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(11-24-2012 02:02 PM)Marathon Blazer Wrote:  I've got a feeling Greer will be the starter next year.

Johnny Football, part deaux

(11-24-2012 02:23 PM)rook360 Wrote:  Sooooo.... who's going to vanderbilt or LSU next year?

I hear LSU is pretty rough if you're a visiting fan. Might not be a place to bring the little hooahs with me.

LSU fans were all very gracious and pleasant to me before and after the game the last time we played there

(11-24-2012 02:55 PM)rook360 Wrote:  

(11-24-2012 02:44 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(11-24-2012 02:37 PM)rook360 Wrote:  So criticize the coach. Like the TD that just happend with JP

SO being stubborn all season has lead to another "what if" season. Not saying Perry would've taken us to the promise land, but I would like to know why! whY! WHY! did he keep AB in during the game against Memphis when all McGee talks about is playing your part. HELL let JP play his part.

Maybe Internet service is bad at Legion Field and he couldn't log in to get this great advice.

BWhahahahahaha but funny that JP is starting to make CGM look like a stubborn moron for not playing him this year. And as much as I have been behind CGM I still think he was a moron for not playing JP this year.
I get he wants to give AB some learing time, but I prefer winis over learning time. But, thats why I get paid to do what I do and he makes the big bucks to do what he does. Like be stubborn

Great...so we got just enough effort out of JP to give BlazerTalk posters something else to yell at each other over for a year. Do you have access to game film from the first 2-3 games of the year? Even today, you couldn't tell that the plays we were running with JP were stripped down (and run against vanilla defensive packages UCF deployed with the lead?

I'm not slamming JP, but whatever it is you get paid to do, it involves spending a tiny fraction of the time - if any - with JP as McGee does. And, just like people were on here for 5 seasons suggesting a lifelong coach would squelch his desire to compete to fill someone else's request to keep UAB football down, you're going to suggest - especially after even all of BT was saying JP wasn't getting the job done - that a coach that's only been part of winners and quite obviously hates losing with a passion - would knowingly not play someone just out of stubbornness? For short- or long-term, McGee clearly thought the ultimate sum of playing AB exceeded that of playing JP.


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A lot of our pride in JP comes from the fact that he's a competitor and is a great ambassador for our university. This is a conversation we've had (and will continue to have it seems) ad nauseum, but a 100% JP is undoubtedly infinitely better than a 60% AB. Just the ability to rollout kept our receivers' routes alive today, instead of resulting in sacks and throwaways.

I think it could be valuable to build a JP play book (option, rollout, etc) and use it during the season next year. It could add a nice wrinkle to what is already setting up to be an explosive offense in 2013.

Every time he comes in the game he leads the team in the end zone.

The reality is that neither AB nor JP will be starting next year if Greer has a productive spring training. My hope is that the rest of the team steps up and realizes winning has more to do with off-season preparation than who is playing QB.

Bingo!

I'm sorry but I still LOL every time I read this thread title. Hilarious heat of the moment post.

(11-24-2012 04:19 PM)blazr Wrote:  

(11-24-2012 02:55 PM)rook360 Wrote:  

(11-24-2012 02:44 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(11-24-2012 02:37 PM)rook360 Wrote:  So criticize the coach. Like the TD that just happend with JP

SO being stubborn all season has lead to another "what if" season. Not saying Perry would've taken us to the promise land, but I would like to know why! whY! WHY! did he keep AB in during the game against Memphis when all McGee talks about is playing your part. HELL let JP play his part.

Maybe Internet service is bad at Legion Field and he couldn't log in to get this great advice.

BWhahahahahaha but funny that JP is starting to make CGM look like a stubborn moron for not playing him this year. And as much as I have been behind CGM I still think he was a moron for not playing JP this year.
I get he wants to give AB some learing time, but I prefer winis over learning time. But, thats why I get paid to do what I do and he makes the big bucks to do what he does. Like be stubborn

Great...so we got just enough effort out of JP to give BlazerTalk posters something else to yell at each other over for a year. Do you have access to game film from the first 2-3 games of the year? Even today, you couldn't tell that the plays we were running with JP were stripped down (and run against vanilla defensive packages UCF deployed with the lead?

