I've been on this board for 4 years calling BS on every proposal calling for a split. I don't think it's BS this time. That doesn't mean that it will happen, but it absolutely cannot be dismissed as a legit possibility at all. CougarRed hit on an ESPN rumor that I actually believe where they'd pay the Catholc schools as much as they would have received in a hybrid. If that happens (which is chump change to ESPN), there's little point in the Catholic schools continuing to deal with the instability for a sport that they don't play.

(11-22-2012 06:42 PM)Boise fan Wrote:  Too many people in panic mode, imo.

I don't see the BB schools splitting off. I don't think there is some secret deal between ESPN and the BB schools (ala the MWC/WAC "airport meeting") that is trying to lure them into dissolving the BE. That would create a rainmaker of a lawsuit or suits.

This is an interesting time, but the ball is firmly with the ACC and the conferences in talks with their schools. And the PAC has been eerily silent. If the other conferences were to suddenly want to get to 16 teams each (which would be kinda dumb, for scheduling), then what would the PAC do?

Nah, I think this is more spin and hype. I'll wait and see what happens. But what I think will happen is a little movement - one more BE team to the ACC to fill the hole, and the BE back-filling from the MWC and/or C-USA. And then it stops.

The lesson of what happened with the PAC/B12 tells me the potential complications make massive conference movement unlikely.

Sorry, but this is a basketball league and always has been. Sometimes money isn't worthwhile with the people you associated yourself with. That is what a conference is about, being with universities you have a common denominator with. There is nothing , for example, that Georgetown or Seton Hall have in common with UCF or SMU. Getting more schools from the MW or CUSA is not the answer for the catholic schools, regardless of fb-only or all sports.

No matter what happens, I'll continue to support both of my schools. Absolutely nothing will change in my little world.

(11-22-2012 04:44 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 04:27 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 03:51 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 03:17 PM)CardsfaninLexington Wrote:  It's sad because the Big East was once a great conference. This is what happens when you put the needs of the basketball school ahead of the needs of the football schools. This is what happens when Seton Hall and Depaul have the same voting power as as WVU and Louisville. The previous admins didn't realize this and look at what happened.

No, what's sad is that the Big East tried to make a basketball driven conference into a football conference.

It's pretty obvious that you're a Tiger basketball only fan.

Says the guy who lives in Atlanta. Exactly how many games have you attended this year, or last year? How many times did you sit there able to single handily count the official attendance? I am a Tigers fan, both basketball and football. But I'm not a naive fan who thinks that Memphis football can one day be on the same level as Tennessee, Texas or Alabama or even Ole Miss for that matter. That is never going to happen. And the sooner Tiger fans realize that the better off they will be.

You picked on the wrong guy at the wrong time. I'm already in a bad mood tonight.

I'm 65, born and raised in Memphis, a Tiger alum, and attended my first Tiger football and basketball games in 1952, at the age of 5, so I'm not naive about Tiger football. Attended both sports in person regularly, until leaving town in 1977 for my business career. Would live there now, if my kids and grandkids weren't in Atlanta. Still followed both sports as closely as possible, and continued to attend games in both sports, almost every year, right up until the present.

I have seen every football coach in person, coaching multiple games, from Ralph Hatley to Justin Fuente. I personally knew Spook Murphy, who was my uncle's college roommate at Mississippi State.

Have seen many, many Tiger BB games with all coaches from Gene Lambert to Josh Pastner. Knew Calipari, as an acquaintance, and am good friends with Pastner.

I was at the Tulane football game 2 weeks ago, sitting with Billy Fletcher, Harry Schuh and Chuck Brooks, all Tiger football legends from the 1960s, all 3 All-Americans and NFL players. Tailgated with friends all afternoon, as I try to do at least once a year, if not more.

Went to the North Florida BB game at the FedEx forum last week. Watched from the university's hospitality suite on the club level. Usually attend several basketball games a year.

