(12-20-2012 06:53 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  What I think that "School funds" for North Carolina schools are from the out-of-state tuition waviers we gave to athletes (they were allowed to receive in-state tuition cost). It was recently repealed, so we won't receive that anymore.

It's all good PG. ECU is in a really good budget position. That whole topic created more emotional responses than I ever dreamed it would. ECU is on solid ground from a funding standpoint.

(12-20-2012 07:22 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 06:53 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  What I think that "School funds" for North Carolina schools are from the out-of-state tuition waviers we gave to athletes (they were allowed to receive in-state tuition cost). It was recently repealed, so we won't receive that anymore.

It's all good PG. ECU is in a really good budget position. That whole topic created more emotional responses than I ever dreamed it would. ECU is on solid ground from a funding standpoint.

Thanks, my post was more of a talk it out, kind of thing. To make sure my reason makes sense to scrutiny.

(12-20-2012 06:06 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 05:51 PM)Fangdog Wrote:  . . .

For crying out loud are you really that stupid? You can't be can you?

Just do as you did with ECU. Do your own research instead of depending on a bunch of dummies like us. I have already told you the reason twice, but I guess the real reason is not what you wanted to hear, but you rather start sounding like an idiot. Beside, I have gotten to the point instead of thinking you were a pretty-cool guy to thinking I don't give a rats-azz what you think about Fresno.

You put everything on a "coach" . . . The sole reason answer to the original thread? . . . your inability to put 40-50,000 average fans in attendance; 4 loss in 5 bowl appearances; no conference championships for 13 years; etc. . . and as to the prospects for future success in the Big East, you offered nothing except, "we hired a new coach" . . .

Really? That's what you consider an answer to the original thread . . .that's the sum total of your defense of Fresno State among all of the available options as to how they will climb from where they are to a team that deserves to be tapped for the Big East? . . "We hired a new coach;" now shut up and take us; can't you see we are entitled? . . . Forgive me if I just believe that is void of a response . . .
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And forgive me if I'm come off as a bit of troll on this point, but I'm among a lot of people on this board who have just gotten tired of the "western flank" entitlement expressed by the Fresno State/Boise State/SDSU contingent . . . I personally want the best add for the Big East . . . I don't care if that is Fresno State, UNLV, UMass, UTSA, or the University of Monterrey . . .

You are clearly ignoring what many of us are saying. What part of we have reached the competitive level of these Universites over the years has you confused? As to the why we have lost 4 of the last 5 bowl games? Why not ask yourself why the other new adds weren't even in 5 bowl games during the same time frame? Ask yourself why Houston has a worse record than the 'Dogs since 2000 in a conference that is no better or maybe actually worse than the one Fresno State was in.

Fresno State HAS a stadium currently large enough for the Big East. It has a new basketball arena large enough for the the Big East. Its attendance over the last several years would finish in the top 5/6 of the new Big East. Clearly large enough or you should began booting half the members including your Coogs out. Why do they need to show a desire to build just to build. The dedication over the years already got that done.

The coach was not a bad hire and he was not a bad recruiter (clearly the talent on this team won the MWC), his offense had gotten stale and his defense never materialized like it should. He lost his best assistants every year to the bigger universities and kept the ones in over his head. He could not motivate in most of our opininions his players in games which he seemingly had the better talent. This was his undoing and he needed to go.

Fresno State has no problem recruiting as they have more drafted and players in the NFL than athe majority of the other non AQ's and probably some AQ's. They didn't need the big East for that and still won't.

As to why they could do even better in the Big East...They won't, they will recruit as they have and use the energy of the current coaching staff to get better every year.

To some it up, Fresno State does not need the Big East to get better, they need its rivals to keep our ticket revenue and donations up (which drives Fresno State athletics). If those are in the BE, thats where they should be, if it is the MWC, thats where they should be.

Anyone that thinks they will improve Just because they are in this new conference is fooling themselves and if you think potential improvement is the reason you are crazy. an additional 2 million dollars in TV revenue WILL NOT make these teams juggernauts.

Guess we will see whether SMU or FS has made bigger strides this season and who is reaching bigger heights on the field. See which one would be the better add, seeing bowl game w/l is the major decider.

(12-20-2012 09:24 PM)tommypm Wrote:  . . .
You are clearly ignoring what many of us are saying. What part of we have reached the competitive level of these Universities over the years has you confused?

. . .

Fresno State HAS a stadium currently large enough for the Big East. It has a new basketball arena large enough for the the Big East. Its attendance over the last several years would finish in the top 5/6 of the new Big East. Clearly large enough or you should began booting half the members including your Coogs out. Why do they need to show a desire to build just to build. The dedication over the years already got that done. . .

I'm not ignoring your contention . . . I just don't accept it as reality. . . and I don't think anyone in the national media, network executives, or casual sports fan believes it either based on objective criteria of measuring overall success: national cache, national media respect, conference championships, national rankings, bowl wins, etc . . . I think your point about NFL players is a good one, and the kind of thing I was looking for in the original post.

I guess, we can agree to disagree about the basic question here: why has Fresno State not already achieved the same successes Boise State, UConn, Cincinnati, USF, ECU on-the-field and/or in-the-stands . . . I think it is the starting point for evaluating who the next "western" school should be for the long-term stability of this conference. . . you, Yoda, and others think its a strawman argument . . .

