Or it's recognizing the value of a program like Houston and that if Houston played in the Big XII it would be a conference contender just like it was when it played in the old Southwest Conference . . . before you slam a program, learn its history . . . you are the same school that six months ago was slamming Rutgers as a pathetic excuse for a Big East football program . . . well, you know how valid that opinion was.

(11-20-2012 11:50 AM)UHCougar Wrote:  Or it's recognizing the value of a program like Houston and that if Houston played in the Big XII it would be a conference contender just like it was when it played in the old Southwest Conference . . . before you slam a program, learn its history . . . you are the same school that six months ago was slamming Rutgers as a pathetic excuse for a Big East football program . . . well, you know how valid that opinion was.

I've never had a problem with Rutgers and I knew they'd eventually get picked up by the Big 10. And if Houston was such a great program why didn't they join the Big 12 when it was first formed and why is it they're just now being added to a major conference and why weren't they added to the Big 12 last summer?

My post was more directed at the Big East admins for allowing the newcomers to negotiate deals like this. When we joined we were happy and thankful for the invite and didn't ask for any stipulations because the previous admins with Tranghese wouldn't have agreed to them, but the ones under Marinatto did, and it's their fault we're in this mess.

(11-19-2012 01:59 PM)kmcc505 Wrote:  At this point, it'd almost be better for UH, SMU, Boise State and SDSU to go to the MWC.

oh, dear lord!!!

(11-19-2012 04:19 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  UH is joining the nBE unless the apocalypse happens:

* UH joins the Big East best-case scenario:
BIG - Maryland/Rutgers
ACC - UConn or Louisville
nBE - No other defections, and adds AFA and BYU (who are seeing the handwriting on the wall)

* UH joins the Big East worst-case scenario:
BIG - Maryland/Rutgers
ACC - UConn or Louisville (several BB schools join ACC)
BIG XII - Louisville/Cincinnati/etc.
nBE - Boise State/San Diego State/Navy back out; ECU/Tulsa/Ohio/UMass/etc. (and BB-only schools to replace defectors)

* UH joins the ACC best-case scenario:
BIG - Maryland/North Carolina/Virginia/Rutgers
BIG XII - Florida State/Clemson/North Carolina State/Louisville
ACC - UH/SMU/UConn/Cincinnati/USF/UCF

* UH joins the BIG XII in a pipe-dream scenario (for UH fans):
BIG - Maryland/Rutgers
PAC 10 - Texas/OU/Texas Tech/OSU
ACC - West Virginia or Louisville
BIG XII - UH/SMU/Boise State/Louisville or Cincinnati

* Edited to clear up some grammar, etc.

Welcome to the Big East, bro.

still luv me some BE

(11-20-2012 11:43 AM)CardsfaninLexington Wrote:  It's sad when the Big East has to stoop down to allow these stipulations just to convince a team like Houston to join.

It's called leverage. A cbssports.com article came out that stated " the Big East’s hopes for a lucrative TV contract now rest with Boise State, Connecticut, Houston and Rutgers.". Boise and Houston had the most leverage when contracts were being negotiated to join.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry...2/34756677

(11-20-2012 12:25 PM)maccoog Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 11:43 AM)CardsfaninLexington Wrote:  It's sad when the Big East has to stoop down to allow these stipulations just to convince a team like Houston to join.

It's called leverage. A cbssports.com article came out that stated " the Big East’s hopes for a lucrative TV contract now rest with Boise State, Connecticut, Houston and Rutgers.". Boise and Houston had the most leverage when contracts were being negotiated to join.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry...2/34756677

Couldn't you find something newer than an old Dennis Dodd article from February 8?

I think the new leverage will be Boise State, Louisville, Cincinnatti, and probably BYU, and a coast-to-coast conference that can put good teams on a network in all four time zones.

(11-20-2012 12:36 PM)Road Apple Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 12:25 PM)maccoog Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 11:43 AM)CardsfaninLexington Wrote:  It's sad when the Big East has to stoop down to allow these stipulations just to convince a team like Houston to join.

It's called leverage. A cbssports.com article came out that stated " the Big East’s hopes for a lucrative TV contract now rest with Boise State, Connecticut, Houston and Rutgers.". Boise and Houston had the most leverage when contracts were being negotiated to join.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry...2/34756677

Couldn't you find something newer than an old Dennis Dodd article from February 8?

I think the new leverage will be Boise State, Louisville, Cincinnatti, and probably BYU, and a coast-to-coast conference that can put good teams on a network in all four time zones.

I pulled an older article because that is what would have been in play at the time of the negotiations to join the conference. Look, I'm not trying to get into a pissing contest. I was just addressing the posters question as to why Houston would get special terms.