Am a member of the Memphis Alumni Association, as well as the Rebounders BB booster club. Have 2 grandsons who are die-hard Memphis Tiger fans, although neither is associated with the city of Memphis, or the university.

My parents, and later me, as well, had season tickets to Tiger basketball every year from the 1950s until the 1990s. I held season tickets as late as 2010, before becoming so ill I had to give them up, and miss one year of attending games. Back at it now.

Other things I recall, from memory:

Crump Stadium - went to countless football games there. Many more at Memphis Memorial Stadium/Liberty Bowl.

Recall the Citadel game in 1958, sat in the rain. We lost a close one. Got them back in 1961, 40-0.

The old Fieldhouse (now Elma Roane) - went there for years from 1952 until the MSC opened in the early 60s. Recall the athletic dorm windows overlooked the court, a few feet behind the basket. Still remember seeing students watching the basketball games, through metal screens on their windows.

Still recall watching the Tigers play on TV in '57 NIT, back when it attracted top teams. Beat St. Bonaventure in the semis by 2 points. Lost to Bradley by one. The refs screwed us.

Was at MSG when we lost to Oral Roberts. Richard Fuqua scored 44 points for them.

Saw us beat Miss. St. in BB at Ellis Auditorium in 1963(?), right after a snow storm rendered the streets almost impassable.

Players I’ve seen play BB in person: Forest Arnold, Win Wilfong, Jack Butcher, Mike Butler, Larry Finch, Robinson, Kenon, Keith Lee, Perry, Turner, Holmes, John Gunn, Penny Hardaway, Wright, etc. etc.

Players I’ve seen play FB in person: James Earl Wright, Billy Fletcher, Chuck Brooks, Harry Schuh, Isaac Bruce, DeAngelo Williams, Dontari Poe, etc.

Attended John Gunn’s memorial service at Memphis State.

Before the internet, and after 1977, I called my mom long distance and listened to a few entire games over the phone, while she turned up the TV volume.

Founded and operated TrueBlueTigers.com for several years. Wrote over 200 blogs on Tiger football and basketball.

Attend watch parties in Atlanta on a regular basis, even though I have to drive almost 100 miles round trip, to do so.

I was there in person, at the 2008 F4 in San Antonio. Both games.

I could go on, but perhaps you get the point. I know a little about Tiger sports.

I am NOT naive about Tiger football, and I never said we could be Alabama, or anybody else.

So don't lecture me on what I should or should not realize about Tiger football. From your posts, you apparently don't care much for Tiger football. But I do, as much as I do for Tiger basketball, which is infinite.

Now please, sit down, and shut up.

(11-23-2012 12:32 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 04:44 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 04:27 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 03:51 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 03:17 PM)CardsfaninLexington Wrote:  It's sad because the Big East was once a great conference. This is what happens when you put the needs of the basketball school ahead of the needs of the football schools. This is what happens when Seton Hall and Depaul have the same voting power as as WVU and Louisville. The previous admins didn't realize this and look at what happened.

No, what's sad is that the Big East tried to make a basketball driven conference into a football conference.

It's pretty obvious that you're a Tiger basketball only fan.

Says the guy who lives in Atlanta. Exactly how many games have you attended this year, or last year? How many times did you sit there able to single handily count the official attendance? I am a Tigers fan, both basketball and football. But I'm not a naive fan who thinks that Memphis football can one day be on the same level as Tennessee, Texas or Alabama or even Ole Miss for that matter. That is never going to happen. And the sooner Tiger fans realize that the better off they will be.

You picked on the wrong guy at the wrong time. I'm already in a bad mood tonight.

I'm 65, born and raised in Memphis, a Tiger alum, and attended my first Tiger football and basketball games in 1952, at the age of 5. Attended both sports in person regularly, until leaving town in 1977 for my business career. Would live there now, if my kids and grandkids weren't in Atlanta. Still followed both sports as closely as possible, and continued to attend games in both sports, almost every year, right up until the present.

