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(12-07-2012 02:59 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-07-2012 02:40 PM)mrbig Wrote:  I imagine at least part of this is a reflection of the different channels the different conference games are primarily shown on. SEC mostly on CBS and ESPN. Big 12 mostly Fox & ABC. Meanwhile CUSA mostly relegated to FSS and CSNH, basically channels you have to be purposefully searching for.

Well, the Astros and Rockets are on CSN Houston, so I'm pretty sure Houston sports fans would check it when looking for a game to watch. Fox Sports Southwest used to be Fox Sports Houston, which used to have the Astros and Rockets. So, not an excuse. It's not like either channel is some obscure thing that people don't have on their cable systems, or is tucked away somewhere between Filipino soap operas and QVC.

Actually Fox Southwest & Fox Houston were 2 different channels. FSS was shown in other areas of the state and FS Houston was for Houston only. FS Houston went away when Comcast came on board. If I'm not mistaken, you can get FSS in the Houston area.
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I live in Dallas, but I have always heard that Houston is a much bigger Aggie town than it is a Longhorn town. The highest rated A&M games are higher rated than the highest UT games, but UT consistently has more viewers. The two aggie games that had higher ratings than any of the UT games were the game against the #1 team in the country and their first game in the SEC. I am interested to see how this unfolds next year. Also note that these numbers take into account TAMU's best season in about a decade and one of UTs in a string of bad seasons.

2012 SEC
A&M-Ala CBS 9.6
UF-A&M ESPN 7.1
Miz-A&M ESPN2 3.94
A&M-MSU ESPN 3.5

2012 Big 12
UT-OU ABC 6.2
UT-Okla St FOX 6.2
UT-K-State ABC 6.11
WVU-UT FOX 5.7
Bay-UT ABC 5.6
UT-Tech ABC 5.4
TCU-UT ESPN 2.2
UT-Kansas FSS 0.6
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(12-07-2012 02:58 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  
(12-07-2012 02:46 PM)kmcc505 Wrote:  Can you imagine the UH trolling possibilites if jml2010 and tallgrass would simply combine their efforts? Bravo!

How is posting TV ratings trolling?

How isn't it?

I agree that exposure as a "National" game or the fact that one is on the Disney family of networks and CBS would help with ratings. FSS coverage and availability is quite a bit smaller to start with. Isn't this why TV negotiations and realignment is going on?

If I were to post the over all Win-Loss UH versus TTech wouldn't that be trolling or just stating the facts. I guess the difference is, what is your point? Again and again.

Can't Tech be happy and UH be happy?
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What can I say, Texans love being able to cheer for their very own SEC team and having a horse in that race.

Even the t-shirt fans who used to root exclusively for whorn in the B12 now have maroon shirts too so they can root for their Fighting Texas Aggies in the SEC.
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(12-07-2012 05:33 PM)MattofNazareth Wrote:  
(12-07-2012 02:58 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  
(12-07-2012 02:46 PM)kmcc505 Wrote:  Can you imagine the UH trolling possibilites if jml2010 and tallgrass would simply combine their efforts? Bravo!

How is posting TV ratings trolling?

How isn't it?

I agree that exposure as a "National" game or the fact that one is on the Disney family of networks and CBS would help with ratings. FSS coverage and availability is quite a bit smaller to start with. Isn't this why TV negotiations and realignment is going on?

If I were to post the over all Win-Loss UH versus TTech wouldn't that be trolling or just stating the facts. I guess the difference is, what is your point? Again and again.

Can't Tech be happy and UH be happy?

With the exception of poor coaching from tubby, I'm happy. Tech has decent TV ratings in Houston. You can post the win/loss record for Tech-UH all you want, it is what it is. Just like the TV ratings that show we do well in Houston, it is what it is.
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(12-07-2012 05:33 PM)MattofNazareth Wrote:  
(12-07-2012 02:58 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  
(12-07-2012 02:46 PM)kmcc505 Wrote:  Can you imagine the UH trolling possibilites if jml2010 and tallgrass would simply combine their efforts? Bravo!

How is posting TV ratings trolling?

How isn't it?

I agree that exposure as a "National" game or the fact that one is on the Disney family of networks and CBS would help with ratings. FSS coverage and availability is quite a bit smaller to start with. Isn't this why TV negotiations and realignment is going on?

If I were to post the over all Win-Loss UH versus TTech wouldn't that be trolling or just stating the facts. I guess the difference is, what is your point? Again and again.

Can't Tech be happy and UH be happy?

In a way, I figure jml2010 is trolling, because I have the impression his main goal is to tick off UH fans/rub their noses in it.

But he has the facts, so I give him a complete pass on that.
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(12-07-2012 05:53 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  In a way, I figure jml2010 is trolling, because I have the impression his main goal is to tick off UH fans/rub their noses in it.

