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What if the Cajuns do beat Florida and actually show up at Denton---I think we could have been maybe top 30--not sure---Any What ifs this year for you guys??? Bet they will start coming now!!!!
11-26-2012 10:16 PM
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(11-26-2012 10:16 PM)exflash Wrote:  What if the Cajuns do beat Florida and actually show up at Denton---I think we could have been maybe top 30--not sure---Any What ifs this year for you guys??? Bet they will start coming now!!!!

What if the stAte players were all packing fully charged tasers at Oregon? We might have kept it close.
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What if ASU had played next year's nonconference schedule (@ Auburn, @ Memphis, vs Idaho, vs UAPB) instead of this years. We might have been a top 20 team playing for that BCS berth instead of Kent State.
11-26-2012 10:49 PM
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What if WKU had scored one more time in each of our sun belt losses.....every team screwed themselves in their own ways this season ....I think there are three or four sun belt teams that could have made the top 25 with a few small things going in their favors
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McNeese & State
11-27-2012 12:11 AM
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(11-27-2012 12:11 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Two Words:

McNeese & State

I know I'm gonna get slaughtered over this, but McNeese is traditionally a damn good football team and I don't think it's as big a loss as it was made out to be. For perception's sake it's bad, but when looking at the quality of the team, they're a very good team.

I hope the lesson learned is that if you're not positive you're going to have a strong team from the onset, it's probably best not to schedule a top tier FCS opponent. There is literally NOTHING to gain by it. And this is coming from a guy who used to be on the other side of that argument and thought all the SBC teams were sissies for not scheduling WKU when we were 1AA....especially Middle.

I know this wasn't really on topic, but just wanted to throw that in.
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RE: What IFS
(11-27-2012 12:31 AM)LifetimeTopper Wrote:  
(11-27-2012 12:11 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Two Words:

McNeese & State

I know I'm gonna get slaughtered over this, but McNeese is traditionally a damn good football team and I don't think it's as big a loss as it was made out to be. For perception's sake it's bad, but when looking at the quality of the team, they're a very good team.

I hope the lesson learned is that if you're not positive you're going to have a strong team from the onset, it's probably best not to schedule a top tier FCS opponent. There is literally NOTHING to gain by it. And this is coming from a guy who used to be on the other side of that argument and thought all the SBC teams were sissies for not scheduling WKU when we were 1AA....especially Middle.

I know this wasn't really on topic, but just wanted to throw that in.

We had no choice after TSU left us high and dry.
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(11-27-2012 12:37 AM)Wardawg Wrote:  
(11-27-2012 12:31 AM)LifetimeTopper Wrote:  
(11-27-2012 12:11 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Two Words:

McNeese & State

I know I'm gonna get slaughtered over this, but McNeese is traditionally a damn good football team and I don't think it's as big a loss as it was made out to be. For perception's sake it's bad, but when looking at the quality of the team, they're a very good team.

I hope the lesson learned is that if you're not positive you're going to have a strong team from the onset, it's probably best not to schedule a top tier FCS opponent. There is literally NOTHING to gain by it. And this is coming from a guy who used to be on the other side of that argument and thought all the SBC teams were sissies for not scheduling WKU when we were 1AA....especially Middle.

I know this wasn't really on topic, but just wanted to throw that in.

We had no choice after TSU left us high and dry.

No choice or few choices? I understand the difficulty that TSU put you in, but I would think there would be a few easier options than McNeese. Of course, even TSU had a pretty good season in football, so even that could have blown up in your face...

Point being- no reason to risk potential embarrassment in what is supposed to be a guaranteed win. And while yes, we shouldn't have to have this conversation due to the *quality* difference in FCS and FBS, it still happens too regularly for it not to be taken into consideration.
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(11-27-2012 12:45 AM)LifetimeTopper Wrote:  
(11-27-2012 12:37 AM)Wardawg Wrote:  
(11-27-2012 12:31 AM)LifetimeTopper Wrote:  
(11-27-2012 12:11 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Two Words:

McNeese & State

I know I'm gonna get slaughtered over this, but McNeese is traditionally a damn good football team and I don't think it's as big a loss as it was made out to be. For perception's sake it's bad, but when looking at the quality of the team, they're a very good team.

I hope the lesson learned is that if you're not positive you're going to have a strong team from the onset, it's probably best not to schedule a top tier FCS opponent. There is literally NOTHING to gain by it. And this is coming from a guy who used to be on the other side of that argument and thought all the SBC teams were sissies for not scheduling WKU when we were 1AA....especially Middle.