I have seen every football coach in person, coaching multiple games, from Ralph Hatley to Justin Fuente. I personally knew Spook Murphy, who was my uncle's college roommate at Mississippi State.

Have seen many, many Tiger BB games with all coaches from Gene Lambert to Josh Pastner. Knew Calipari, as an acquaintance, and am good friends with Pastner.

I was at the Tulane football game 2 weeks ago, sitting with Billy Fletcher, Harry Schuh and Chuck Brooks, all Tiger football legends from the 1960s. Tailgated with friends all afternoon, as I try to do at least once a year, if not more.

Went to the North Florida BB game at the FedEx forum last week. Watched from the university's hospitality suite on the club level. Usually attend several basketball games a year.

Am a member of the Memphis Alumni Association, as well as the Rebounders BB booster club. Have 2 grandkids who are die-hard Memphis Tiger fans, although neither is associated with the city of Memphis, or the university.

My parents, and later me, as well, had season tickets to Tiger basketball every year from the 1950s until the 1990s. I held season tickets as late as 2010, before becoming so ill I had to give them up, and miss one year of attending games. Back at it now.

Other things I recall, from memory:

Crump Stadium - went to countless football games there. Many more at Memphis Memorial Stadium/Liberty Bowl.

Recall the Citadel game in 1958, sat in the rain. We lost a close one. Got them back in 1961, 40-0.

The old Fieldhouse (now Elma Roane) - went there for years from 1952 until the MSC opened in the early 60s. Recall the athletic dorm windows overlooked the court, a few feet behind the basket. Still remember seeing students watching the basketball games, through metal screens on their windows.

Still recall watching the Tigers play on TV in '57 NIT, back when it attracted top teams. Beat St. Bonaventure in the semis by 2 points. Lost to Bradley by one. The refs screwed us.

Was at MSG when we lost to Oral Roberts. Richard Fuqua scored 44 points for them.

Saw us beat Miss. St. in BB at Ellis Auditorium in 1963(?), right after a snow storm rendered the streets almost impassable.

Players I’ve seen play BB in person: Forest Arnold, Win Wilfong, Jack Butcher, Mike Butler, Larry Finch, Robinson, Kenon, Perry, Turner, Holmes, John Gunn, Penny hardaway, Wright, etc. etc.

Players I’ve seen play FB in person: James Earl Wright, Billy Fletcher, Chuck Brooks, Harry Schuh, Isaac Bruce, DeAngelo Williams, Dontari Poe, etc.

Attended John Gunn’s memorial service at Memphis State.

Before the internet, and after 1977, I called my mom long distance and listened to a few entire games over the phone, while she turned up the TV volume.

Founded and operated TrueBlueTigers.com for several years. Wrote over 200 blogs on Tiger football and basketball.

Attend watch parties in Atlanta on a regular basis., even though I have to drive almost 100 miles round trip, to do so.

I could go on, but perhaps you get the point. I know a little about Tiger sports.

I am NOT naive about Tiger football, and I never said we could be Alabama, or anybody else.

So don't lecture me on what I should or should not realize about Tiger football. From your posts, you apparently don't care much for Tiger football. But I do, as much as I do for Tiger basketball, which is infinite.

Now please, sit down, and shut up.

waited a looong time to see my man triplea open a can of whoopass on somebody.

as john wayne put it in the movie big jake-
""Well, son, since you haven't learned to respect your elders, it's time you learned to respect your betters"

(11-23-2012 12:32 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 04:44 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 04:27 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 03:51 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 03:17 PM)CardsfaninLexington Wrote:  It's sad because the Big East was once a great conference. This is what happens when you put the needs of the basketball school ahead of the needs of the football schools. This is what happens when Seton Hall and Depaul have the same voting power as as WVU and Louisville. The previous admins didn't realize this and look at what happened.

No, what's sad is that the Big East tried to make a basketball driven conference into a football conference.

It's pretty obvious that you're a Tiger basketball only fan.