But he has the facts, so I give him a complete pass on that.

Not trolling at all. Recent expansion has been about TV markets and I read all the time how Tech doesn't do well in Houston. Our Chancellor had a study done that showed we do well in several markets across the Big 12. The info from the Houston newspaper backs that up. If certain fans get bent out of shape because it shows something they don't want to see, so be it.

Most of these "upset" fans had no problem posting ratings from last season.
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(12-07-2012 05:59 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  
(12-07-2012 05:53 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  In a way, I figure jml2010 is trolling, because I have the impression his main goal is to tick off UH fans/rub their noses in it.

But he has the facts, so I give him a complete pass on that.

Not trolling at all. Recent expansion has been about TV markets and I read all the time how Tech doesn't do well in Houston. Our Chancellor had a study done that showed we do well in several markets across the Big 12. The info from the Houston newspaper backs that up. If certain fans get bent out of shape because it shows something they don't want to see, so be it.

Most of these "upset" fans had no problem posting ratings from last season.

The only thing I would point out is it is clear the regional channels cant draw much of an audience no matter who they have. For instance, the highest ranked FSS telecast was a Tech vs Oklahoma game that scored 1.16. Thats only about a quarter of what most Tech games score.
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Again, what these "numbers" show is the television contract has to focus on guaranteed game times on national network/cable or regional network. . . UH will probably never overtake A&M, but it doesn't have to, it just needs to put up 4.0 - 5.0 regularly . . but until UH gets on NBC, ABC, or CBS, it will not put up numbers like those . . Without understanding all the other factors that effected game times on Fox Sports Southwest or the like, comparing these numbers here is meaningless. For example, the UH v SMU on Thursday night sucked for everyone. In the future, this will be an 11 am or 3 pm Saturday game on NBC or a 7 pm game Saturday on NBCSports and will be over a 4.0.

* And can you cite one post where any UH fan here has said Texas Tech doesn't draw ratings in Houston when you play UH or a Big XII opponent?
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(12-08-2012 06:55 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  Again, what these "numbers" show is the television contract has to focus on guaranteed game times on national network/cable or regional network. . . UH will probably never overtake A&M, but it doesn't have to, it just needs to put up 4.0 - 5.0 regularly . . but until UH gets on NBC, ABC, or CBS, it will not put up numbers like those . . Without understanding all the other factors that effected game times on Fox Sports Southwest or the like, comparing these numbers here is meaningless. For example, the UH v SMU on Thursday night sucked for everyone. In the future, this will be an 11 am or 3 pm Saturday game on NBC or a 7 pm game Saturday on NBCSports and will be over a 4.0.

* And can you cite one post where any UH fan here has said Texas Tech doesn't draw ratings in Houston when you play UH or a Big XII opponent?

No, what these numbers show is that UH has been dramatically oversold as a draw in Houston. UH-Rice pulled the same as SMU-Rice. You got owned by KU-Tech (0.5) and OU-Baylor(0.4). You had 3 games that beat KU-OU(0.3). Not to mention the games that were on national channels.

Having UH vs SMU up against the NFL on Thursday night is tough, no question. But so is having it on NBC Sportsnet up against Mizzou-Tennessee and Virginia Tech-NC State on ESPN and ESPN 2. I picked those because you're not going to have an easier Saturday timeslot than that.
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(12-08-2012 07:08 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-08-2012 06:55 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  Again, what these "numbers" show is the television contract has to focus on guaranteed game times on national network/cable or regional network. . . UH will probably never overtake A&M, but it doesn't have to, it just needs to put up 4.0 - 5.0 regularly . . but until UH gets on NBC, ABC, or CBS, it will not put up numbers like those . . Without understanding all the other factors that effected game times on Fox Sports Southwest or the like, comparing these numbers here is meaningless. For example, the UH v SMU on Thursday night sucked for everyone. In the future, this will be an 11 am or 3 pm Saturday game on NBC or a 7 pm game Saturday on NBCSports and will be over a 4.0.

* And can you cite one post where any UH fan here has said Texas Tech doesn't draw ratings in Houston when you play UH or a Big XII opponent?

No, what these numbers show is that UH has been dramatically oversold as a draw in Houston. UH-Rice pulled the same as SMU-Rice. You got owned by KU-Tech (0.5) and OU-Baylor(0.4). You had 3 games that beat KU-OU(0.3). Not to mention the games that were on national channels.

Having UH vs SMU up against the NFL on Thursday night is tough, no question. But so is having it on NBC Sportsnet up against Mizzou-Tennessee and Virginia Tech-NC State on ESPN and ESPN 2. I picked those because you're not going to have an easier Saturday timeslot than that.

