http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...basketball

Wow, they lay it at the feet of the Conference Commissioners? WOW, just surreal.

She nailed it.

(11-19-2012 11:25 PM)FULL_MONTY Wrote:  http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...basketball

Wow, they lay it at the feet of the Conference Commissioners? WOW, just surreal.

She should realize her bosses started this whole mess.

Yes the conferences and universities are to blame for the mess in part, but so are the media vehicles that feed the beast. ESPN and Fox are in the background pushing and pulling to crank the presses as well.

So for ESPN to lay it all at the feet of commissioners, it is a tad self serving in the guilt cleanse they seek for themselves.

This is too funny, ESPN is calling foul on the NCAA and the Confrences, whille pushing them in that direction. THe problem is none of them care and most average fans don't realize it's ESPN behind it all.

(11-19-2012 11:56 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  This is too funny, ESPN is calling foul on the NCAA and the Confrences, whille pushing them in that direction. THe problem is none of them care and most average fans don't realize it's ESPN behind it all.

You present a couple of good points

(11-20-2012 12:13 AM)smu89 Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 11:56 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  This is too funny, ESPN is calling foul on the NCAA and the Confrences, whille pushing them in that direction. THe problem is none of them care and most average fans don't realize it's ESPN behind it all.

You present a couple of good points

You have to admit that it's sheer genius though. They get to create a product to sell to viewers and companies for ad space and content to the "news" shows and network and website. What's mind blowing is that aren't really hiding it and millions have bought into the ESPN line hook, line, and sinker.

Tight local confrences with bitter rivalaries built college football to what it was till 1998 and ESPN is killing it. IMO, it won't be long before CFB starts having the issues NASCAR is having know. Falling ratings, lowering attendance and revenue.

NASCAR was a southern sport with loyal fans and the different tracks made it fun. Now most of the tracks are in "big markets" and all the same and they can't sell tickets, Nevada, Cali, Chic., Kansas, Miami, both road races, Phoenix, all the new tracks don't sell out and have the lowest ratings. T-dega, Charlotte, and the old tracks still do well. NASCAR turned it back on what made NASCAR great and bought in to the new market thing and it's not working.

There is a reason Michigan/OSU, Bama/AU, SC/Clemson, UCF/USF, FSU/Miami, UCLA/USC, Pitt/WVU, ECU/NCSU, OreS/OreU, Texas/OU and other "rivalry" games always sell out, get great ratings and are the best games to watch.

(11-20-2012 12:59 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 12:13 AM)smu89 Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 11:56 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  This is too funny, ESPN is calling foul on the NCAA and the Confrences, whille pushing them in that direction. THe problem is none of them care and most average fans don't realize it's ESPN behind it all.

You present a couple of good points

You have to admit that it's sheer genius though. They get to create a product to sell to viewers and companies for ad space and content to the "news" shows and network and website. What's mind blowing is that aren't really hiding it and millions have bought into the ESPN line hook, line, and sinker.

Tight local confrences with bitter rivalaries built college football to what it was till 1998 and ESPN is killing it. IMO, it won't be long before CFB starts having the issues NASCAR is having know. Falling ratings, lowering attendance and revenue.

NASCAR was a southern sport with loyal fans and the different tracks made it fun. Now most of the tracks are in "big markets" and all the same and they can't sell tickets, Nevada, Cali, Chic., Kansas, Miami, both road races, Phoenix, all the new tracks don't sell out and have the lowest ratings. T-dega, Charlotte, and the old tracks still do well. NASCAR turned it back on what made NASCAR great and bought in to the new market thing and it's not working.

There is a reason Michigan/OSU, Bama/AU, SC/Clemson, UCF/USF, FSU/Miami, UCLA/USC, Pitt/WVU, ECU/NCSU, OreS/OreU, Texas/OU and other "rivalry" games always sell out, get great ratings and are the best games to watch.

I don't get the nascar reference. Thats a sport expanding because it became successful. Thats like saying Baseball never should have went west to california, or NFL never should have went to the south because it started and was successful in the northeast.

This is a whole different issue.

(11-20-2012 12:59 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 12:13 AM)smu89 Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 11:56 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  This is too funny, ESPN is calling foul on the NCAA and the Confrences, whille pushing them in that direction. THe problem is none of them care and most average fans don't realize it's ESPN behind it all.

