted its not necessarily because of their conference affiliation, but people do think of very high quality schools when thinking of the Big Ten and ACC.

(02-01-2013 09:50 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(01-31-2013 07:21 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(01-30-2013 11:19 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  It would be interesting to see how strong the CIC can get.

In the academic world, there's a big rift between the Ivy League and the CIC. They're fundamentally different. The Ivies are super-elite, but small and elitist. The Big 10/CIC schools are huge and leverage their size to have experts in nearly every field available on campus (if you go to any random academic conference, odds are that 1/3 of attendees are from Big 10 schools). The Ivies knock the Big 10 for having lower admission standards, while the Big 10 knocks the Ivies for being elitist and snobbish. The rivalry is compounded and reinforced by regional stereotypes (elitist New England snobs vs simple Midwestern farmers).

Just last year, one of the Ivy League presidents actually suggested that the Big 10 schools drop graduate education, and let schools like the Ivies to train the next generation of professors. It caused a huge hubub.

It would be interesting to see where schools like Duke and Johns Hopkins sit on this debate.

Hilarious, having taught in the Ivies, I can tell you there is no danger of a rivalry with the CIC. Most people in the world, outside of internet message boards, have no idea what the CIC is. There is absolutely no inherent prestige value in academia placed on any single conference outside of the Ivy. That includes the Patriot League, the UAA, the ACC, and the Big 10. Schools stand on their own.

I disagree to an extent. The Ivies are put up on a pedestal. (Somewhat rightfully so, but way too high a pedestal to be sure.) Schools in the conferences you mention are perceived as being exceptional and in some cases elite institutions. Granted its not necessarily because of their conference affiliation, but people do think of very high quality schools when thinking of the Big Ten and ACC.

The Ivies get their choice of some of the most prestigious research grants but those are not always the biggest and the Ivies despite their prestige don't actually have the largest and most capable research facilities. They just have the "Best and Brightest" there to do the research, or so they say. The Best and Brightest are mixed in with the Spoiled, the Rotten and the Egotistical to a fault crowd. Some big companies will pay big time to have their research packaged with those particular labels.

The bulk of the work is done by the rest though. Its alright if some common folk want to think that nothing goes on during those meetings and that this country is too idealistic for cronyism to play such a big role in operations, in fact it is probably for the best as far as this country goes that most people are disbelievers as just how dirty such operations of this country are.

The CiC is more than just a supplies purchasing cartel or an opportunity for students to have more options for learning abroad. Those things just look nice on the website.