I'm not slamming JP, but whatever it is you get paid to do, it involves spending a tiny fraction of the time - if any - with JP as McGee does. And, just like people were on here for 5 seasons suggesting a lifelong coach would squelch his desire to compete to fill someone else's request to keep UAB football down, you're going to suggest - especially after even all of BT was saying JP wasn't getting the job done - that a coach that's only been part of winners and quite obviously hates losing with a passion - would knowingly not play someone just out of stubbornness? For short- or long-term, McGee clearly thought the ultimate sum of playing AB exceeded that of playing JP.


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Pride and Ego.

(11-24-2012 08:51 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  Every time he (JP) comes in the game he leads the team in the end zone.

:youmoron:



Now, don't you have a temper tantrum or something to go throw over something else.

He might. Next thing we will hear is when Perry gets in the game we run the only two plays he knows and the defenses lay down.

(11-24-2012 08:51 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  Every time he comes in the game he leads the team in the end zone.

We were ALL ready for JP to sit when he did. And, with Freshman mistakes thrown in, I don't see how anyone can deny that our offense started to look like an actual system used to attack defenses. By the Memphis game, if AB can play why put in a QB that requires the coaching staff to simplify when we have other Fr., So., etc. still getting reps on the reads that THEY are responsible for and ones that they have to pick up from the sideline or QB. Sitting on 3 wins in the 11th game of the year, don't waste the learning opportunity. I'll take swallowing the Memphis loss if it made it more likely that our offense will at least closely resemble the lethal weapon it has at times this year because players - not just AB - got all the reps possible.

And this BS about creating a simplified playbook for JP...WTF?!?! Aren't we just coming off 5 years of Webb/Perry left, Webb/Perry right, Webb/Perry QB draw? Suddenly that's the way to go? And, of course, Callaway couldn't make adjustments. Well, just what do you guys think had McGee so damn frustrated when the season started? He couldn't make adjustments on offense because one hand was tied around his back. Besides all of that, the offense doesn't develop in a vacuum...McGee has to be able to fit the plans together on both sides of the ball.

It makes no damn sense to use a simplified playbook when we have one, and will likely have at least one more, QB that can execute the entire thing (execute like a freshman for now, but there's only one way to fix that). If there is a consensus to use next year what we saw in the 2nd half of a decided game yesterday, then let's buy McGee and his staff out and save some money. I'm just kind of astounded at the hypocrisy of so many desperately wanting a system where they couldn't predict the next play and our QB didn't have to save the coaches' Bacon Bits on talent alone. Now our coach is a stubborn fool who needs his ego checked because he won't recognize that what we were running the 5 seasons before he arrived was actually and secretly brilliant!

JHKrist!!!


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The playbook JP was running did not look simplified. Hell it looked expanded. JP was running plays AB could not dream of attempting and still running our offense. Hell JP can actually not key on a primary receiver! he can make his check downs and also get rid of the ball quicker. STOP this nonsense blazr. Stop making excuses. I was not ready for JP to sit to be honest. Next you will tell me JP can't read or write. JHKrist!!! Stop babbling. No wonder MB gets so damn flustered.

It doesn't matter. We lost. Mcgee will play who he wants and I lay odds our starter is Greer. We finished 3-9. That is the only bottom line.

(11-25-2012 12:20 AM)blazr Wrote:  JHKrist!!!

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temper tantrum

(11-24-2012 04:29 PM)FNblazer Wrote:  A lot of our pride in JP comes from the fact that he's a competitor and is a great ambassador for our university. This is a conversation we've had (and will continue to have it seems) ad nauseum, but a 100% JP is undoubtedly infinitely better than a 60% AB. Just the ability to rollout kept our receivers' routes alive today, instead of resulting in sacks and throwaways.