Rather than argue with you about why you are not comparing apples to apples, I will wait until we see how the Big East and UH draws with a TV partner that actually promotes the Big East and UH in the Houston market with quality game times. . . and to be clear, we don't need to beat Texas and A&M, we just need to put up solid numbers that justify a Big East TV deal in the $8-10 million range not numbers to support a $20-30 million deal. . . Is this really this hard to understand. . .
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(12-08-2012 07:46 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  
(12-08-2012 07:08 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-08-2012 06:55 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  Again, what these "numbers" show is the television contract has to focus on guaranteed game times on national network/cable or regional network. . . UH will probably never overtake A&M, but it doesn't have to, it just needs to put up 4.0 - 5.0 regularly . . but until UH gets on NBC, ABC, or CBS, it will not put up numbers like those . . Without understanding all the other factors that effected game times on Fox Sports Southwest or the like, comparing these numbers here is meaningless. For example, the UH v SMU on Thursday night sucked for everyone. In the future, this will be an 11 am or 3 pm Saturday game on NBC or a 7 pm game Saturday on NBCSports and will be over a 4.0.

* And can you cite one post where any UH fan here has said Texas Tech doesn't draw ratings in Houston when you play UH or a Big XII opponent?

No, what these numbers show is that UH has been dramatically oversold as a draw in Houston. UH-Rice pulled the same as SMU-Rice. You got owned by KU-Tech (0.5) and OU-Baylor(0.4). You had 3 games that beat KU-OU(0.3). Not to mention the games that were on national channels.

Having UH vs SMU up against the NFL on Thursday night is tough, no question. But so is having it on NBC Sportsnet up against Mizzou-Tennessee and Virginia Tech-NC State on ESPN and ESPN 2. I picked those because you're not going to have an easier Saturday timeslot than that.

Rather than argue with you about why you are not comparing apples to apples, I will wait until we see how the Big East and UH draws with a TV partner that actually promotes the Big East and UH in the Houston market with quality game times. . . and to be clear, we don't need to beat Texas and A&M, we just need to put up solid numbers that justify a Big East TV deal in the $8-10 million range not numbers to support a $20-30 million deal. . . Is this really this hard to understand. . .

To belabor the obvious, University of Houston is in Houston. UH's fanbase is in Houston. If UH can't deliver TV ratings in Houston that beat Tech, OU and KU--if the Cougars are a blip on the Houston TV radar--then UH is pretty worthless to the football TV package. Because I guarantee that noone OUTSIDE the Houston metro area cares a flying fig.

CSN Houston and Fox Sports Houston put these games on in less attractive timeslots than their Big 12 games? That's not going to change with a Big East label. You'll still be playing SMU and Tulane and ECU and Memphis. The Big 12 will still be the Big 12.

"we just need to put up solid numbers that justify a Big East TV deal"

And you didn't.
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You either don't understand how it works, or you just want to argue. . . no question UH and every other Big East team competing against a SEC, BIG, etc. team in the same market gets crappy times and channels and almost no marketing of the games. . . The final totals are a reflection of this . . .That is why this contract will include guarantees of prime time slots on Saturday afternoon, night, etc. . . It is the fundamental reason why Aresco Walked away from ESPN in pursuit of a "television partner" and not just a contract . . cry in your milk all you want, but Aresco is fine selling these numbers given how much the deck has been stacked against UH, SMU, Cincinnati, UCOnn, USF,etc. . . If he isn't worried, I am not worried. . .
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(12-08-2012 08:19 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  You either don't understand how it works, or you just want to argue. . . no question UH and every other Big East team competing against a SEC, BIG, etc. team in the same market gets crappy times and channels and almost no marketing of the games. . . The final totals are a reflection of this . . .That is why this contract will include guarantees of prime time slots on Saturday afternoon, night, etc. . . It is the fundamental reason why Aresco Walked away from ESPN in pursuit of a "television partner" and not just a contract . . cry in your milk all you want, but Aresco is fine selling these numbers given how much the deck has been stacked against UH, SMU, Cincinnati, UCOnn, USF,etc. . . If he isn't worried, I am not worried. . .

So why is NBC going to give us a ton of money to show Houston Cougars football on Saturday at 3 pm or 6 pm, when they have every reason to expect the SEC game on ESPN and a Big 12 game on FoxSports1 to blow the Houston game out of the water--in Houston? If the Houston Cougars can't do a rating in Houston, what do you expect them to do in Atlanta, or Miami, or Seattle, or Chicago or Boston? Because in those places, the University of Houston Cougars might as well be the University of Maine Black Bears.

I had been pretty much told that UH was competitive in Houston with your old SWC mates. I was told wrong.

