(02-04-2015 05:46 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(02-04-2015 05:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(02-04-2015 05:33 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Pasley is a JUCO isn't he? Guess he gives us KO ability until Gantz is ready, if ever, to handle those duties.

I like the idea of a kickoff guy when your kicker doesn't have a huge leg. In college you have enough roster spots that you can afford to do this. The Bearcats were very successful doing this with Jason Mammarelli and Jonathan Ruffin. Mammarelli even kicked the long game winner against Syracuse because it was out of Ruffin's range.

Yep, it's a fairly typical practice now. An accurate kick and a long kick are not the same leg swing, hip turnover, and plant and pivot, so typically one that's good at one is not necessarily that great at the other, and if they attempt to become a dual threat, most people mess up their repetitive motion so much that they lose it completely (see Miliano last year). As such, a lot more schools are going to split scholarships or a one and none type rule to allow for both types of kickers and making it less likely that they screw one up by trying to become the other.

Looking at this link, it appears Ryan Jones DID sign. Could it be a regular scholarship and preferred walk on or grayshirt? Not sure why we have nothing on this. I'm all for competition at every position. A high school kid who has a career long of 52 yards is impressive (don't know if he uses a tee or not).

https://twitter.com/hcsm1number1/status/...24/photo/1

(02-05-2015 10:46 AM)scvanguard1 Wrote:  

(02-04-2015 05:46 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(02-04-2015 05:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(02-04-2015 05:33 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Pasley is a JUCO isn't he? Guess he gives us KO ability until Gantz is ready, if ever, to handle those duties.

I like the idea of a kickoff guy when your kicker doesn't have a huge leg. In college you have enough roster spots that you can afford to do this. The Bearcats were very successful doing this with Jason Mammarelli and Jonathan Ruffin. Mammarelli even kicked the long game winner against Syracuse because it was out of Ruffin's range.

Yep, it's a fairly typical practice now. An accurate kick and a long kick are not the same leg swing, hip turnover, and plant and pivot, so typically one that's good at one is not necessarily that great at the other, and if they attempt to become a dual threat, most people mess up their repetitive motion so much that they lose it completely (see Miliano last year). As such, a lot more schools are going to split scholarships or a one and none type rule to allow for both types of kickers and making it less likely that they screw one up by trying to become the other.

Looking at this link, it appears Ryan Jones DID sign. Could it be a regular scholarship and preferred walk on or grayshirt? Not sure why we have nothing on this. I'm all for competition at every position. A high school kid who has a career long of 52 yards is impressive (don't know if he uses a tee or not).

https://twitter.com/hcsm1number1/status/...24/photo/1

He used a 1" in the couple of camps I saw him at. Typically that adds about 5-7 yards of lift and means that there is a larger adjustment once they get on campus. So his career long is effectively 45-47 yards in college situationals. He was also 6/16 from Field Goals and only had a 66% TB rate on kickoffs (From the 40 in high school), so his transition will take a while. Players can sign on and not have grant in aid packages, it's more a formal celebration than anything. He probably got a preferred walk-on spot and will be the scout team kicker/work on his adjustments the first couple years while we still have Gantz. For reference, below is his profile on the kicking service most people use.

http://kohlskicking.com/profile/ryan-jones/5308/

As you can see, he is inconsistent to say the least on kickoffs (typically you don't see miss-kicks on a highlight film, so imagine how his bad ones are) and he has a stunted follow-through and his upper half is REALLY off-balance. His later videos show that he's worked on that a bit, but I always worry about reversion under pressure with kids who had odd approaches and follow-throughs.

Opper says WVU folks have been giving Lewis a hassle... Here's his response:

I am not worried about a conference I am worried about balling for my team and furthering my education yall get out my mentions!
— Kahlil Lewis (@_Dbkiller) February 4, 2015

(02-05-2015 10:54 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(02-05-2015 10:46 AM)scvanguard1 Wrote:  

(02-04-2015 05:46 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(02-04-2015 05:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(02-04-2015 05:33 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Pasley is a JUCO isn't he? Guess he gives us KO ability until Gantz is ready, if ever, to handle those duties.

I like the idea of a kickoff guy when your kicker doesn't have a huge leg. In college you have enough roster spots that you can afford to do this. The Bearcats were very successful doing this with Jason Mammarelli and Jonathan Ruffin. Mammarelli even kicked the long game winner against Syracuse because it was out of Ruffin's range.

Yep, it's a fairly typical practice now. An accurate kick and a long kick are not the same leg swing, hip turnover, and plant and pivot, so typically one that's good at one is not necessarily that great at the other, and if they attempt to become a dual threat, most people mess up their repetitive motion so much that they lose it completely (see Miliano last year). As such, a lot more schools are going to split scholarships or a one and none type rule to allow for both types of kickers and making it less likely that they screw one up by trying to become the other.

