Might as well continue the political discussions.

Who do the Dems and Reps have as their ace for 2016?

I'm wondering if the Republicans convince Marco Rubio to run.

Obviously a ton can happen between now and then but I'll take a stab

GOP:
Marco Rubio makes the most sense to put Florida in the win column and the Latino vote back into play. He is incredibly popular in his home state and the Jeb Bush people love him. His problem is that he might end up as the chief GOP dealmaker on immigration reform which could hurt him with the base. Rand Paul has a near cult like following on the far right is seen as anti establishment and might be very powerful if taxation become the big division in 3 years. Romney out performed McCain in coal country and Rand is right in the heart of that new GOP stronghold of Kentucky, WV and Tennessee. He could put PA and OH into play without relying on social conservatives to do it since his appeal is very libertarian yet mainstream conservative enough to not be a fringe candidate like his father. He is also a dogged campaigner. I think Paul Ryan has been damaged by not helping Romney electorally, Cristie clearly sees his future in NJ and might be more worried about a race with Corey Booker in 2014 and Scott Walker's star has faded a good deal already.

Dem:
I think Hillary can get it if she wants it, but she is getting older and I don't know what she plans to do the next 4 years to stay relevant with voters. She'll be a quarter century past the 92 campaign in 2016. Martin O'Malley is going to pursue it very hard, he is a blue state governor and an effective campaigner. Socially liberal and fiscally moderate, he's balanced budgets and stayed out of the national fray while still serving as one of Obama's more trusted surrogates. Elizabeth Warren might receive a push on the far left but I doubt she would be prepared for that, and Andrew Cumo will probably dip his toe in the water. Joe Biden is a bit too old and his primary runs have been terribly unsuccessful, I can't see him trying again.

Won't matter who the Republicans run. The 51% would elect Kwame Kilpatrick if he were on the Dem ticket and the MSM would make him out to be a model citizen. It's over EA, the boobs, do gooders, and takers are the permanent majority. Open your wallet and fork it over.

Yes, Dip, we get it. You no longer have faith in the American citizenry. Now please stop posting if you don't have any new analysis to share. Personally, I don't think Republicans have a chance again unless they change, or at least relax, their platform on social issues and move away from the Evangelical nutjobs in their base. I think those people are a huge turnoff for most rational thinking, educated and successful independents, who could invariably swing the vote on who holds the oval office to the right, in spite of Dips' boobs, do gooders and takers.

Clinton/Clinton 2016!

(11-08-2012 03:25 PM)tayles mullet Wrote:  Yes, Dip, we get it. You no longer have faith in the American citizenry. Now please stop posting if you don't have any new analysis to share. Personally, I don't think Republicans have a chance again unless they change, or at least relax, their platform on social issues and move away from the Evangelical nutjobs in their base. I think those people are a huge turnoff for most rational thinking, educated and successful independents, who could invariably swing the vote on who holds the oval office to the right, in spite of Dips' boobs, do gooders and takers.

Yes, they must change. They must become big spenders, appeal to free loaders, and open the borders to anyone who wants in, because after all, a whopping 51% of boobs, takers, and do gooders have set the agenda for the the 49% of producers.

Sure you don't want to hear this, and that's exactly why I'm pointing it out. The 51%'s of dolts and dumbbells have been fooled into believing that hard work is bad, people of religion are a danger, and that losers, criminals, and takers are simply misunderstood and need your help.................as long as it isn't you and your money that actually helps them.

Wall St. loving the good news of the Obama do over. Dow down 422 points in two days. :domokun:

Wow, Dip. You are another example of what is wrong with your party - completely out of touch with reality. Maybe you need to take a break from posting for awhile, gather your thoughts, and get yourself together. Because honestly, as one of your 51%, that is one of the most ridiculous, emotionally driven generalities I have ever read.

I was trying to say that the independents among your "51-percent" who are hard-working, educated and successful (like myself) and could tip the scales Republican, are turned off by the party's stance on things like gay marriage (Who gives a crap and what is effected by two consenting adults falling in love and getting hitched? Because it offends your interpretation of Bible scripture?) and reproductive rights (already been heavily debated and ruled upon. It's not changing.). Slave owners, segregists, and woman oppressors have attempted to use the Bible to defend their social views in the past as well and I despise those elements in the Republican party, even though I align with much of the rest of what they stand for, i.e gun rights, conservative spending, small gov't.

You can see through the proposition election results that America is maturing IMHO when it comes to social issues like pot legalization (less harmful than alcohol legalization) and gay marriage and bottom line is the Republican party needs to embrace that evolution within our country in order to stay in the game and I hope they do.

Quote:I was trying to say that the independents among your "51-percent" who are hard-working, educated and successful (like myself) and could tip the scales Republican, are turned off by the party's stance on things like gay marriage (Who gives a **** what is effected by two consenting adults falling in love and getting hitched? Because it offends your interpretation of Bible scripture?) and reproductive rights (already been heavily debated and ruled upon. It's not changing.). Slave owners, segregists, and woman oppressors have attempted to use the Bible to defend their social views in the past as well and I despise those elements in the Republican party, even though I align with much of the rest of what they stand for, i.e gun rights, conservative spending, small gov't.

Really, if Gay Marriage tipped the scale to Obama we're worse off than I thought. After all he only changed his position on that 5 minutes ago, and only because Biden opened his yap on Meet the Press. Flip flop flip flop.

