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RE: Highest Ranked Non-AQ Champ gets guaranteed access
$7.3 Billion over 12 year = 608,333,333 per year
20% is 121,666,666
That would give you about $2 Million per year if divided completely even.
However, If rep points used would give the Sun Belt nothing. Surely they wouldn't do that.

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P.S. - Don't think that that is the reason FCS teams want to move to FBS. Think it is the same reasons as it has been.
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McMurphy tweeted that the media rights deal with ESPN is worth $475 million per year over 12 years. If the Belt gets 1% of that, we're at $4.75 million a year. I think 1% is a worst case scenario honestly.

Also, the "Group of Five" highest ranked champion is selected from the list of rankings that a selection committee will put together.
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So you are saying each Sun Belt team would receive $475,000 per school that way. The conference makes more than that now would think.
Plus, you know if the nBE is involved they will try to get as large a share of the prize as they can. Especially since they are losing that AQ status.
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(11-12-2012 03:52 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  So you are saying each Sun Belt team would receive $475,000 per school that way. The conference makes more than that now would think.
Plus, you know if the nBE is involved they will try to get as large a share of the prize as they can. Especially since they are losing that AQ status.

Current deal is $155 million annually I believe, so you're talking about tripling the payout overall. Not sure what our percentage payout is over the past few years or how much it will change though.
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(11-12-2012 03:52 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  So you are saying each Sun Belt team would receive $475,000 per school that way. The conference makes more than that now would think.
Plus, you know if the nBE is involved they will try to get as large a share of the prize as they can. Especially since they are losing that AQ status.

$475,000 would be a big jump from what each Sun Belt team makes right now. Last time i checked we were only making $250,000 per team. This new system can only help the conference considering how minute the amount of money we receive.
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(11-12-2012 04:11 PM)CivilEng Wrote:  
(11-12-2012 03:52 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  So you are saying each Sun Belt team would receive $475,000 per school that way. The conference makes more than that now would think.
Plus, you know if the nBE is involved they will try to get as large a share of the prize as they can. Especially since they are losing that AQ status.

$475,000 would be a big jump from what each Sun Belt team makes right now. Last time i checked we were only making $250,000 per team. This new system can only help the conference considering how minute the amount of money we receive.

Not to mention we have a guaranteed way into a premier bowl game.
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(11-12-2012 02:10 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  
(11-12-2012 02:04 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  80% goes to Top 5 conferences, 20% will be split by BEast, CUSA, MWC, Sun Belt, and the MAC. It has not yet been determined if it will be split evenly or weighted to the conferences' past success.

Seems like it would be improper to weight it according to past success given conference realignment.

It will likely be past success, but from what they have said it will be only counting teams that are going to be in your league going forward, not people that used to be there. It sounds like though they are going to go all the way back to the start of the BCS in 1998 to determine those numbers, which is a good thing for C-USA as we'd get to include Tulane's undefeated season, a couple of USM's really good years, and a couple of Marshall's really good years.
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(11-12-2012 04:13 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(11-12-2012 02:10 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  
(11-12-2012 02:04 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  80% goes to Top 5 conferences, 20% will be split by BEast, CUSA, MWC, Sun Belt, and the MAC. It has not yet been determined if it will be split evenly or weighted to the conferences' past success.

Seems like it would be improper to weight it according to past success given conference realignment.

It will likely be past success, but from what they have said it will be only counting teams that are going to be in your league going forward, not people that used to be there. It sounds like though they are going to go all the way back to the start of the BCS in 1998 to determine those numbers, which is a good thing for C-USA as we'd get to include Tulane's undefeated season, a couple of USM's really good years, and a couple of Marshall's really good years.

If they do that then the nBE would get almost 5 times as much as CUSA, so not sure CUSA would be happy with that. Nor would the Sun Belt with 0%. This per the article:

"Awarding 25 points for first place, 24 for second, etc., for those annual rankings, the SEC ranks first with 1,054 points, followed by the Big Ten (860), Big 12 (816), ACC (673) and Pac-12 (671). Then there's a huge drop to the Group of Five -- the Big East (240), C-USA (49), MWC (58), Mid-American (21) and Sun Belt (0)."
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(11-12-2012 04:26 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  "Awarding 25 points for first place, 24 for second, etc., for those annual rankings, the SEC ranks first with 1,054 points, followed by the Big Ten (860), Big 12 (816), ACC (673) and Pac-12 (671). Then there's a huge drop to the Group of Five -- the Big East (240), C-USA (49), MWC (58), Mid-American (21) and Sun Belt (0)."

