(12-23-2012 09:18 AM)X-band 01 Wrote:  Xavier and Dayton fanbases definitely don't like each other, although I suspect this is more of an internet rivalry than you'd see in real life. There's a lot more bad blood between Xavier and UC fans, although I'm not going to reopen that can of worms (last Wednesday notwithstanding).

I'm not in the know as far as the Xavier and UD administrations, although I have a feeling that there is more camaraderie between the two. It's not like the early 90s when UD bolted out of the MCC and went to the Great Midwest (along with DePaul, Marquette, SLU and UC) while Xavier stayed in the MCC. Dayton had some real horrible teams at that time, although that was the handiwork of Jim O'Brien. And still Dayton drew solid crowds at that time; I have every reason to think they'll bring near capacity crowds should they be part of the new conference, be it as a charter member or as a future member down the road.

I was a little surprised when I heard that Xavier games were blacked out in Dayton; X has most of their games televised on Fox Sports Ohio throughout Ohio and parts of Kentucky/Indiana. Normally blackouts take place if Dayton or the Cavs or Blue Jackets (except this season) are on FSN-Ohio.

I agree with all of the points made here in regards to XU-UD. I don't think Xavier would even be in a position to block them. If the C7 wants (or whoever the TV execs want) team, they will get them.

After what Pete Thamel reported I think Dayton and Creighton are in. The big fight is for that last spot and St. Louis is in the lead to get it but I would rather have VCU.

I'd rather have Gonzaga or VCU over SLU but I know why people don't want Gonzaga. SLU has great new facilities but after doing more research on them, they really don't even own the Saint Louis market (behind Illinois and Missouri), have only made 1 tourney in the last 10 years, don't get much fan support (5-6K a game for a decent team in a new arena) and apparently alot of their fans don't even like the administrative leadership they currently have.

I know I don't belong here but just want to ask a question. Not trolling or aggravating. If the C7 is worth 3 mill with this lineup ,why could they have not reached this kind of deal with the BIG EAST teams of Temple,UCONN,Cinci, and Memphis .I understand Butler and VCU are good ,but not better than those four. What is done is done,not whinning just trying to figure out what is driving value in all this.

(12-23-2012 02:40 PM)FUB Wrote:  I know I don't belong here but just want to ask a question. Not trolling or aggravating. If the C7 is worth 3 mill with this lineup ,why could they have not reached this kind of deal with the BIG EAST teams of Temple,UCONN,Cinci, and Memphis .I understand Butler and VCU are good ,but not better than those four. What is done is done,not whinning just trying to figure out what is driving value in all this.

I think the C-7 presidents and ADs figured that, with Louisville gone, the money was the same ballpark with or without the NBE football schools. Louisville leaving was a tipping point--the new league was going to be a clear step below the ACC, probably below the Big Ten and SEC and maybe the Big XII (Kansas, Texas, West Virginia, Baylor, Texas Tech). We can do that on our own.

UConn is a powerhouse, and no disrespect to Cincy, Memphis or Temple--quality programs, we expected them to be assets to the league, but we can get comparable programs in Butler, Xavier and VCU, without the risk of them jumping to the ACC. And now, our league doesn't get turned upside down every time a football-driven shift happens. Which took what, about two weeks after we left?

And that's the first reference or mention on this board to what's going on. You know.

(12-22-2012 12:44 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Pete Thamel reporting that we can make between 2 and 3 million and 3 is looking more likely than 2. The kicker is who he says will be paying us...FOX!!!!

Everyone, myself included thought that ESPN had it's fingerprints all over this move and apparently it wasn't them but Fox! Looks like Murdoch is using the same formula that ESPN used when they started. Load up on Big East BBall and use that as a bedrock to get folks to tune in to your new channel.

He also says that Butler and Xavier are definite and Creighton and Dayton are near definite. He says the last spot is between St. Louis and VCU.

We could start play next season but things need to move quick for that.

http://m.si.com/627787/whats-next-for-ca...-big-east/

Not that anyone except maybe Marquette fans care but this would be a significant upgrade to Volleyball also. Creighton and Dayton are top 25 teams and Xavier is a top 50 RPI team. If they went 12 the west would be ridiculously tough.

(12-22-2012 11:50 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  One thing to remember this isnt just about BB. College Presidents take other things into account such as academics and overall olympic programs. Doesnt really make choices much easier since all the candidates have good reps.

And travel costs which makes Dayton a lock as they are a bus ride from Marquette, DePaul, Butler and Xavier. Plus they have a strong overall program.

(12-23-2012 02:40 PM)FUB Wrote:  I know I don't belong here but just want to ask a question. Not trolling or aggravating. If the C7 is worth 3 mill with this lineup ,why could they have not reached this kind of deal with the BIG EAST teams of Temple,UCONN,Cinci, and Memphis .I understand Butler and VCU are good ,but not better than those four. What is done is done,not whinning just trying to figure out what is driving value in all this.

I think there's a stability premium in the valuation from the network's POV here also. I think the C7+ league has a much better chance of remaining the same or higher value if further realignment takes place over the life of the deal than if in the nnnnBE. Making the league attractive as "realignment insurance". Probably part of the appeal that the nA-10 seemed to have to the Barclays arena.

Instability or even perceived instability is a huge drain on confefernce value.

(12-23-2012 09:18 AM)X-band 01 Wrote:  Xavier and Dayton fanbases definitely don't like each other, although I suspect this is more of an internet rivalry than you'd see in real life. There's a lot more bad blood between Xavier and UC fans, although I'm not going to reopen that can of worms (last Wednesday notwithstanding).

I'm not in the know as far as the Xavier and UD administrations, although I have a feeling that there is more camaraderie between the two. It's not like the early 90s when UD bolted out of the MCC and went to the Great Midwest (along with DePaul, Marquette, SLU and UC) while Xavier stayed in the MCC.

I'd feel pretty solid on an assumption that UD/XU are on the exact same page administratively. I'd be willing to bet they've probably cast identical votes on every A-10 issue (aside from "Should we hold this conference tourney in Dayton or Cincinnati?" votes).

In the early 2000s, both were against the A-10's OOC schedule policy and tried to convince everyone else they were right. After two one-bid seasons for the A-10, they were proven correct. Now La Salle and Duquesne schedule like Dayton (Xavier's principles are the same, but tougher teams fit their criteria they look like they're doing something radically different, but they're really not).