You present a couple of good points

You have to admit that it's sheer genius though. They get to create a product to sell to viewers and companies for ad space and content to the "news" shows and network and website. What's mind blowing is that aren't really hiding it and millions have bought into the ESPN line hook, line, and sinker.

Tight local confrences with bitter rivalaries built college football to what it was till 1998 and ESPN is killing it. IMO, it won't be long before CFB starts having the issues NASCAR is having know. Falling ratings, lowering attendance and revenue.

NASCAR was a southern sport with loyal fans and the different tracks made it fun. Now most of the tracks are in "big markets" and all the same and they can't sell tickets, Nevada, Cali, Chic., Kansas, Miami, both road races, Phoenix, all the new tracks don't sell out and have the lowest ratings. T-dega, Charlotte, and the old tracks still do well. NASCAR turned it back on what made NASCAR great and bought in to the new market thing and it's not working.

There is a reason Michigan/OSU, Bama/AU, SC/Clemson, UCF/USF, FSU/Miami, UCLA/USC, Pitt/WVU, ECU/NCSU, OreS/OreU, Texas/OU and other "rivalry" games always sell out, get great ratings and are the best games to watch.

nascar had a history in northern cali at riverside which was a road course. watkins glen is a classic historic track and the racing aficionados. two road races out of a 36 race schedule, races which have been taken place for at least 30 years did not kill track attendance. the car of tomorrow was a major part of it. the hyper commercialization of damn near everything else during race weekend played a part. but having 36 races during the year is the major issue in your case. the reason they went to 36 races and to the major population centers like southern california, kansas city, chicago, and miami is the same reason why these conferences are going oversize- em oh en ee why. and because they got too greedy so quickly they're paying for it now. nascar chased the dollar and in return forgot about the fans that went to north wilkesboro for those two races or the rock for those two races, or for darlington for the real southern 500 on labor day weekend. it turns out that was a lot of their fanbase.

(btw, i'm a race fan but nascar rates very low on my race interests. i could be wrong with some of that nascar stuff.)

for the record, i have always been against having 16 team conferences anywhere because i think this is way too many teams for one, and the last 16 team superconference split because of similar issues. as long as congress won't be involved and no one throws in any anti trust lawsuits, this ridiculousness is going to continue until we have 4 or 5 major conferences just because of money. and i don't think those would even last because you won't be able to keep the fanbases of teams 7-16 happy because a)those coaches would only occationally contend for winning the conference in a blue moon and b)those fanbases will not stand paying ridiculous prices at the stadium watching their teams get beaten by those top teams every other year if they're in the opposite division if they're lucky.

just watch when a la carte television programming comes in. then the crazy superconferences goes away because then there won't be any money in it. the big ten network won't get those subcriber dollars from providers in non big ten cities. espn loses their ability to command those dollars for these conferences because i'd say 30-45% of current cable and satellite subscribers don't watch any espn channel.

the pursuit of money is killing college sports, which if you think about it is very ironic indeed.

(11-19-2012 11:34 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 11:25 PM)FULL_MONTY Wrote:  http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...basketball

Wow, they lay it at the feet of the Conference Commissioners? WOW, just surreal.

She should realize her bosses started this whole mess.

Ding!

Just another ESPIN ostrich who's had her head in the sand from the very beginning of ESPN "realignment".

Only NOW that another network (mostly Big Ten Network) does the same thing is dares to cry foul?

Wow....how pathetic.

(11-20-2012 05:08 AM)ctkatz Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 12:59 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 12:13 AM)smu89 Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 11:56 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  This is too funny, ESPN is calling foul on the NCAA and the Confrences, whille pushing them in that direction. THe problem is none of them care and most average fans don't realize it's ESPN behind it all.

You present a couple of good points

You have to admit that it's sheer genius though. They get to create a product to sell to viewers and companies for ad space and content to the "news" shows and network and website. What's mind blowing is that aren't really hiding it and millions have bought into the ESPN line hook, line, and sinker.

Tight local confrences with bitter rivalaries built college football to what it was till 1998 and ESPN is killing it. IMO, it won't be long before CFB starts having the issues NASCAR is having know. Falling ratings, lowering attendance and revenue.

