(12-21-2012 10:14 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  Sorry if already posted, I didn't see it anywhere. Anyway, sht just got real.

http://m.si.com/627787/whats-next-for-ca...-big-east/

And everyone laughed when I said 3 mil a year. You...all...laughed!

Good call CalallenStang.

(12-21-2012 11:51 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Right now, the MWC has 10 for football and 9 for all sports (Hawaii is football only). Could this be their plan?

All sport adds:
Cincy (or Tulsa)
Memphis
Houston
SMU
Boise
SDSU

Nonfootball add:
BYU (with a football scheduling agreement like Notre Dame/ACC)

Voila. 16 for football and basketball.

And maybe also add Gonzaga and Creighton for 18 in hoops.

This makes no sense. Why would Cincy add another layer of exit fees while they are a team-in-waiting for the ACC? Nothing is permanent for the Gang of 5, we're all waiting for our ship to come in. I can't speak for Memphis, but I'd bet they would be happier with Cincy, UCONN, and Temple on the basketball schedule while it's still going. Houston and SMU had better get used to not going to class on Mondays. Flying to Boise and most every MWC school means a post night game flight leaves past midnight, plane landing at day break, back in the dorm at 8:00 am, sleep all day from jet lag, go to Sunday practice tired, and sleep all day Monday instead of study hall. This will be the schedule for all games except SMU.

USM and Tulsa will be added to the BE and makes some travel sense out of this fiasco. The big TV bucks are out of the question for either the MWC or BE now. The TV execs have manipulated this to make sure this happened.

(12-21-2012 10:27 PM)TigerLogic Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:25 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  It's the coogs

Houston is non-western?

That was my immediate thought, but Texas may not be considered western. Especially from a MWC perspective. Just like the state of OH, KY and TN may not be considered eastern. Especially from a east coast perspective.

It very well could be SMU or Houston.

(12-22-2012 10:09 AM)rferry Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:27 PM)TigerLogic Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:25 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  It's the coogs

Houston is non-western?

That was my immediate thought, but Texas may not be considered western. Especially from a MWC perspective. Just like the state of OH, KY and TN may not be considered eastern. Especially from a east coast perspective.

It very well could be SMU or Houston.

Just basing on that since it says "non-western Big East School" and not "non-western MWC school." I would say that currently Houston is a "western Big East School"

I know, semantics... we'll probably know soon enough.

(12-22-2012 10:51 AM)TigerLogic Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 10:09 AM)rferry Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:27 PM)TigerLogic Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:25 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  It's the coogs

Houston is non-western?

That was my immediate thought, but Texas may not be considered western. Especially from a MWC perspective. Just like the state of OH, KY and TN may not be considered eastern. Especially from a east coast perspective.

It very well could be SMU or Houston.

Just basing on that since it says "non-western Big East School" and not "non-western MWC school." I would say that currently Houston is a "western Big East School"

I know, semantics... we'll probably know soon enough.

And I guarantee that we've spent more time parsing it than he spent writing that sentence.

(12-21-2012 10:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I'm going to take a guess and say it's Memphis. They make sense in some ways, trying to erode the BE basketball- leaving really only Temple- if UConn and Cincy go.....

MWC doesn't need Memphis BB and Memphis FB sucks to no end. It is obviously Houston and MWC probably doesn't want SMU either.

(12-22-2012 11:11 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I'm going to take a guess and say it's Memphis. They make sense in some ways, trying to erode the BE basketball- leaving really only Temple- if UConn and Cincy go.....

MWC doesn't need Memphis BB and Memphis FB sucks to no end. It is obviously Houston and MWC probably doesn't want SMU either.

Depends on BYU, which the restructured MWC TV deal is extremely nice to. MWC is currently at 10, add BSU/SDSU that's 12. Houston/BYU or Houston/SMU. I could see it happening.

(12-22-2012 11:29 AM)BSUFiend Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 11:11 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I'm going to take a guess and say it's Memphis. They make sense in some ways, trying to erode the BE basketball- leaving really only Temple- if UConn and Cincy go.....