I know this wasn't really on topic, but just wanted to throw that in.

We had no choice after TSU left us high and dry.

No choice or few choices? I understand the difficulty that TSU put you in, but I would think there would be a few easier options than McNeese. Of course, even TSU had a pretty good season in football, so even that could have blown up in your face...

Point being- no reason to risk potential embarrassment in what is supposed to be a guaranteed win. And while yes, we shouldn't have to have this conversation due to the *quality* difference in FCS and FBS, it still happens too regularly for it not to be taken into consideration.

The good thing is, without that loss, no way we are 8-3 at this point. I think the loss gave us a big 'ole gut-check-- and fortunately, we responded positively, no matter what happens in Jonesboro this weekend.

TSU screwed us at the last possible minute-- they never let us know-- ESPN alerted us after seeing TSU's schedule, which had a game on the same day. Their AD pretty much lied to us (on the "verbal" agreement). I guess we could have just played 11 games like Temple.
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RE: What IFS
(11-27-2012 12:31 AM)LifetimeTopper Wrote:  
(11-27-2012 12:11 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Two Words:

McNeese & State

I know I'm gonna get slaughtered over this, but McNeese is traditionally a damn good football team and I don't think it's as big a loss as it was made out to be. For perception's sake it's bad, but when looking at the quality of the team, they're a very good team.

I hope the lesson learned is that if you're not positive you're going to have a strong team from the onset, it's probably best not to schedule a top tier FCS opponent. There is literally NOTHING to gain by it. And this is coming from a guy who used to be on the other side of that argument and thought all the SBC teams were sissies for not scheduling WKU when we were 1AA....especially Middle.

I know this wasn't really on topic, but just wanted to throw that in.

I don't really disagree with what you're saying, in fact I wholeheartedly agree with you about if you're going to schedule FCS you need to go as soft as possible, a win over the FCS national champion looks no better than a win over a winless FCS team and so it should follow that a loss to the FCS national champion looks no better than a loss to an otherwise winless FCS team.

Having said all that, with the way we've played since that game, it's clear we should have beaten them, and honestly from the start of the fourth quarter of that game, it's clear we should have beaten them.

So knowing that, it's certainly a little easier to say "what if" regarding McNeese, than if we were like 3-8. But I have found myself wondering if the McNeese loss perhaps didn't help us as a wake up call, perhaps we wouldn't have come into Georgia Tech as hungry for a win, if we didn't feel like we were having to make up for a upset in week 1.

I'm not willing to say "what if" on any individual game yet...but IF we beat Arkansas State on Saturday and to be totally clear, I don't think we're going to, but IF we beat Arkansas State on Saturday, it will be a lot harder to not look back at McNeese and ULM to be honest, don't get me wrong, ULM with a 100% healthy Kolton Browing is a much better team and may have won the title outright, but I think lately Arkansas State is playing as well as the early ULM team was playing, so if we beat Arkansas State with how they're playing now, I'd feel confident in saying our team was probably good enough to beat McNeese and ULM and give Miss State a much better game and possibly be entering the bowl season at 11-1, with a close loss on the road against an SEC team. Again, to clarify, I don't think we're going to win on Saturday...and if we don't and we finish with a surprisingly good(following last season) record of 8-4(which would be Stock's second best regular season since his arrival) regardless of the outcome of the bowl game, I'd have no real regrets, no reason to look back and say "what if?" because we were clearly a piece or two away having dropped two conference games, but at the end of the day, we were probably better than even the most optimistic MT fans gave us credit for in the offseason and we bring back a lot of this team. That being the case, if we lose on Saturday, I'll turn the "what if?" game in a bit of a different direction and say "what if we hadn't beaten Troy?" I mean clearly, there was some kind of hold going on there, they beat us six consecutive seasons, but when you get to seven you have three consecutive classes of fifth year seniors who have never seen your team beat Troy...I think we were dangerously close to that streak getting out of hand, now we know that for at least four more seasons there will be at least one person who has seen their team beat Troy, that might sound a bit dramatic, or defeatest(like I expect Troy to take it back next year) but honestly, when your team goes on a losing streak like that, it's hard not to become a bit of a battered fan(which should be obvious by the way our fans were reluctant to pick us to win) so I honestly am already dreading the game next year, because regardless of whether or not Troy is the genuinely better team next season, if Troy beats us next year to get to 7 out of 8, there will definitely be people saying 2012 was a fluke, we very well could be the lesser team next season and maybe even be about to start our run of like four or five wins in a row one year later, but none of that will matter because for at least one year that win would be viewed as a fluke and I think until we string together a few, or go back and forth alternating wins for like four or five consecutive years, our wins over Troy will be viewed with come skepticism, by both fan bases and posters from other conference members. So I'm glad we got "the monkey off our back" so to speak, because it just means that we're one year closer to swinging this rivalry back in our direction or at least to the point where it's not completely one sided.
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What if stAte's Q. Lee wasn't suspended for the WKU game?
What if Jakes had not gotten hurt in that game?