I think it could be valuable to build a JP play book (option, rollout, etc) and use it during the season next year. It could add a nice wrinkle to what is already setting up to be an explosive offense in 2013.

I agree JP is agreat competitor and classy guy but I agree with Blazr on this issue. It was nice to see him make some good plays but the game was over anyway. We could barely get the running game going as the Oline didn't look so good this game and some past ones. JP being a dual threat helped the Oline alot. I seen some mistakes with Perry also. That being said a 100 percent Perry is better than a 60 percent Brown ,and I don't think Greer will beat both guys out but I've wrong manys times about UAB football. Hope both return next season to give us two QB's who we can be comfortable with next year.

(11-25-2012 12:43 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  No wonder MB gets so damn flustered.

Except that I am agreeing with him.

I know. It scares me too.

But we all knew that this year was not going to be a great year. I think Perry is a great guy, but if McGee is building for the future, we need to let him follow his plan. I wished he had played more this way, but I also recognize that it doesn't matter what I wish. There is no proof that we wouldn't still be 3-9 if Perry had played more.

I said on the CUSA board today regarding Pastner that when you hire a young coach, you have to go the growing pains. Well growing pains can be painful. We just need to be patient.

Support him. Stop the escalation. No one is calling for his head right now, but this is where it starts.

If it does, somebody's an idiot. He's a brand new HC in his first year. We were not overrun with talent. We knew it would be hard.

Next year, year after, will be better. The team be older and more experienced, deeper.

Do I like it? No, but it was a legit rebuilding year.

I think I stated several times that McGee will play who he wants. I also know there is no proof that if Perry played more that we would have more wins. I just don't believe perry is as incompetent as some make him out to be. McGee even said himself more than once there is not much difference in the two. (Perry and Brown) His words. That is where my disagreement lies. Do I wish he would have played more? Sure. Maybe we sit here with 4 or 5 wins, maybe we sit here with 2 wins. Who knows? Again Mcgee is the one we pay to make those decisions. I certainly am not calling for his head. I said on another thread that even Mcgee is learning on the job. I actually said "leading" but the auto correct got me.

(11-25-2012 01:36 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  I think I stated several times that McGee will play who he wants. I also know there is no proof that if Perry played more that we would have more wins. I just don't believe perry is as incompetent as some make him out to be. McGee even said himself more than once there is not much difference in the two. (Perry and Brown) His words. That is where my disagreement lies. Do I wish he would have played more? Sure. Maybe we sit here with 4 or 5 wins, maybe we sit here with 2 wins. Who knows? Again Mcgee is the one we pay to make those decisions. I certainly am not calling for his head. I said on another thread that even Mcgee is learning on the job. I actually said "leading" but the auto correct got me.

I've made no arguments about Perry being incompetent...I've only referenced McGee's own comments, noted how frustrated he looked at the time, and noted his actions since. McGee himself alluded to the missing two-thirds of the playbook being related to effort and not talent. Maybe he was mixing general comments about all offensive players with the comments aimed at the QB position. But he openly admitted we couldn't run our entire system with him in the game. At the same time that there is no reason to attack Perry as incompetent, I don't think there is any justification for the "stubborn" or "ego" comments towards McGee. He is definitely a "system" guy - as expected from someone who learned from Petrino (just like Meyer, Spurrier, and Leach disciples). Right now, everyone having the entire system down is likely more important than wins (after it became clear we were going to struggle). The last thing he wants, and I'd hate to see it, is him not being capable of delivering wins and never seeing his full system run either.

I agree, Attalla, it's a moot point now. Whomever is under center, I hope we can come out firing on all cylinders.

The personnel thing goes beyond just QB. That was just the most obvious example. Maybe the coaches just started experimenting after a losing season was secure but don't get a lot of the player moves in the last several games.