Shorter version: There's something wrong with these magic beans.
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(12-08-2012 08:43 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-08-2012 08:19 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  You either don't understand how it works, or you just want to argue. . . no question UH and every other Big East team competing against a SEC, BIG, etc. team in the same market gets crappy times and channels and almost no marketing of the games. . . The final totals are a reflection of this . . .That is why this contract will include guarantees of prime time slots on Saturday afternoon, night, etc. . . It is the fundamental reason why Aresco Walked away from ESPN in pursuit of a "television partner" and not just a contract . . cry in your milk all you want, but Aresco is fine selling these numbers given how much the deck has been stacked against UH, SMU, Cincinnati, UCOnn, USF,etc. . . If he isn't worried, I am not worried. . .

So why is NBC going to give us a ton of money to show Houston Cougars football on Saturday at 3 pm or 6 pm, when they have every reason to expect the SEC game on ESPN and a Big 12 game on FoxSports1 to blow the Houston game out of the water--in Houston? If the Houston Cougars can't do a rating in Houston, what do you expect them to do in Atlanta, or Miami, or Seattle, or Chicago or Boston? Because in those places, the University of Houston Cougars might as well be the University of Maine Black Bears.

I had been pretty much told that UH was competitive in Houston with your old SWC mates. I was told wrong.

Shorter version: There's something wrong with these magic beans.

You aren't comparing apples to apples . . This is an old ploy by our Big XII friends . . What is obvious, is that UH is not on network or ESPN. . Head-to-head on equal channels, UH has done fine . . . Certainly enough to carry its weight in Big East TV negotiations . . These numbers are common knowledge and consistent with prior years. . . You have not been oversold anything. . .
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(12-08-2012 08:43 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-08-2012 08:19 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  You either don't understand how it works, or you just want to argue. . . no question UH and every other Big East team competing against a SEC, BIG, etc. team in the same market gets crappy times and channels and almost no marketing of the games. . . The final totals are a reflection of this . . .That is why this contract will include guarantees of prime time slots on Saturday afternoon, night, etc. . . It is the fundamental reason why Aresco Walked away from ESPN in pursuit of a "television partner" and not just a contract . . cry in your milk all you want, but Aresco is fine selling these numbers given how much the deck has been stacked against UH, SMU, Cincinnati, UCOnn, USF,etc. . . If he isn't worried, I am not worried. . .

So why is NBC going to give us a ton of money to show Houston Cougars football on Saturday at 3 pm or 6 pm, when they have every reason to expect the SEC game on ESPN and a Big 12 game on FoxSports1 to blow the Houston game out of the water--in Houston? If the Houston Cougars can't do a rating in Houston, what do you expect them to do in Atlanta, or Miami, or Seattle, or Chicago or Boston? Because in those places, the University of Houston Cougars might as well be the University of Maine Black Bears.

I had been pretty much told that UH was competitive in Houston with your old SWC mates. I was told wrong.

Shorter version: There's something wrong with these magic beans.

UH is and always be competitive in Houston... And that's all I have to say about that.
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(12-08-2012 09:04 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  
(12-08-2012 08:43 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-08-2012 08:19 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  You either don't understand how it works, or you just want to argue. . . no question UH and every other Big East team competing against a SEC, BIG, etc. team in the same market gets crappy times and channels and almost no marketing of the games. . . The final totals are a reflection of this . . .That is why this contract will include guarantees of prime time slots on Saturday afternoon, night, etc. . . It is the fundamental reason why Aresco Walked away from ESPN in pursuit of a "television partner" and not just a contract . . cry in your milk all you want, but Aresco is fine selling these numbers given how much the deck has been stacked against UH, SMU, Cincinnati, UCOnn, USF,etc. . . If he isn't worried, I am not worried. . .

So why is NBC going to give us a ton of money to show Houston Cougars football on Saturday at 3 pm or 6 pm, when they have every reason to expect the SEC game on ESPN and a Big 12 game on FoxSports1 to blow the Houston game out of the water--in Houston? If the Houston Cougars can't do a rating in Houston, what do you expect them to do in Atlanta, or Miami, or Seattle, or Chicago or Boston? Because in those places, the University of Houston Cougars might as well be the University of Maine Black Bears.

I had been pretty much told that UH was competitive in Houston with your old SWC mates. I was told wrong.

Shorter version: There's something wrong with these magic beans.

You aren't comparing apples to apples . . This is an old ploy by our Big XII friends . . What is obvious, is that UH is not on network or ESPN. . Head-to-head on equal channels, UH has done fine . . . Certainly enough to carry its weight in Big East TV negotiations . . These numbers are common knowledge and consistent with prior years. . . You have not been oversold anything. . .

Average of HOU DMA ratings for KU, ISU, WVU in 2012 on FSN:
6 games averaging .48

Average of UH's 3 games on FSN in Houston's DMA: .34

Now to be fair UH did better in 2011 when they had an unbeaten regular season posting 2.8 vs both SMU and UCLA but it still isn't blowing people away considering the BCS buster potential driving it.
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