NASCAR was a southern sport with loyal fans and the different tracks made it fun. Now most of the tracks are in "big markets" and all the same and they can't sell tickets, Nevada, Cali, Chic., Kansas, Miami, both road races, Phoenix, all the new tracks don't sell out and have the lowest ratings. T-dega, Charlotte, and the old tracks still do well. NASCAR turned it back on what made NASCAR great and bought in to the new market thing and it's not working.

There is a reason Michigan/OSU, Bama/AU, SC/Clemson, UCF/USF, FSU/Miami, UCLA/USC, Pitt/WVU, ECU/NCSU, OreS/OreU, Texas/OU and other "rivalry" games always sell out, get great ratings and are the best games to watch.

nascar had a history in northern cali at riverside which was a road course. watkins glen is a classic historic track and the racing aficionados. two road races out of a 36 race schedule, races which have been taken place for at least 30 years did not kill track attendance. the car of tomorrow was a major part of it. the hyper commercialization of damn near everything else during race weekend played a part. but having 36 races during the year is the major issue in your case. the reason they went to 36 races and to the major population centers like southern california, kansas city, chicago, and miami is the same reason why these conferences are going oversize- em oh en ee why. and because they got too greedy so quickly they're paying for it now. nascar chased the dollar and in return forgot about the fans that went to north wilkesboro for those two races or the rock for those two races, or for darlington for the real southern 500 on labor day weekend. it turns out that was a lot of their fanbase.

(btw, i'm a race fan but nascar rates very low on my race interests. i could be wrong with some of that nascar stuff.)

for the record, i have always been against having 16 team conferences anywhere because i think this is way too many teams for one, and the last 16 team superconference split because of similar issues. as long as congress won't be involved and no one throws in any anti trust lawsuits, this ridiculousness is going to continue until we have 4 or 5 major conferences just because of money. and i don't think those would even last because you won't be able to keep the fanbases of teams 7-16 happy because a)those coaches would only occationally contend for winning the conference in a blue moon and b)those fanbases will not stand paying ridiculous prices at the stadium watching their teams get beaten by those top teams every other year if they're in the opposite division if they're lucky.

just watch when a la carte television programming comes in. then the crazy superconferences goes away because then there won't be any money in it. the big ten network won't get those subcriber dollars from providers in non big ten cities. espn loses their ability to command those dollars for these conferences because i'd say 30-45% of current cable and satellite subscribers don't watch any espn channel.

the pursuit of money is killing college sports, which if you think about it is very ironic indeed.

What's telling is when NASCAR return to The "Rock" with a truck race this year, it sold out, the last few races there before NASCAR left all averaged over 70,000, some NASCAR tracks today could only dream of that kind of draw.

There is hypocrisy all around in this debate. If Espn calls foul where were they when they were doing the same thing. NBE members are calling foul, when they did the same thing to CUSA twice. ACC is calling foul when they did the same to the BE. Schools that have moved to a better conference affiliation based on "market" are calling foul when schools in their current league get picked off to another league for an added market.

All in all to add some additional dollars in the kitty to keep up with the arms race.

That being said, I speak for myself here....I wouldn't have had it any other way for ECU. I would still be one of the first that says how high if another conference calls us to jump!

This is the new world of college atheletics, get used to it.

I agree to a point Tri. Espn has 0 reasons to call foul, they are right in the middle of this. The ACC, Big, Pac, and SEC are the main culprits here. Every one else has simply been on survive mode. The Big 12 has only reacted to being raided, as has the BE, Cusa, and MWC.

(11-20-2012 08:07 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I agree to a point Tri. Espn has 0 reasons to call foul, they are right in the middle of this. The ACC, Big, Pac, and SEC are the main culprits here. Every one else has simply been on survive mode. The Big 12 has only reacted to being raided, as has the BE, Cusa, and MWC.

I hear ya GK, but IMHO, you make the best that you can out of the situation. No, I don't think you blame lets say UCF for starting what is going on, but UCF did gain for being apart of the system. It was ok when UCF was getting moved based on markets. But now that the nBE may be taking a hit, it sucks.

It seems like when all is done we may see a zero sum game with just some major conference consolidation.

Also, no jab at UCF here, as I could have put anyone of our respective schools in that example.