MWC doesn't need Memphis BB and Memphis FB sucks to no end. It is obviously Houston and MWC probably doesn't want SMU either.

Depends on BYU, which the restructured MWC TV deal is extremely nice to. MWC is currently at 10, add BSU/SDSU that's 12. Houston/BYU or Houston/SMU. I could see it happening.

The CBS restructure TV deal is not as nice as they make it out to be. You will be able to resale games not chosen by CBS. BYU will not go for that because they know their games will be picked up by CBS. They will not join the MWC or BE unless they are allowed to keep their ESPN tv deal

(12-22-2012 11:31 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 11:29 AM)BSUFiend Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 11:11 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I'm going to take a guess and say it's Memphis. They make sense in some ways, trying to erode the BE basketball- leaving really only Temple- if UConn and Cincy go.....

MWC doesn't need Memphis BB and Memphis FB sucks to no end. It is obviously Houston and MWC probably doesn't want SMU either.

Depends on BYU, which the restructured MWC TV deal is extremely nice to. MWC is currently at 10, add BSU/SDSU that's 12. Houston/BYU or Houston/SMU. I could see it happening.

The CBS restructure TV deal is not as nice as they make it out to be. You will be able to resale games not chosen by CBS. BYU will not go for that because they know their games will be picked up by CBS. They will not join the MWC or BE unless they are allowed to keep their ESPN tv deal

Correct unless BYU can control home games, which I'm not sure they can with what CBS is offering

(12-22-2012 11:33 AM)BSUFiend Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 11:31 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 11:29 AM)BSUFiend Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 11:11 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I'm going to take a guess and say it's Memphis. They make sense in some ways, trying to erode the BE basketball- leaving really only Temple- if UConn and Cincy go.....

MWC doesn't need Memphis BB and Memphis FB sucks to no end. It is obviously Houston and MWC probably doesn't want SMU either.

Depends on BYU, which the restructured MWC TV deal is extremely nice to. MWC is currently at 10, add BSU/SDSU that's 12. Houston/BYU or Houston/SMU. I could see it happening.

The CBS restructure TV deal is not as nice as they make it out to be. You will be able to resale games not chosen by CBS. BYU will not go for that because they know their games will be picked up by CBS. They will not join the MWC or BE unless they are allowed to keep their ESPN tv deal

Correct unless BYU can control home games, which I'm not sure they can with what CBS is offering

That's we're the BYU to MWC does not fly. If I'm Aresco I let BYU keep its ESPN home game deal as part of joining but their away conference games go into the league deal which they will get no money from. I think a deal like that could bring them in for all sports. You can add Gonzaga as the mirror for Navy since they are joining for football only.

Memphis football began rebuilding this season and was 4-4 in CUSA. They had three horrible seasons before that . However, before those three seasons they were in five bowls over the previous six seasons. We are by no means a football power, but we don't 'suck to no end'.

(12-22-2012 11:11 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I'm going to take a guess and say it's Memphis. They make sense in some ways, trying to erode the BE basketball- leaving really only Temple- if UConn and Cincy go.....

MWC doesn't need Memphis BB and Memphis FB sucks to no end. It is obviously Houston and MWC probably doesn't want SMU either.

If they really mean non-western, then from my perspective it may be a feeler to Cincy to see if they want a football only invite so they can join the C7 conference. If that happens then look to see if UConn get a MAC fb only invite to pair up with UMass and UConn can be in the C7 conference also.

Also--if they have BYU and Boise State, that's 12, and they probably want the San Diego/ghost of Southern California market, so that's 13.

Navy for football-only gives you 14(12 all-sports), which puts Boise in the Pacific with the 3 California and 2 Nevada schools, probably good for their recruiting.