But really, did you really vote on Gay Marriage? Was it a big priority in either parties campaign? Only if you are stupid enough to be sucked in by the moronic DNC ads. This is, and always will be a state issue. Way to get distracted.

You equate the RNC advocating for the Catholic church as a far right position? The Catholic Church isn't stopping anyone from using birth control, they simply don't want to pay for it. Why isn't the DNC and NOW out there hounding the Muslim faith to be more tolerant of women? Oh yeah, because that wouldn't play politically in spite of the obvious hypocrisy.

The issues you speak to are not even in play at the federal level, and neither party advocates them. The issue was the economy. You remember don't you....................massive unemployment, huge debt.

Note to self: The 51%ers are easily distracted by small issues.

If we are all supposed to vote on unemployment and the debt then you must have chosen Al Gore over George W. Bush in 2000 right? And everyone who doesn't vote on your two chosen metrics are idiots? The debt which both parties ran up, and unemployment which is ticking downward through no help from government hiring. We should ignore anyone else's role in this situation except President Obama's. Though if you care about civil rights for all Americans and women's equality in healthcare coverage then you are easily distracted.

Or to paraphrase:
Vote Republican you lazy bums because this election is about what we say its about!

I can't imagine how this philosophy has not become a majority opinion. It's so logical and inclusive, it takes all those other issues and just pretends they don't exist. It's so easy. What could the problem possibly be?

I think the 2016 that most embodies that view is Jim DeMint. He might give it a go too.

My projection for 2016

I see a far left loon like Jerry Brown in a landslide. Jerry will run on how he ran California into bankruptcy and got the feds to bail him out. He'll throw in how opening up pot retailers on every corner has done wonders for the states economy.

Brown will run on a Pot tax for the rich, where in the rich will be taxed to pay for free pot for lower income people.

The Republicans will run Paul Ryan who will try to dazzle the 51%ers with numbers, only to see them scratch their heads in confusion. Brown will run thousands of commercials showing Ryan to have stood outside abortion clinics with a shotgun, and shooting any woman who dared to go inside.

The 51%ers now become the 55%ers, as the dumbing down of America marches on.

I disagree:

-Jerry Brown ran for president twice and didn't do very well either time.
-California was in a bad fiscal situation before he took office.
-Marijuana is a controlled substance and would take an act of Congress to decriminalize and since the Republican led redistricting in many states will probably keep the chamber in GOP hands for at least 3 more cycles.
- Paul Ryan failed to deliver his home state, his numbers don't add up for debt reduction and he will be most likely trying for a career in the House leadership.
- Americans are becoming quantifiably smarter with more college graduates than any time in the nations history as well as technical skills and technological aptitudes at all time highs according to the General Social Survey.

Quote:Jerry Brown ran for president twice and didn't do very well either time.

Times have changed. Jerry's in the mainstream now. :domokun:

Quote:-California was in a bad fiscal situation before he took office.

Fiscal problem, phhhht. Nothing that can't be solved by raising taxes on the rich, gas, cell phones, electrical fees, printing more money, borrowing from China.

Quote:Marijuana is a controlled substance

Come on, we're talking for medical purposes (wink wink nudge nudge)

Quote:Paul Ryan failed to deliver his home state, his numbers don't add up for debt reduction and he will be most likely trying for a career in the House leadership.

Paul's first mistake was trying to talk logically to the 51%. When he throws in numbers you can see their eyes glaze over, and a quick return to twittering on their Iphones.

Quote:Americans are becoming quantifiably smarter with more college graduates

Right. More kids are going to college, and more are getting worthless degrees only to take jobs in fields they could have joined with a high school diploma. I know of three in my family with degrees in Political Science GVSU (manages a Pizza Hut), Meteorology CMU (works in her moms coffee shop), and Woman's studies WMU (works as a receptionist at a plastics company.) My neighbor is a nursing instructor at KVCC. She basically weeds out the idiots before they apply to nursing. She regularly has to break up fights and deal with behavior issues. Her point. There's a large group of kids entering college who have no business being there.

Let's get down to brass tacks here, Dip. The poor white folks that make up a large chunk of the "takers" still vote Republican for social reasons. So what you're really getting at but don't want to come out and say is that those damned darkies and Mexicans are voting, not for my guy, and White America is doomed because they spit out more kids. Just go and whip out your barely concealed racism, because we can all see it anyway.

I looked at Ryan's numbers...they were crap. It was just cuts to the social safety net and tax cuts that would somehow mystically raise revenue and then they threw in a bunch of random new military spending. He had a debt reduction plan that wouldn't even balance for the FY much less pay down the debt. Just because he was able to dazzle some people who bought into a faith based economic program with a power point slide or two doesn't make him some kind of professor. Besides after all that they got hammered all over the midwest. I think he is a one trick pony that couldn't deliver what he promised and he won't be running for office outside of this congressional district again.

Like it or not, you can either look at life thru the wind shield, or the rear view mirror.

Rear view mirror gets you being a bug on the wind shield.

Since Repubs are determined to go totally Right-Wing, Tea Party Conservative next election -

They'll run McConnell or Boehner.

If not maybe Rushbo or Coulter!

I think they'll prop up Santorum.

(11-08-2012 07:49 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  I think they'll prop up Santorum.

Or Christie.

He resembles-sounds like Rushbo.