(11-20-2012 05:08 AM)ctkatz Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 12:59 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 12:13 AM)smu89 Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 11:56 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  This is too funny, ESPN is calling foul on the NCAA and the Confrences, whille pushing them in that direction. THe problem is none of them care and most average fans don't realize it's ESPN behind it all.

You present a couple of good points

You have to admit that it's sheer genius though. They get to create a product to sell to viewers and companies for ad space and content to the "news" shows and network and website. What's mind blowing is that aren't really hiding it and millions have bought into the ESPN line hook, line, and sinker.

Tight local confrences with bitter rivalaries built college football to what it was till 1998 and ESPN is killing it. IMO, it won't be long before CFB starts having the issues NASCAR is having know. Falling ratings, lowering attendance and revenue.

NASCAR was a southern sport with loyal fans and the different tracks made it fun. Now most of the tracks are in "big markets" and all the same and they can't sell tickets, Nevada, Cali, Chic., Kansas, Miami, both road races, Phoenix, all the new tracks don't sell out and have the lowest ratings. T-dega, Charlotte, and the old tracks still do well. NASCAR turned it back on what made NASCAR great and bought in to the new market thing and it's not working.

There is a reason Michigan/OSU, Bama/AU, SC/Clemson, UCF/USF, FSU/Miami, UCLA/USC, Pitt/WVU, ECU/NCSU, OreS/OreU, Texas/OU and other "rivalry" games always sell out, get great ratings and are the best games to watch.

nascar had a history in northern cali at riverside which was a road course. watkins glen is a classic historic track and the racing aficionados. two road races out of a 36 race schedule, races which have been taken place for at least 30 years did not kill track attendance. the car of tomorrow was a major part of it. the hyper commercialization of damn near everything else during race weekend played a part. but having 36 races during the year is the major issue in your case. the reason they went to 36 races and to the major population centers like southern california, kansas city, chicago, and miami is the same reason why these conferences are going oversize- em oh en ee why. and because they got too greedy so quickly they're paying for it now. nascar chased the dollar and in return forgot about the fans that went to north wilkesboro for those two races or the rock for those two races, or for darlington for the real southern 500 on labor day weekend. it turns out that was a lot of their fanbase.

(btw, i'm a race fan but nascar rates very low on my race interests. i could be wrong with some of that nascar stuff.)

for the record, i have always been against having 16 team conferences anywhere because i think this is way too many teams for one, and the last 16 team superconference split because of similar issues. as long as congress won't be involved and no one throws in any anti trust lawsuits, this ridiculousness is going to continue until we have 4 or 5 major conferences just because of money. and i don't think those would even last because you won't be able to keep the fanbases of teams 7-16 happy because a)those coaches would only occationally contend for winning the conference in a blue moon and b)those fanbases will not stand paying ridiculous prices at the stadium watching their teams get beaten by those top teams every other year if they're in the opposite division if they're lucky.

just watch when a la carte television programming comes in. then the crazy superconferences goes away because then there won't be any money in it. the big ten network won't get those subcriber dollars from providers in non big ten cities. espn loses their ability to command those dollars for these conferences because i'd say 30-45% of current cable and satellite subscribers don't watch any espn channel.

the pursuit of money is killing college sports, which if you think about it is very ironic indeed.

Nicely done

(11-20-2012 09:03 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 05:08 AM)ctkatz Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 12:59 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 12:13 AM)smu89 Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 11:56 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  This is too funny, ESPN is calling foul on the NCAA and the Confrences, whille pushing them in that direction. THe problem is none of them care and most average fans don't realize it's ESPN behind it all.

You present a couple of good points

You have to admit that it's sheer genius though. They get to create a product to sell to viewers and companies for ad space and content to the "news" shows and network and website. What's mind blowing is that aren't really hiding it and millions have bought into the ESPN line hook, line, and sinker.

Tight local confrences with bitter rivalaries built college football to what it was till 1998 and ESPN is killing it. IMO, it won't be long before CFB starts having the issues NASCAR is having know. Falling ratings, lowering attendance and revenue.

NASCAR was a southern sport with loyal fans and the different tracks made it fun. Now most of the tracks are in "big markets" and all the same and they can't sell tickets, Nevada, Cali, Chic., Kansas, Miami, both road races, Phoenix, all the new tracks don't sell out and have the lowest ratings. T-dega, Charlotte, and the old tracks still do well. NASCAR turned it back on what made NASCAR great and bought in to the new market thing and it's not working.