UConn football in the MAC? Dude I know the MAC had a great year but that would be seeing as step backwards for UConn football and you gotta remember the Huskies are jockeying to move up, going to the MAC would not be good PR move for them at all

(12-22-2012 12:19 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  UConn football in the MAC? Dude I know the MAC had a great year but that would be seeing as step backwards for UConn football and you gotta remember the Huskies are jockeying to move up, going to the MAC would not be good PR move for them at all

UConn is in a conference that is part of the group of 5 regardless. The decision is if they can join their more popular and national basketball brand in the C7 conference it may be better for them than staying in the current conference. UConn is a basketball school, they need to decide which is best, playing with the C7 conference or the current one with all the other new schools coming in?

In addition: UConn has only been playing FBS football since 2004, so its not like they were in any other major conference before in football.

Dude!

(12-21-2012 10:43 PM)Yoda Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:33 PM)Mtown_Tiger Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:30 PM)Yoda Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I'm going to take a guess and say it's Memphis. They make sense in some ways, trying to erode the BE basketball- leaving really only Temple- if UConn and Cincy go.....

Not a prayer in hell. The MWC is trying to build a football conference -- not a basketball conference. I'd guess Cincy and UConn for football only.

Yoda out...

You're a dumb*** if you think UConn and Cincy would do that. Besides, they'd go indy before going to a conference closer to the Middle East than they are.

That's the part you are missing -- it would allow them to join the C7. In order to do it, the MWC would have to waive exit penalties and long notice requirements if they are invited to join one of the top 5 conferences. Give them that, a better home for football and C7 membership and I'm not as dumb as you think.

Would they leave? Hell yeah, as soon as they could. But the nBE would have backfilled with more C-USA members and wouldn't be strong enough to fend off the MWC if they went after someone else to replace those two schools.

Yoda out...

My guess is Cinci could withdraw with the C7 and put their football football only in the MWC. That would mean with Boise, Hawaii and Cinci the MWC would have all the former BCS schools in the conference. Also opens up the door for SDSU which Boise and Fresno might require.

It could look as follows:

SDSU
Fresno
UNLV
Reno
Boise
Utah State
San Jose State
BYU
Hawaii (football only)

Wyoming
Colorado State
New Mexico
Air Force
UTEP
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
Cinci (football only)

(12-21-2012 10:48 PM)Yoda Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:44 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:35 PM)TigerLogic Wrote:  Cincy for all sports is my guess.

No way...Clearly it would be Houston.

I don't think so. Cincinnati and UConn for football only (on top of SDSU & BSU) would just about be a death knell for the nBE. You'd have to back fill with C-USA schools which would make it impossible for you to challenge the MWC again.

If they go after Cincy and UConn, then they can circle back around and pick up Houston any time they want.

Yoda out...

UConn Really? Hurts nBE to lose UConn more? Than which school? Tulane? Memphis? Maybe those two. UConn brings good basketball, but I think you're really out there putting UConn on a par with Cincy, and ahead of UCF, USF, UH, and even SMU in football. And this ALL about football.

(12-21-2012 10:43 PM)Yoda Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:33 PM)Mtown_Tiger Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:30 PM)Yoda Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I'm going to take a guess and say it's Memphis. They make sense in some ways, trying to erode the BE basketball- leaving really only Temple- if UConn and Cincy go.....

Not a prayer in hell. The MWC is trying to build a football conference -- not a basketball conference. I'd guess Cincy and UConn for football only.

Yoda out...

You're a dumb*** if you think UConn and Cincy would do that. Besides, they'd go indy before going to a conference closer to the Middle East than they are.

That's the part you are missing -- it would allow them to join the C7. In order to do it, the MWC would have to waive exit penalties and long notice requirements if they are invited to join one of the top 5 conferences. Give them that, a better home for football and C7 membership and I'm not as dumb as you think.

Would they leave? Hell yeah, as soon as they could. But the nBE would have backfilled with more C-USA members and wouldn't be strong enough to fend off the MWC if they went after someone else to replace those two schools.

Yoda out...

What yor missing is Cincy and UConn are two of the most powerful players among the realignment pieces in play (along with Boise and BYU) and aren't likely to accept some spllt deal so they can remain under the thumb of Providence.

I'm seeing some absolute fuckery in this thread. People just spitting our what they wish their conference looked like.