stAte might be undefeated in conference.
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What IF TXST had a coach that actually knew how to call plays?

or

What IF TXST had a coach that could make halftime adjustments?

or

What IF TXST had a coach that knew a 2000's offense?
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(11-27-2012 12:45 AM)LifetimeTopper Wrote:  
(11-27-2012 12:37 AM)Wardawg Wrote:  
(11-27-2012 12:31 AM)LifetimeTopper Wrote:  
(11-27-2012 12:11 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Two Words:

McNeese & State

I know I'm gonna get slaughtered over this, but McNeese is traditionally a damn good football team and I don't think it's as big a loss as it was made out to be. For perception's sake it's bad, but when looking at the quality of the team, they're a very good team.

I hope the lesson learned is that if you're not positive you're going to have a strong team from the onset, it's probably best not to schedule a top tier FCS opponent. There is literally NOTHING to gain by it. And this is coming from a guy who used to be on the other side of that argument and thought all the SBC teams were sissies for not scheduling WKU when we were 1AA....especially Middle.

I know this wasn't really on topic, but just wanted to throw that in.

We had no choice after TSU left us high and dry.

No choice or few choices? I understand the difficulty that TSU put you in, but I would think there would be a few easier options than McNeese. Of course, even TSU had a pretty good season in football, so even that could have blown up in your face...

Point being- no reason to risk potential embarrassment in what is supposed to be a guaranteed win. And while yes, we shouldn't have to have this conversation due to the *quality* difference in FCS and FBS, it still happens too regularly for it not to be taken into consideration.

We were on the verge of playing AT Georgia State until the Mceese game opened up. I think that qualifies as no choice.
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What if they reviewed the last play of WKU - ULL?
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(11-27-2012 05:16 AM)CatMom Wrote:  What IF TXST had a coach that actually knew how to call plays?

or

What IF TXST had a coach that could make halftime adjustments?

or

What IF TXST had a coach that knew a 2000's offense?

You could have stopped after: "What if TX ST had a Coach . . ." 05-stirthepot
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(11-27-2012 12:31 AM)LifetimeTopper Wrote:  
(11-27-2012 12:11 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Two Words:

McNeese & State

I know I'm gonna get slaughtered over this, but McNeese is traditionally a damn good football team and I don't think it's as big a loss as it was made out to be. For perception's sake it's bad, but when looking at the quality of the team, they're a very good team.

I hope the lesson learned is that if you're not positive you're going to have a strong team from the onset, it's probably best not to schedule a top tier FCS opponent. There is literally NOTHING to gain by it. And this is coming from a guy who used to be on the other side of that argument and thought all the SBC teams were sissies for not scheduling WKU when we were 1AA....especially Middle.

I know this wasn't really on topic, but just wanted to throw that in.

Having recently been in the Southland (and after this past Saturday's loss, perhaps we can/should return), I totally agree with your McNeese take, they are tough year in and year out . . . used to feel especially good after a Bobcat Victory over those guys .. .
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(11-27-2012 12:45 AM)LifetimeTopper Wrote:  No choice or few choices? I understand the difficulty that TSU put you in, but I would think there would be a few easier options than McNeese. Of course, even TSU had a pretty good season in football, so even that could have blown up in your face...

Point being- no reason to risk potential embarrassment in what is supposed to be a guaranteed win. And while yes, we shouldn't have to have this conversation due to the *quality* difference in FCS and FBS, it still happens too regularly for it not to be taken into consideration.

Don't you think that an athletic director would think the same way? Especially our AD? I don't think he's an idiot. We were left high and dry and had no other options.
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What if I buy a ticket and win the powerball take the money to become owner of the Brazilian bikini volleyball league.
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(11-27-2012 09:23 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  What if I buy a ticket and win the powerball take the money to become owner of the Brazilian bikini volleyball league.

Man, I was going to just give a big chunk to UL athletics when I win it. I like your idea better.
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What if FAU's Place Kicker changed his trajectory against USA resutling in the winning FG instated of 3 blocks?

What if we had finished off our last minute drives against Navy and UNT?

3 more wins we left on the field and we would be bowl elligible.
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