(11-06-2012 11:43 PM)Campbell4President Wrote:  I'm a little emotionally tired after this game. I feel real bad for DF who was a workhorse with a great night but unfortunately still came away with the loss. I just really hate this defense we play. It's a scared defense: scared to take risks due to the chance of giving up the "big play." I think the defensive players deserve better. They are really good (the LBs) but we don't allow them to be LBs. Oh well, I always knew that mentality would eventually catch up to them but I guess I hoped that it wouldn't somehow. Going forward, we should not recruit any more LBs and only recruit a ton of safeties if we are going to stick with this scheme.

FWIW, I am amazed at how good we have been this season against the run game overall with the scheme. It requires the guys to close quickly and I'm sure I'm in the minority for thinking this but I'm impressed with what our DL is able to do to get even a tinge of pressure here and there but also against the run considering their lack of backup from the LBs.

Exactly. Wait til we see what niu does to this defense. Not gonna be pretty.


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We don't have much true Div 1 talent on this defense--there are MANY, MANY defensive players on other teams in the MAC whom I wish we had here.

But D is not our only problem--just the most obvious & glaring one. While we have a running game, the passing game has pretty much disappeared. Reedy has great moments, and then he flat-out disappears for stretches of the game...we need to page Russell and see if he's even showing up at the stadium anymore,,,and we should put a picture of the TE on a bunch of milk cartons--you know, "Have you seen me?". Play calling has been abysmal most of every game this season.

After seeing this effort, we will lose to Northern. Guaranteed. The talent gap is just too big, and we make too many stupid mental & physical mistakes to overcome that. And I do not have faith in this coaching staff to get the wheels back on in time. Go ahead and put my message up in the locker room--this team needs to get some motivation, drive & heart from somewhere, because they have underperformed in almost everu quarter of every game this season--even the wins. So, the season is pretty much over. Hopefully, we don't make Akron's season (although we are capable of playing that poorly)...likely finish the regular season with 9 wins, and We'll get a token bowl this season, maybe even win it. But the "special season" is gone. Bring on basketball.

We have lots of D1 talent...we just don't put them in the best spot to succeed.

So the election and game didn't go my way, but hey, no trains crashed into my house tonight and I still have all five limbs.... So, life could be worse.

In basketball, they do that image analysis where the points come from. Is there something similar for receptions?

Missing WR's might also be on the QB or the play calling.

Somewhere, we've lost the over the middle slot receiver that gave us the high passing percentage and ball control. The scheme seems set up to open up Reedy using blocking by the other receivers but this lets the D focus both on one WR and one side of the field. Owens has to spread the ball to different spots and different receivers but mostly I think we need that 7-15 yarder over the middle that Page gave us.

(11-06-2012 11:23 PM)Stpetebeachrocketfan Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 11:20 PM)DSV27 Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 11:18 PM)Rockets1 Wrote:  Let down again... I'm so sick of this underachievement.

Our inability to put any pressure on the QB is amazing. Our Defense sucks and we were out coached tonight.

Agree 100 percent. And all the stupid penalties. The ranking got to their head. We will still have a good year so that is good. I feel bad for the team.

It is time for our Defense to start playing aggressive. You play soft conservative D when your offense is weak. It is time to "pin your ears back" and start putting the pressure on the opposing offense. I don't think we ran a stunt with the D front the whole night. We are just happy "dancing' with the O-line and playing soft coverage no matter the talent level of the receivers. Didn't really see any speed burners on BSU. We just are happing letting them play 5-10 yard pitch and catch all night. No adjustments made by our staff all night. BSU's staff made adjustments at Half and basically shut down our run run in the second half. Last night's game may have been one of the most frustrating Rocket games I have ever watched ( including last year NIU loss). There is no excuse for last night. UT came in flat and uninspired and wasn't ready to play. How is that possible when you come in ranked #25 on National TV? How may opportunities does a mid major MAC program get to be be in that position? Not many. If we come out next week the same soft Defensive game plan, we get blown out. It has been way to many years that we have not been able to win the MAC. No question in my mind that UT has the best talent in the MAC. The fact that we have not been bale to blow any teams out this year has concerned me and had a bad gut feeling about this game.

(11-07-2012 12:19 AM)Carolina Rocket Wrote:  So the election and game didn't go my way, but hey, no trains crashed into my house tonight and I still have all five limbs.... So, life could be worse.

Bad night all together, but agree we must focus on the positives in life.

If anyone told me Wenning would throw three INTs and win and I wouldn't believed it. Too many flags which cost us, although the love tap by Reedy was hardly flag worthy IMO. The Rockets had this game but let it get away.

some glaring issues with this team concept. Defense looked very bad 1st 2 series, but then made adjustments.( Watching this game killed me with my son bein on sideline.) The offense with 3 and outs-start 2nd half twice
-def 3 picks
-couple big stops w/ turnovers
-4th and 1, love the call but gotta get points
-flu moster game again
-TO running down the fumble all heart
-alot of teams giving up alot of points in an offense driven league
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but to blame defense as harshly as alot of posters are is wrong. The D did a pretty good job after the rough start and over all against a highly motivated Ball st you have to give credit to them also. This game didn't turn out like we wanted, but hopefully learning experience. Not making excuses for the D but to blast just the D is wrong. Its team loss just like the wins. Learn and go out and win next week and all will be forgotten.