Looking at this link, it appears Ryan Jones DID sign. Could it be a regular scholarship and preferred walk on or grayshirt? Not sure why we have nothing on this. I'm all for competition at every position. A high school kid who has a career long of 52 yards is impressive (don't know if he uses a tee or not).

https://twitter.com/hcsm1number1/status/...24/photo/1

He used a 1" in the couple of camps I saw him at. Typically that adds about 5-7 yards of lift and means that there is a larger adjustment once they get on campus. So his career long is effectively 45-47 yards in college situationals. He was also 6/16 from Field Goals and only had a 66% TB rate on kickoffs (From the 40 in high school), so his transition will take a while. Players can sign on and not have grant in aid packages, it's more a formal celebration than anything. He probably got a preferred walk-on spot and will be the scout team kicker/work on his adjustments the first couple years while we still have Gantz. For reference, below is his profile on the kicking service most people use.

http://kohlskicking.com/profile/ryan-jones/5308/

As you can see, he is inconsistent to say the least on kickoffs (typically you don't see miss-kicks on a highlight film, so imagine how his bad ones are) and he has a stunted follow-through and his upper half is REALLY off-balance. His later videos show that he's worked on that a bit, but I always worry about reversion under pressure with kids who had odd approaches and follow-throughs.

Excellent post! Thanks for all the details!

Still a shot at Cece? Nice that we are not even mentioned as receiving an official visit.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ferons-nli

(02-05-2015 01:06 PM)@ES Trader Wrote:  Still a shot at Cece? Nice that we are not even mentioned as receiving an official visit.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ferons-nli

Yeah, espn doesn't list us as a school that made an offer either... What's up with that?

I don't think we have a chance... but you never know...

(02-05-2015 01:06 PM)@ES Trader Wrote:  Still a shot at Cece? Nice that we are not even mentioned as receiving an official visit.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ferons-nli

I'd tell him "thanks for the interest, but the class is full....you can walk on or grayshirt if you want..." I'm tired of these kids not "maning" up.

(02-05-2015 01:24 PM)scvanguard1 Wrote:  

(02-05-2015 01:06 PM)@ES Trader Wrote:  Still a shot at Cece? Nice that we are not even mentioned as receiving an official visit.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ferons-nli

I'd tell him "thanks for the interest, but the class is full....you can walk on or grayshirt if you want..." I'm tired of these kids not "maning" up.

Yeah...you're an idiot if you don't take that kid...he's a day one starter at a position of high need and will start for 3 years until he heads to the NFL to become an ambassador of our program.

His father's comments are intriguing from a UC perspective...I mean, his parents both came up here with him, which was the only official they did that for (of course that could also entirely be due to the fact that their nephew who was practically a son was on the team)

(02-05-2015 01:42 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(02-05-2015 01:24 PM)scvanguard1 Wrote:  

(02-05-2015 01:06 PM)@ES Trader Wrote:  Still a shot at Cece? Nice that we are not even mentioned as receiving an official visit.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ferons-nli

I'd tell him "thanks for the interest, but the class is full....you can walk on or grayshirt if you want..." I'm tired of these kids not "maning" up.

Yeah...you're an idiot if you don't take that kid...he's a day one starter at a position of high need and will start for 3 years until he heads to the NFL to become an ambassador of our program.

His father's comments are intriguing from a UC perspective...I mean, his parents both came up here with him, which was the only official they did that for (of course that could also entirely be due to the fact that their nephew who was practically a son was on the team)

If I have to choose between my integrity in honoring a scholarship offer to a committed athlete and this guy, I'd choose integrity. Now that doesn't mean I wouldn't explore possible scenarios to make it work. But if my class is full, and it just doesn't work without me leaving a committment twisting in the wind, sorry CeCe, you should have committed to UC sooner.

(02-05-2015 02:13 PM)scvanguard1 Wrote:  

(02-05-2015 01:42 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(02-05-2015 01:24 PM)scvanguard1 Wrote:  

(02-05-2015 01:06 PM)@ES Trader Wrote:  Still a shot at Cece? Nice that we are not even mentioned as receiving an official visit.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ferons-nli

I'd tell him "thanks for the interest, but the class is full....you can walk on or grayshirt if you want..." I'm tired of these kids not "maning" up.

Yeah...you're an idiot if you don't take that kid...he's a day one starter at a position of high need and will start for 3 years until he heads to the NFL to become an ambassador of our program.

His father's comments are intriguing from a UC perspective...I mean, his parents both came up here with him, which was the only official they did that for (of course that could also entirely be due to the fact that their nephew who was practically a son was on the team)

If I have to choose between my integrity in honoring a scholarship offer to a committed athlete and this guy, I'd choose integrity. Now that doesn't mean I wouldn't explore possible scenarios to make it work. But if my class is full, and it just doesn't work without me leaving a committment twisting in the wind, sorry CeCe, you should have committed to UC sooner.