There is a reason Michigan/OSU, Bama/AU, SC/Clemson, UCF/USF, FSU/Miami, UCLA/USC, Pitt/WVU, ECU/NCSU, OreS/OreU, Texas/OU and other "rivalry" games always sell out, get great ratings and are the best games to watch.

nascar had a history in northern cali at riverside which was a road course. watkins glen is a classic historic track and the racing aficionados. two road races out of a 36 race schedule, races which have been taken place for at least 30 years did not kill track attendance. the car of tomorrow was a major part of it. the hyper commercialization of damn near everything else during race weekend played a part. but having 36 races during the year is the major issue in your case. the reason they went to 36 races and to the major population centers like southern california, kansas city, chicago, and miami is the same reason why these conferences are going oversize- em oh en ee why. and because they got too greedy so quickly they're paying for it now. nascar chased the dollar and in return forgot about the fans that went to north wilkesboro for those two races or the rock for those two races, or for darlington for the real southern 500 on labor day weekend. it turns out that was a lot of their fanbase.

(btw, i'm a race fan but nascar rates very low on my race interests. i could be wrong with some of that nascar stuff.)

for the record, i have always been against having 16 team conferences anywhere because i think this is way too many teams for one, and the last 16 team superconference split because of similar issues. as long as congress won't be involved and no one throws in any anti trust lawsuits, this ridiculousness is going to continue until we have 4 or 5 major conferences just because of money. and i don't think those would even last because you won't be able to keep the fanbases of teams 7-16 happy because a)those coaches would only occationally contend for winning the conference in a blue moon and b)those fanbases will not stand paying ridiculous prices at the stadium watching their teams get beaten by those top teams every other year if they're in the opposite division if they're lucky.

just watch when a la carte television programming comes in. then the crazy superconferences goes away because then there won't be any money in it. the big ten network won't get those subcriber dollars from providers in non big ten cities. espn loses their ability to command those dollars for these conferences because i'd say 30-45% of current cable and satellite subscribers don't watch any espn channel.

the pursuit of money is killing college sports, which if you think about it is very ironic indeed.

Nicely done

The pisser here is, neither the France family in NASCAR, nor ESPN or the conference commissioners give two $h!ts about the fans actually paying the bills.

(11-20-2012 07:17 PM)nastar36 Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 09:03 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 05:08 AM)ctkatz Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 12:59 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 12:13 AM)smu89 Wrote:  You present a couple of good points

You have to admit that it's sheer genius though. They get to create a product to sell to viewers and companies for ad space and content to the "news" shows and network and website. What's mind blowing is that aren't really hiding it and millions have bought into the ESPN line hook, line, and sinker.

Tight local confrences with bitter rivalaries built college football to what it was till 1998 and ESPN is killing it. IMO, it won't be long before CFB starts having the issues NASCAR is having know. Falling ratings, lowering attendance and revenue.

NASCAR was a southern sport with loyal fans and the different tracks made it fun. Now most of the tracks are in "big markets" and all the same and they can't sell tickets, Nevada, Cali, Chic., Kansas, Miami, both road races, Phoenix, all the new tracks don't sell out and have the lowest ratings. T-dega, Charlotte, and the old tracks still do well. NASCAR turned it back on what made NASCAR great and bought in to the new market thing and it's not working.

There is a reason Michigan/OSU, Bama/AU, SC/Clemson, UCF/USF, FSU/Miami, UCLA/USC, Pitt/WVU, ECU/NCSU, OreS/OreU, Texas/OU and other "rivalry" games always sell out, get great ratings and are the best games to watch.

nascar had a history in northern cali at riverside which was a road course. watkins glen is a classic historic track and the racing aficionados. two road races out of a 36 race schedule, races which have been taken place for at least 30 years did not kill track attendance. the car of tomorrow was a major part of it. the hyper commercialization of damn near everything else during race weekend played a part. but having 36 races during the year is the major issue in your case. the reason they went to 36 races and to the major population centers like southern california, kansas city, chicago, and miami is the same reason why these conferences are going oversize- em oh en ee why. and because they got too greedy so quickly they're paying for it now. nascar chased the dollar and in return forgot about the fans that went to north wilkesboro for those two races or the rock for those two races, or for darlington for the real southern 500 on labor day weekend. it turns out that was a lot of their fanbase.