Says the guy who lives in Atlanta. Exactly how many games have you attended this year, or last year? How many times did you sit there able to single handily count the official attendance? I am a Tigers fan, both basketball and football. But I'm not a naive fan who thinks that Memphis football can one day be on the same level as Tennessee, Texas or Alabama or even Ole Miss for that matter. That is never going to happen. And the sooner Tiger fans realize that the better off they will be.

You picked on the wrong guy at the wrong time. I'm already in a bad mood tonight.

I'm 65, born and raised in Memphis, a Tiger alum, and attended my first Tiger football and basketball games in 1952, at the age of 5. Attended both sports in person regularly, until leaving town in 1977 for my business career. Would live there now, if my kids and grandkids weren't in Atlanta. Still followed both sports as closely as possible, and continued to attend games in both sports, almost every year, right up until the present.

I have seen every football coach in person, coaching multiple games, from Ralph Hatley to Justin Fuente. I personally knew Spook Murphy, who was my uncle's college roommate at Mississippi State.

Have seen many, many Tiger BB games with all coaches from Gene Lambert to Josh Pastner. Knew Calipari, as an acquaintance, and am good friends with Pastner.

I was at the Tulane football game 2 weeks ago, sitting with Billy Fletcher, Harry Schuh and Chuck Brooks, all Tiger football legends from the 1960s. Tailgated with friends all afternoon, as I try to do at least once a year, if not more.

Went to the North Florida BB game at the FedEx forum last week. Watched from the university's hospitality suite on the club level. Usually attend several basketball games a year.

Am a member of the Memphis Alumni Association, as well as the Rebounders BB booster club. Have 2 grandkids who are die-hard Memphis Tiger fans, although neither is associated with the city of Memphis, or the university.

My parents, and later me, as well, had season tickets to Tiger basketball every year from the 1950s until the 1990s. I held season tickets as late as 2010, before becoming so ill I had to give them up, and miss one year of attending games. Back at it now.

Other things I recall, from memory:

Crump Stadium - went to countless football games there. Many more at Memphis Memorial Stadium/Liberty Bowl.

Recall the Citadel game in 1958, sat in the rain. We lost a close one. Got them back in 1961, 40-0.

The old Fieldhouse (now Elma Roane) - went there for years from 1952 until the MSC opened in the early 60s. Recall the athletic dorm windows overlooked the court, a few feet behind the basket. Still remember seeing students watching the basketball games, through metal screens on their windows.

Still recall watching the Tigers play on TV in '57 NIT, back when it attracted top teams. Beat St. Bonaventure in the semis by 2 points. Lost to Bradley by one. The refs screwed us.

Was at MSG when we lost to Oral Roberts. Richard Fuqua scored 44 points for them.

Saw us beat Miss. St. in BB at Ellis Auditorium in 1963(?), right after a snow storm rendered the streets almost impassable.

Players I’ve seen play BB in person: Forest Arnold, Win Wilfong, Jack Butcher, Mike Butler, Larry Finch, Robinson, Kenon, Perry, Turner, Holmes, John Gunn, Penny hardaway, Wright, etc. etc.

Players I’ve seen play FB in person: James Earl Wright, Billy Fletcher, Chuck Brooks, Harry Schuh, Isaac Bruce, DeAngelo Williams, Dontari Poe, etc.

Attended John Gunn’s memorial service at Memphis State.

Before the internet, and after 1977, I called my mom long distance and listened to a few entire games over the phone, while she turned up the TV volume.

Founded and operated TrueBlueTigers.com for several years. Wrote over 200 blogs on Tiger football and basketball.

Attend watch parties in Atlanta on a regular basis., even though I have to drive almost 100 miles round trip, to do so.

I could go on, but perhaps you get the point. I know a little about Tiger sports.

I am NOT naive about Tiger football, and I never said we could be Alabama, or anybody else.

So don't lecture me on what I should or should not realize about Tiger football. From your posts, you apparently don't care much for Tiger football. But I do, as much as I do for Tiger basketball, which is infinite.