Nope...I can't agree with that. At the end of the day, your job is 100% reliant on your on-field success, cutting a kid who would've been marginal depth for someone who could completely shift the direction of a program is something any coach who wants to keep his job would do. And it's not like we couldn't figure something out to keep everyone too, there are TONS of "academic" scholarships that could be applied to some kids in order to keep the whole class intact.

I hope he chooses Auburn just so I can laugh at Florida.

Coop I just hope those Meeschigan schools are regretting not getting Holloway

Yeah, last I understood per Tim Adams yesterday was we were at 26 right now for 25 slots. It sure sounds like we'd have willingly gone to 27 if we'd flipped somebody like the DL who signed with S. Fla. If we'd do it for him, I'm sure we'd do it for Cece - not that I see it as at all likely of happening. IIRC, Adams also noted that he doesn't remember a time when EVERY signee actually made it to the first day of classes so 26 (or even 27) quite probably isn't going to be an issue. And if the natural attrition somehow doesn't happen there are very likely at least reasonable (if not 100% desirable) alternatives as partially noted by Bearcatman that can typically be put into place to accommodate a player or two (who presumably understood the situation and signed anyway - again per Mr. Adams).

He didn't even list UC as a finalist yesterday, which is why I considered it a 0% chance of happening.

(02-05-2015 02:47 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  He didn't even list UC as a finalist yesterday, which is why I considered it a 0% chance of happening.

Oh yeah, it'll never happen, but it's still laughable that someone would tell him to walk if he somehow ended up her. I think he'll end up at Auburn too honestly. He and Cowart seemed close, and I was thinking he'd end up there yesterday.

(02-05-2015 02:19 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(02-05-2015 02:13 PM)scvanguard1 Wrote:  

(02-05-2015 01:42 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(02-05-2015 01:24 PM)scvanguard1 Wrote:  

(02-05-2015 01:06 PM)@ES Trader Wrote:  Still a shot at Cece? Nice that we are not even mentioned as receiving an official visit.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ferons-nli

I'd tell him "thanks for the interest, but the class is full....you can walk on or grayshirt if you want..." I'm tired of these kids not "maning" up.

Yeah...you're an idiot if you don't take that kid...he's a day one starter at a position of high need and will start for 3 years until he heads to the NFL to become an ambassador of our program.

His father's comments are intriguing from a UC perspective...I mean, his parents both came up here with him, which was the only official they did that for (of course that could also entirely be due to the fact that their nephew who was practically a son was on the team)

If I have to choose between my integrity in honoring a scholarship offer to a committed athlete and this guy, I'd choose integrity. Now that doesn't mean I wouldn't explore possible scenarios to make it work. But if my class is full, and it just doesn't work without me leaving a committment twisting in the wind, sorry CeCe, you should have committed to UC sooner.

Nope...I can't agree with that. At the end of the day, your job is 100% reliant on your on-field success, cutting a kid who would've been marginal depth for someone who could completely shift the direction of a program is something any coach who wants to keep his job would do. And it's not like we couldn't figure something out to keep everyone too, there are TONS of "academic" scholarships that could be applied to some kids in order to keep the whole class intact.

They could always give someone a scholarship in another sport. They already said that Hollaman is going to run track.

That being said, agree with those who said CeCe is not coming here.

(02-05-2015 02:52 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Oh yeah, it'll never happen, but it's still laughable that someone would tell him to walk if he somehow ended up her. I think he'll end up at Auburn too honestly. He and Cowart seemed close, and I was thinking he'd end up there yesterday.

Agreed.

I think OSU is currently a half dozen above the 85 limit, but that'll get taken care of just like it is everywhere else via transfers (which the coaching staff probably already knows about), career-ending injuries, and guys not getting 5th years.

The SEC is the only conference where you see a lot of questionable activity in this regard and the movement to a 4-year scholarship should curb some of that. Of course there's always scum like Bobby Petrino too.

it could happen until he signs with another school...imagine the media attention it would create for Cece and UC.

(02-05-2015 02:42 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  Yeah, last I understood per Tim Adams yesterday was we were at 26 right now for 25 slots. It sure sounds like we'd have willingly gone to 27 if we'd flipped somebody like the DL who signed with S. Fla. If we'd do it for him, I'm sure we'd do it for Cece - not that I see it as at all likely of happening. IIRC, Adams also noted that he doesn't remember a time when EVERY signee actually made it to the first day of classes so 26 (or even 27) quite probably isn't going to be an issue. And if the natural attrition somehow doesn't happen there are very likely at least reasonable (if not 100% desirable) alternatives as partially noted by Bearcatman that can typically be put into place to accommodate a player or two (who presumably understood the situation and signed anyway - again per Mr. Adams).

1 of the 26 is likely going to greyshirt due to a knee injury

(02-05-2015 03:17 PM)@ES Trader Wrote:  it could happen until he signs with another school...imagine the media attention it would create for Cece and UC.

"Elite 5 Star Recruit Signs With Cincinnati, It's Only A Matter Of Time Until He's Kicked Out Of School For Getting Arrested"