-also some dropped balls
-alot of plays cost us this game

lets support this team like we should and they deserve. They earned it and need it

thanks for letting me ramble and if you don't like it I don't care
We need to be focused for next week

(11-07-2012 10:50 AM)cleague40 Wrote:  some glaring issues with this team concept. Defense looked very bad 1st 2 series, but then made adjustments.( Watching this game killed me with my son bein on sideline.) The offense with 3 and outs-start 2nd half twice
-def 3 picks
-couple big stops w/ turnovers
-4th and 1, love the call but gotta get points
-flu moster game again
-TO running down the fumble all heart
-alot of teams giving up alot of points in an offense driven league
-

but to blame defense as harshly as alot of posters are is wrong. The D did a pretty good job after the rough start and over all against a highly motivated Ball st you have to give credit to them also. This game didn't turn out like we wanted, but hopefully learning experience. Not making excuses for the D but to blast just the D is wrong. Its team loss just like the wins. Learn and go out and win next week and all will be forgotten.

-also some dropped balls
-alot of plays cost us this game

lets support this team like we should and they deserve. They earned it and need it

thanks for letting me ramble and if you don't like it I don't care
We need to be focused for next week

I dont think anyone is blaming the D (players) specifically, more the Defensive game plan and lack of in game adjustment made.

NYPD coaches family grew up in statin island and wanted to they they are bein thought of after hurricane Sandy

I know alot of posters have been hard on the D and I think frustration is with the scheme but lets look at whole pic. O is not as dominate as lprevious years. We had 524 yard of O and Ball st had low 400. Team loss is tough to handle going into final weeks of play.Young coaches hopefully make adjustments, but the heart of the kids can't be questioned.

I'm one of the ones blaming the D - but not the players, I'm blaming the scheme they are put in. Our D has the talent, it is just not being utilized. It's like our coaches don't have confidence in them. I believe that we have some of the most talented defensive players in the MAC, but if they aren't put in the best position to make plays, there is nothing they can do.

So after about the 15th curl pass Ball State completed, why the hell didn't the UT DBs play just a LITTLE bit closer to the wideouts??? All game, our DBs were giving their wideouts at least 10 yards off the line of scrimmage. That was just ridiculous and uncalled for. The coaches should have realized this and forced their DBs to start up at the line. I was so sick of seeing open receiver after open receiver.

(11-07-2012 11:54 AM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  So after about the 15th curl pass Ball State completed, why the hell didn't the UT DBs play just a LITTLE bit closer to the wideouts??? All game, our DBs were giving their wideouts at least 10 yards off the line of scrimmage. That was just ridiculous and uncalled for. The coaches should have realized this and forced their DBs to start up at the line. I was so sick of seeing open receiver after open receiver.

It's not going to change. Campbell has said this is how we are going to play on defense. We are playing in a way so that our defense doesn't give up big plays. Instead, we are waiting for the offense to make a mistake. This is dumb. We need to make our own luck, not hope for some luck.

I don't know if it's the scheme or the players, I just want to get some pressure on the QB. Wenning was WAY to comfortable last night. Our DL's line up CFL style (1 yard off the ball, but that's required in Canada), don't explode, don't blow anyone back, don't beat the block. Could be the kids, could be the coaching... I don't know.

If a receiver has a chance to change direction four times on a route before the ball is thrown, he WILL beat his man (think backyard football... or Madden).

agree with last 4 statements 100%. Hopefully coaching staff takes all these insightful comments (sarcastic) and makes adjustments or the season will end up bein a long dissappointment. Like I said there were alot of plays off and def that hurt. Ball St is really good Off so I thought we just didn't make enough plays. We have to learn from this.

(11-07-2012 11:44 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  I'm one of the ones blaming the D - but not the players, I'm blaming the scheme they are put in. Our D has the talent, it is just not being utilized. It's like our coaches don't have confidence in them. I believe that we have some of the most talented defensive players in the MAC, but if they aren't put in the best position to make plays, there is nothing they can do.

Agree

(11-07-2012 11:05 AM)DSV27 Wrote:  

(11-07-2012 10:50 AM)cleague40 Wrote:  some glaring issues with this team concept. Defense looked very bad 1st 2 series, but then made adjustments.( Watching this game killed me with my son bein on sideline.) The offense with 3 and outs-start 2nd half twice
-def 3 picks
-couple big stops w/ turnovers
-4th and 1, love the call but gotta get points
-flu moster game again
-TO running down the fumble all heart
-alot of teams giving up alot of points in an offense driven league
-

but to blame defense as harshly as alot of posters are is wrong. The D did a pretty good job after the rough start and over all against a highly motivated Ball st you have to give credit to them also. This game didn't turn out like we wanted, but hopefully learning experience. Not making excuses for the D but to blast just the D is wrong. Its team loss just like the wins. Learn and go out and win next week and all will be forgotten.

-also some dropped balls
-alot of plays cost us this game

lets support this team like we should and they deserve. They earned it and need it

thanks for letting me ramble and if you don't like it I don't care
We need to be focused for next week

I dont think anyone is blaming the D (players) specifically, more the Defensive game plan and lack of in game adjustment made.

I want to clarify that just because I'm not convinced we have some of the best talent on the league on D doesn't mean that I blame the players. Heck, there are MANY things I am not talented in. But heart generally only wins you one game a year (Cincy?). I just cannot convince myself that an entire coaching staff, this far into the season, wouldn't have made changes by now if we had the talent to do something different...

When you are on an 8 game winning streak, you dont make major changes. You try to work on fundamentals and continue to tweak what you are doing. If the coaches felt we had the personnel to play tighter than I have to assume we would. Maybe all spring and during practice our offense was able to exploit weaknesses of our defense. Therefore, instead of big plays happening during the season game after game, the staff has decide to play the percentages and come up with a defensive plan that gives us the best chance to be successful over a 12 game regular season. If you evaluated Ball States offense based on where their drives started, I think they were one of the few teams this year who had better position than Toledo. The percentages go up if that is true. Just rambling, tired of talking about this crap. So long.