Now please, sit down, and shut up.

Ouch, that's leave a mark!

Cheers to a lifelong fan, even if he likes Memphis.

(11-23-2012 12:32 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 04:44 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 04:27 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 03:51 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 03:17 PM)CardsfaninLexington Wrote:  It's sad because the Big East was once a great conference. This is what happens when you put the needs of the basketball school ahead of the needs of the football schools. This is what happens when Seton Hall and Depaul have the same voting power as as WVU and Louisville. The previous admins didn't realize this and look at what happened.

No, what's sad is that the Big East tried to make a basketball driven conference into a football conference.

It's pretty obvious that you're a Tiger basketball only fan.

Says the guy who lives in Atlanta. Exactly how many games have you attended this year, or last year?

You picked on the wrong guy at the wrong time. I'm already in a bad mood tonight.

He just asked a question: "Exactly how many games have you attended this year or last year"....don't think you answered it directly as you just wrote a long diatribe about past games probably played prior to the previous poster being born.

(11-23-2012 08:41 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(11-23-2012 12:32 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 04:44 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 04:27 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 03:51 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  No, what's sad is that the Big East tried to make a basketball driven conference into a football conference.

It's pretty obvious that you're a Tiger basketball only fan.

Says the guy who lives in Atlanta. Exactly how many games have you attended this year, or last year?

You picked on the wrong guy at the wrong time. I'm already in a bad mood tonight.

He just asked a question: "Exactly how many games have you attended this year or last year"....don't think you answered it directly as you just wrote a long diatribe about past games probably played prior to the previous poster being born.

Did you miss this part?

"I was at the Tulane football game 2 weeks ago, sitting with Billy Fletcher, Harry Schuh and Chuck Brooks, all Tiger football legends from the 1960s, all 3 All-Americans and NFL players. Tailgated with friends all afternoon, as I try to do at least once a year, if not more."

"Went to the North Florida BB game at the FedEx forum last week. Watched from the university's hospitality suite on the club level. Usually attend several basketball games a year."

And I mentioned I had season tickets in basketball as late as 2010, until I got sick and had to drop them. And I go to UAB games in Birmingham every year, including this past one. And I mentioned I attended at least one football game a year, even now, and several games a year in basketball., and that I had done that most years since the 1950s, right up through this year.

And I added all that other stuff, off the top of my head, b/c he said I was naive about Tiger football. I gave examples of a lot of stuff from long ago, to emphasize how long I have been an avid fan. I didn't all of a sudden quit following games recently. Been the same fan right up until today, including attending games every damn year, even though it's almost a 750-mile RT drive from my house.

Mind your own business, or at least read through something before you criticize it.

P.S. I went back and added bold to the parts that answer his question, to help inattentive readers, and added a phrase about not being naive about Tiger football, as a prologue to the long history recital from memory.

This is all about timing. IF the ACC lost 4-5 teams quickly, AND repopulated with 4-5 from the Big East, then MAYBE the big east might split/dissolve (better described as the bb schools splitting off). But I very seriously doubt that will happen. More likely is the simple movement of teams 1-2 at a time, allowing for repopulating, as has happened every other realignment cycle. The BE brand means something and everyone knows it, no one wants to throw that away. In the end, the best FB conference possible will be formed from the 'best of the rest', and a very good bb league will be associated. Everyone who remains in the (n)nBE wins. Or at least would be better off than any mwc/cusa/mac alternative.

Still no worries, just have to wait this out. Again. But there will continue to be doom and gloom scenarios tossed around message boards and negativity flowing out of ESPN. Par for the course.

I'd like to see UC, UofL, USF, UCONN, and Memphis go to the ACC

which would require the ACC to lose 5 schools...which is looking more and more realistic

none of this matters...at the end of the day the Big10, Pac10, and SEC are in control.
after that the B12, then the ACC, then the Big East, then everyone else. this is the pecking order and it isn't going to change regardless of where any of us end up or don't end up.