Again, I think that point system was just used to separate the power 5 from the group of 5. There's obviously no way the Sun Belt will get 0%. I think something like that will be used, but not those numbers by themselves.
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Completely agree with you. Sun Belt could never agree to that. Would think even the other four conferences would have a mercy rule and at least divide half of it on a number of teams or equal conference basis. If not there is going to be some yelling going on.
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(11-12-2012 04:26 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(11-12-2012 04:13 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(11-12-2012 02:10 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  
(11-12-2012 02:04 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  80% goes to Top 5 conferences, 20% will be split by BEast, CUSA, MWC, Sun Belt, and the MAC. It has not yet been determined if it will be split evenly or weighted to the conferences' past success.

Seems like it would be improper to weight it according to past success given conference realignment.

It will likely be past success, but from what they have said it will be only counting teams that are going to be in your league going forward, not people that used to be there. It sounds like though they are going to go all the way back to the start of the BCS in 1998 to determine those numbers, which is a good thing for C-USA as we'd get to include Tulane's undefeated season, a couple of USM's really good years, and a couple of Marshall's really good years.

If they do that then the nBE would get almost 5 times as much as CUSA, so not sure CUSA would be happy with that. Nor would the Sun Belt with 0%. This per the article:

"Awarding 25 points for first place, 24 for second, etc., for those annual rankings, the SEC ranks first with 1,054 points, followed by the Big Ten (860), Big 12 (816), ACC (673) and Pac-12 (671). Then there's a huge drop to the Group of Five -- the Big East (240), C-USA (49), MWC (58), Mid-American (21) and Sun Belt (0)."

I don't think they are going to do that for all of the revenue. My guess is each of the 5 leagues will get a guaranteed amount and then the rest will be split by past performance. I'm not saying it's great overall for C-USA, but what is good is that if they are going to use that method that they are going to go all the way back to 98, as that allows C-USA to count some good years by teams at the beginning of the BCS. C-USA numbers if you started it later would look much worse.
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What I find funny is that the only group this really hurt is the schools that moved up to the BE. I would not be shocked to see an eventual split in the BE and more importantly the wording on valuing past championships most likely makes FSU still in play. There is still some meat on the bone to move the B12 to 12 or more and that will pretty much finally kill the BE.

What is the strangest thing in all of this is that what happens to the UH's SMU's and Memphis' of the realignment world if the BE is DOA. Does this finally force a legit restructuring of all the non-auto 5 conference on geographical lines?

Regardless the schools might be getting a bigger payout now, but that is because the pie got bigger. In the long run this most likely hurt the overall exposure and pockets of the non auto schools more than in comparison if the same flawed system we have now was kept but the payout increased. The APR inclusion most likely hurts the small schools more than the the Big auto schools because how the transfer rules are written.
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Remember everyone, Memphis is too good to play at an SBC school now that they are a member of a power conference. Poor things.
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(11-12-2012 12:55 PM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  
(11-12-2012 12:29 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  LOL Memphis! Welcome back to the group of 5!

Expect Louisville, USF, UConn, and Rutgers to jump ship ASAP.

In order to jump ship, there needs to be a ship to "jump to".

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I think the Sun Belt was among the biggest winners in this deal, because -- I don't care what any BE fanboy says, the playing field has been leveled to where the Sun Belt (who does NOT have a championship game, correct?) can recruit on equal footing with the Big East.

Same goes for the MAC.
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(11-12-2012 12:55 PM)FAUAEPi Wrote:  
(11-12-2012 12:29 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  LOL Memphis! Welcome back to the group of 5!

Expect Louisville, USF, UConn, and Rutgers to jump ship ASAP. The though of these schools being on the same level as rivals such as WKU, UCF, UMass, and uhmmm whoever is a rival with Rutgers, while drive their admins and fans bonkers.

And where are they jumping to?
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Louisville to B12. Rutgers and UConn to ACC. USF? 'em..no.
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