(11-20-2012 12:01 PM)CardsfaninLexington Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 11:50 AM)UHCougar Wrote:  Or it's recognizing the value of a program like Houston and that if Houston played in the Big XII it would be a conference contender just like it was when it played in the old Southwest Conference . . . before you slam a program, learn its history . . . you are the same school that six months ago was slamming Rutgers as a pathetic excuse for a Big East football program . . . well, you know how valid that opinion was.

. . . . And if Houston was such a great program why didn't they join the Big 12 when it was first formed and why is it they're just now being added to a major conference and why weren't they added to the Big 12 last summer?

I certainly don't want to rehash something that's been on here a million times, but the UH to the BIG XII when the Southwest Conference broke up had NOTHING to do with history, athletics success, fan base, television, etc. and EVERYTHING to do with Texas politics . . . what happened afterwards was a Board of Regents who just quite on athletics . . . I was THERE in the room . . . you had to have lived through it to know the certainty of this . . .

(11-19-2012 01:56 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Awesome. Where are you and all the other CUSA schools going to go? CUSA already has 14 teams. If you guys want to go and form your own league then by all means, the 7 BBall sure as hell ain't gonna stop you.

We want to stay to play hoops. BE or Die.

(11-20-2012 02:35 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 12:01 PM)CardsfaninLexington Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 11:50 AM)UHCougar Wrote:  Or it's recognizing the value of a program like Houston and that if Houston played in the Big XII it would be a conference contender just like it was when it played in the old Southwest Conference . . . before you slam a program, learn its history . . . you are the same school that six months ago was slamming Rutgers as a pathetic excuse for a Big East football program . . . well, you know how valid that opinion was.

. . . . And if Houston was such a great program why didn't they join the Big 12 when it was first formed and why is it they're just now being added to a major conference and why weren't they added to the Big 12 last summer?

I certainly don't want to rehash something that's been on here a million times, but the UH to the BIG XII when the Southwest Conference broke up had NOTHING to do with history, athletics success, fan base, television, etc. and EVERYTHING to do with Texas politics . . . what happened afterwards was a Board of Regents who just quite on athletics . . . I was THERE in the room . . . you had to have lived through it to know the certainty of this . . .

Yep, the Governor, the Lt. Governor and the leaders in the State Legislature were friendlies to Baylor and Tech. UH had no chance.

Political pull wins, apathy in the UH admin office loses. I hated those years and hated the idea of CUSA even more.

Now I'm thankful for CUSA and the home UH has had there over the years . . . looks like we're either going back to the old CUSA (nBE) or falling into some version of the Mountain West if all these moves unfold.

(11-20-2012 12:36 PM)Road Apple Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 12:25 PM)maccoog Wrote:  

(11-20-2012 11:43 AM)CardsfaninLexington Wrote:  It's sad when the Big East has to stoop down to allow these stipulations just to convince a team like Houston to join.

It's called leverage. A cbssports.com article came out that stated " the Big East’s hopes for a lucrative TV contract now rest with Boise State, Connecticut, Houston and Rutgers.". Boise and Houston had the most leverage when contracts were being negotiated to join.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry...2/34756677

Couldn't you find something newer than an old Dennis Dodd article from February 8?

I think the new leverage will be Boise State, Louisville, Cincinnatti, and probably BYU, and a coast-to-coast conference that can put good teams on a network in all four time zones.

It was a negotiaton. Everyone got an agreement they liked. The Big East was a risk. They only had 5 teams and everyone of them was trying to get out. lol....doesnt a simple at look at the current situation kinda explain why...

If you really look at it the NBE even with what is going on is more solid than what we all joined a few months back. The BE will likely lose 2, and add 2 in the West and one in the east. It will once again pull some cream off the top of CUSA/MWC which will continue its position over them, and move on. Biggest difference will likely be TV deal. We probably will lose 2 to 5 mil off what we would have recieved. In stead of 10 to 15 all sports, will end up 7 to 10. Travel cost in the west will be greatly reduced and FB only's will still get 5 mil or more.

(11-20-2012 11:43 AM)CardsfaninLexington Wrote:  It's sad when the Big East has to stoop down to allow these stipulations just to convince a team like Houston to join.

Not really. The clause is for a decline in revenue from 2012 to 2013. Under the current contracts, that's in the neighborhood of $32M basketball plus $13.3M football, totalling about $45M. Does anyone think that in this marketplace, no matter who the Big East loses, the total contract is less than $40M? No. So what difference does it make?

Putting in a clause that translates as "if something inconceivable happens, Houston can back out for a $1M payment instead of a $5M payment" really is an ant fart in a $#!+storm. This is a business arrangement, not a marriage, so don't worry about hypotheticals like whether UH would still love us if we were in an accident and didn't have arms legs or a ***** anymore.

Houston is going no where. They are staying with the other city schools.