You about nailed it. Basically at this point the B12 and ACC are going to fight to see who is that magic fourth major conference. Both have a couple of major schools and some fluff, so it could shift either way. Both have made efforts to ensure stability, either through GOR or a 50 million exit fee. Very interesting!

At this point, I'd agree its most likely the B12 wins, gets a few horses from the ACC (who likely loses another few to the SCE and B1G). ACC #5 (with a ton of BE schools), BE #6 (best of the rest).

Does not have to go down this way though, if the B12 can't pry away FSU and Clemson. They could float as tied at the second tier. Either way, the nBE will be the #6 conference, just has a TBD lineup.

(11-22-2012 04:44 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 04:27 PM)TripleA Wrote:  It's pretty obvious that you're a Tiger basketball only fan.

Says the guy who lives in Atlanta. Exactly how many games have you attended this year, or last year? How many times did you sit there able to single handily count the official attendance? I am a Tigers fan, both basketball and football. But I'm not a naive fan who thinks that Memphis football can one day be on the same level as Tennessee, Texas or Alabama or even Ole Miss for that matter. That is never going to happen. And the sooner Tiger fans realize that the better off they will be.

Please shut up. I don't live in Atlanta - I live in Memphis, and I have been to every home game and at least a third of our away games for decades. Memphis can be a Top 10 football program. The first step is to eliminate the kind of shallow-minded, short-sighted, SEC-driven inferiority-complex thinking which you just displayed.

(11-23-2012 12:01 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 04:44 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 04:27 PM)TripleA Wrote:  It's pretty obvious that you're a Tiger basketball only fan.

Says the guy who lives in Atlanta. Exactly how many games have you attended this year, or last year? How many times did you sit there able to single handily count the official attendance? I am a Tigers fan, both basketball and football. But I'm not a naive fan who thinks that Memphis football can one day be on the same level as Tennessee, Texas or Alabama or even Ole Miss for that matter. That is never going to happen. And the sooner Tiger fans realize that the better off they will be.

Please shut up. I don't live in Atlanta - I live in Memphis, and I have been to every home game and at least a third of our away games for decades. Memphis can be a Top 10 football program. The first step is to eliminate the kind of shallow-minded, short-sighted, SEC-driven inferiority-complex thinking which you just displayed.

Thank you. Like me living in Atlanta has anything to do with what I know about our football and basketball teams, especially since I still go to games in person, in both sports, every year. Plus, I almost never miss watching a game in either sport. It's called TV and the internet.

I dont see that happening. I see it going the other way. The BE agrees to be acquired by the ACC. The ACC becomes the kings of college basketball, and creates a division for fball playing schools. This makes sense because by agreeing to be acquired, the BE eliminates all exit fees. the ACC picks up all the eastern schools as "free agents" and locks up the entire eastern US tv market. The western schools that were coming into the BE will all go to the MWC. This would largely eliminate further poaching.The only derivation from this would be if the the BE catholic bball schools wanted to start their own conference. I dont think that would happen because the $$$ would be too small.

To me this makes perfect sense to what remains of the BE and the ACC.

(11-22-2012 06:29 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  i simply said that IF the Big East dissolves of football that Memphis would look to join an all basketball conference

(1) Over my dead body

(2) Although I admit that a faction of Memphis big-boosters think that way, our new AD is NOT that stupid - nor is Fred Smith.

(11-23-2012 12:07 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(11-22-2012 06:29 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  i simply said that IF the Big East dissolves of football that Memphis would look to join an all basketball conference

(1) Over my dead body

(2) Although I admit that a faction of Memphis big-boosters think that way, our new AD is NOT that stupid - nor is Fred Smith.

He's the one who is naive about Tiger sports. He knows that, last year, we were first offered entry to the Big East for all but football, and we turned it down. You'd think that would be a pretty good signal that we don't want to abandon football. But yeah, he's really a Tiger basketball AND football fan. Not.