I believe if Fresno State continues to take the position that: (1) the question ask is a strawman argument because Fresno State already is the equal of Boise State, UConn, Cincinnati, USF, ECU on-the-field and/or in-the-stands, and (2) it doesn't really "need" the Big East "eastern" group of UConn, Cincinnati, USF, ECU and the other additions to improve on those metrics above and be counted among the top 2-4 teams in the conference . . . I will not be surprised to see Fresno State passed over for a UNLV, New Mexico, etc. who address their pasts head on and make a compelling case for how they will improve their futures because of a Big East invite . . .

2012 BIG EAST AVERAGE ATTENDANCE:
(Percentage of increase from 2011 to 2012)
1. East Carolina 47,013 (-6 percent)
2. South Florida 44,130 (-1 percent)
3. Connecticut 34,672 (-5 percent)
4. Boise State 35,404 (+4 percent)
5. UCF 34,608 (+1 percent)
6. Navy 32,363 (-6 percent)
7. Fresno State 30,915 (+6%)
8. San Diego State 30,227 (-24 percent)
9. Cincinnati 29,138 (-10 percent)
10. Houston 27,247 (-14 percent)
11. Temple 26,580 (-5 percent)
12. Memphis 24,371 (+21 percent)
13. SMU 21,292 (+2 percent)
14. Tulane 18,085 (-8 percent)
* In 2011, Fresno State would have finished ranked 11th of 14 teams in Big East attendance; albeit by a slim margin . . .

In addition to fairly comparable attendance to the other new Big East additions, I have seen nothing to suggest otherwise that:
* Fresno is substantially behind ECU and USF in-the-stands success and unless it does something different appears to have plateaued in the low 30,000 attendance average;
* Fresno trails far behind the national cache of UConn and Cincinnati;
* Fresno trails far behind Boise State, UConn, Cincinnati in national media respect;
* Fresno State trails far behind in the national media perception that Fresno State as a valuable media property equal to Boise State, Cincinnati, or UConn (and other new adds like Temple, Houston, etc.);
* Boise State's on-the-field superiority is not seriously questioned, I think . . . Cincinnati has been Big East Co-Champion in 4 of the last 7 years, played in 2 BCS bowls, and won 5 of its last 7 bowl games. . . UConn has won Big East Championships in 2007 and 2010; appeared in 1 BCS Bowl game, and won 3 of its last 5 bowl games. . . Fresno State just doesn't put up this kind of comparison that the national media and casual fan will consider important.

(12-21-2012 03:42 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  * Fresno State trails far behind in the national media perception that Fresno State as a valuable media property equal to Boise State, Cincinnati, or UConn (and other new adds like Temple, Houston, etc.);
* Boise State's on-the-field superiority is not seriously questioned, I think . . . Cincinnati has been Big East Co-Champion in 4 of the last 7 years, played in 2 BCS bowels, and won 5 of its last 7 bowl games. . . UConn has won Big East Championships in 2007 and 2010; appeared in 1 BCS Bowl game, and won 3 of its last 5 bowl games. . . Fresno State just doesn't put up this kind of comparison that the national media and casual fan will consider important.

BCS bowels? That sounds gross.

Anyway...... ask anybody over the age of 30 and they can debunk a lot of the garbage you keep spewing about Fresno State. Fresno was beating the big boys before UConn ever dreamed of moving up from D1AA.

It's laughable that you're throwing Temple & Uconn's name in the hat as a better football media property than Fresno.

The inflated USF attendance numbers were pretty funny too.

(12-21-2012 04:15 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  . . . It's laughable that you're throwing Temple & Uconn's name in the hat as a better football media property than Fresno.

I can tell you keep up-to-date on this kind of stuff . . . but for everyone else who isn't . . . http://insider.espn.go.com/college-footb...e-football . . . don't shoot the messenger . . . feel free to laugh at the most powerful voice in college sports . . . ESPiN . . . they are the ones that put out there that Fresno State is not considered a Top 5 realignment free agents and rank somewhere below . . . Temple . . .

No. 1 - BYU
No. 2 - Houston
No. 3 - Cincinnati
No. 4 - Boise State
No. 5 - Temple

(12-21-2012 04:15 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Anyway...... ask anybody over the age of 30 and they can debunk a lot of the garbage you keep spewing about Fresno State. Fresno was beating the big boys before UConn ever dreamed of moving up from D1AA.

I remember reading my Sports Illustrateds as a kid, and remember Fresno STate going to California Bowls it seemed like every year. But, take it from a St Johns fan, the 1980s are a long, long time ago. And Fresno ain't NYC.

Quote:It's laughable that you're throwing Temple & Uconn's name in the hat as a better football media property than Fresno.

Temple I can't make a case for. But UConn? UConn is the dominant college sports brand in their state. UConn basketball laid the foundation for UConn to build its football into a near-AQ quality program. UConn women's BB gets $1M a year from local TV. Women's basketball!

I half joke that the football program was founded by going around to sports bars, and selling season tickets to anyone they found in a combination of Giants/PAtriots and UConn Huskies gear. It worked, though.

Now I'm not a Fresno basher--I think that Aresco should sign Fresno football only and get a media contract before the house caves in any further, which he's risking if he doubles down on trying to put together a western all-sports division. (Or send feelers out to NAvy to determine how committed they are to the project.)

I was talking football. Obviously UConn carries their weight and then some in hoops. Point being we're looking for a football program here. I happen to think the best option is Fresno FB only right now. They'd probably gladly put baseball in the Big West.

(12-21-2012 05:46 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  I was talking football. Obviously UConn carries their weight and then some in hoops. Point being we're looking for a football program here. I happen to think the best option is Fresno FB only right now. They'd probably gladly put baseball in the Big West.

Nationally, they both mean little to nothing in football. But, in 1.33% or so of the nation that is CT, UConn is formidable. CT > Fresno market, even defined as the whole Valey.