(btw, i'm a race fan but nascar rates very low on my race interests. i could be wrong with some of that nascar stuff.)

for the record, i have always been against having 16 team conferences anywhere because i think this is way too many teams for one, and the last 16 team superconference split because of similar issues. as long as congress won't be involved and no one throws in any anti trust lawsuits, this ridiculousness is going to continue until we have 4 or 5 major conferences just because of money. and i don't think those would even last because you won't be able to keep the fanbases of teams 7-16 happy because a)those coaches would only occationally contend for winning the conference in a blue moon and b)those fanbases will not stand paying ridiculous prices at the stadium watching their teams get beaten by those top teams every other year if they're in the opposite division if they're lucky.

just watch when a la carte television programming comes in. then the crazy superconferences goes away because then there won't be any money in it. the big ten network won't get those subcriber dollars from providers in non big ten cities. espn loses their ability to command those dollars for these conferences because i'd say 30-45% of current cable and satellite subscribers don't watch any espn channel.

the pursuit of money is killing college sports, which if you think about it is very ironic indeed.

Nicely done

The pisser here is, neither the France family in NASCAR, nor ESPN or the conference commissioners give two $h!ts about the fans actually paying the bills.

Funny thing with Bill France and the NASCAR thing, take one guess who owns all those new S***hole tracks...............

(11-20-2012 01:06 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 12:59 AM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 12:13 AM)smu89 Wrote:  

(11-19-2012 11:56 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  This is too funny, ESPN is calling foul on the NCAA and the Confrences, whille pushing them in that direction. THe problem is none of them care and most average fans don't realize it's ESPN behind it all.

You present a couple of good points

You have to admit that it's sheer genius though. They get to create a product to sell to viewers and companies for ad space and content to the "news" shows and network and website. What's mind blowing is that aren't really hiding it and millions have bought into the ESPN line hook, line, and sinker.

Tight local confrences with bitter rivalaries built college football to what it was till 1998 and ESPN is killing it. IMO, it won't be long before CFB starts having the issues NASCAR is having know. Falling ratings, lowering attendance and revenue.

NASCAR was a southern sport with loyal fans and the different tracks made it fun. Now most of the tracks are in "big markets" and all the same and they can't sell tickets, Nevada, Cali, Chic., Kansas, Miami, both road races, Phoenix, all the new tracks don't sell out and have the lowest ratings. T-dega, Charlotte, and the old tracks still do well. NASCAR turned it back on what made NASCAR great and bought in to the new market thing and it's not working.

There is a reason Michigan/OSU, Bama/AU, SC/Clemson, UCF/USF, FSU/Miami, UCLA/USC, Pitt/WVU, ECU/NCSU, OreS/OreU, Texas/OU and other "rivalry" games always sell out, get great ratings and are the best games to watch.

I don't get the nascar reference. Thats a sport expanding because it became successful. Thats like saying Baseball never should have went west to california, or NFL never should have went to the south because it started and was successful in the northeast.

This is a whole different issue.

NASCAR got away from what was making so popular, all the different tracks, North Wilkesboro, THe "Rock" (Rockingham), The Lady in Black for and bunch of "cookie cutter" 1.5 mile tracks that all run about the same. Now NASCAR's ratings are down, ticket sells are down (mainly at those new tracks). I went to Cali. to the race, saw a bunch of people stand up for about 10 laps and yell, sat down for about 30 minutes and left. The track was more than half empty and was the most boring race I've ever seen. Many of the new tracks are the same, boring as hell. My point is that NASCAR had a winning formula, different tracks with different challenges, crazy loyal fans. But, got blind by $$$ signs, Bill France builds a bunch of new tracks that he owns and takes the races away from those he doesn't own. Away from what made NASCAR great, now they are backsliding. CFB is doing the same, getting away from the formula that made it great. The close contection between schools, the rivalry games, that's what drew fans in and kept them coming back, getting away from that is what will lose them and cause CFB to slideback. The money train isn't going to go on forever, it will stop at some point. But, will CFB anything like the sport we knew...........................