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Why is everyone outside the state of Bama reading the Dothan Eagle? Lol
Your the second one today on this board from another school other than Troy to post from Dothan
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(07-24-2012 11:48 AM)panama Wrote:  http://www2.dothaneagle.com/sports/2012/...r-4191671/

Thanks for the link ;0)
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(07-24-2012 12:55 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Why is everyone outside the state of Bama reading the Dothan Eagle? Lol
Your the second one today on this board from another school other than Troy to post from Dothan

I have Google alerts set to "GSU Football" so it cam up this morning on the list. Plus I have always wanted to visit Dothan.

One of those is true.
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There really isn't much to Dothan. It a city of about 120k.... It's close to the beach and 45mins south of Troy. Which Troy has a large campus in Dothan. Other than that it's a typical southern city. Its probably the only Larger Alabama city that's probably mostly Troy fans rather than bama or barn fans.
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(07-24-2012 01:03 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  There really isn't much to Dothan. It a city of about 120k.... It's close to the beach and 45mins south of Troy. Which Troy has a large campus in Dothan. Other than that it's a typical southern city. Its probably the only Larger Alabama city that's probably mostly Troy fans rather than bama or barn fans.

reread his post... he was joking about wanting to visit Dothan. It is a nice little town, but just a typical southern city.

Everyone shared SBC beat writer twitter accounts about a week ago. That is why you see other teams fans posting articles and tweets from other teams.

I have really enjoyed the FAU/WKU/TROY (obviously TROY's, haha) beat writers twitter updates.
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I know of Dothan because of the Panama connection. A lot of Americans moved to Panama to work last century and when the Canal Zone was being turned over to Panama many moved back to te states and settled in Dothan. Weird.
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I went to Rip Hewes Stadium in Dothan to watch South play Edward Waters in 2010.

The Wiregrass Invitational.
Too bad the stadium isn't bigger.

We had a blast.

EW Purple Thunder was awesome!
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(07-24-2012 01:28 PM)panama Wrote:  I know of Dothan because of the Panama connection. A lot of Americans moved to Panama to work last century and when the Canal Zone was being turned over to Panama many moved back to te states and settled in Dothan. Weird.

The Federal Court that handled all the cases in the Canal Zone was the Southern District Court in Mobile.
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(07-24-2012 01:28 PM)panama Wrote:  I know of Dothan because of the Panama connection. A lot of Americans moved to Panama to work last century and when the Canal Zone was being turned over to Panama many moved back to te states and settled in Dothan. Weird.

The Federal Court that handled all the cases in the Canal Zone was the Southern District Court in Mobile.

Was a particularly weird situation. A defacto state of the United States abroad. Had its own police force, courts and US Postal ofices and zip code. A Panamanian citizen could be arrested tried, convicted and imprisoned in the U.S. Canal Zone within the Republic of Panama.
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(07-24-2012 03:19 PM)panama Wrote:  
(07-24-2012 03:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-24-2012 01:28 PM)panama Wrote:  I know of Dothan because of the Panama connection. A lot of Americans moved to Panama to work last century and when the Canal Zone was being turned over to Panama many moved back to te states and settled in Dothan. Weird.

The Federal Court that handled all the cases in the Canal Zone was the Southern District Court in Mobile.

Was a particularly weird situation. A defacto state of the United States abroad. Had its own police force, courts and US Postal ofices and zip code. A Panamanian citizen could be arrested tried, convicted and imprisoned in the U.S. Canal Zone within the Republic of Panama.

Its a fascinating piece of history itself. We tried to obtain the rights from Columbia, who controlled Panama at the time. They wouldnt sign off on the treaty, so we supported a rebellion with a naval blockade. The rebellion might have been over in 24 hours as Columbia had little way to get past our blockade to get troops there, and those already stationed there were pretty much bribed to lay down arms. Panama dxeclared independence and a few days later their French ambassador to the US signed a treaty for the Canal without authorization from his country

The Canal Zone itself was as close as any US Territory ever came to Socialism. Citizens all worked for the company that ran the canal or the government. Housing was applied for and assigned to citizens. The US Government for about 30 years wouldnt even declare children born their as citizens. Not to mention that racism was rampant as Southern Europeans and Native blacks were paid much less then Northern European and American Whites, with no chance at promotion.

Very strange situation.
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Believe me I know. I used to live there. The Canal Zone Company had more power than any stateside entity has ever had. They could literally get you excommunicated from the Zone for any offense. There was also forced segregation until President Carter ended it in 1976.

As for Panamanian history, a little know part is that from 1850 to 1904 there were 55 rebellions against Colombia. On two occasions we actually broke away only to be reigned in. You also cannot discount the impact of 1000 days from 1899 to 1902. It was a bloody war between Liberals and Conservatives in Colombia and by extension Panama. Tens of thousands dead. When it ended the Panamanian Liberal leader Victoriano Lorenzo refused surrender until Panama was granted autonomy. They caught him and gave him a mock trial and shot him by firing squad and in an instant created a martyr. That was the point of no return. Whether by American blockade or other means there was no turning back. Also the same U.S.S. Washington that preserved Panamanian independence was used to preserve Colombia's hold on Panama a month earlier. It was only after Colombia would not sign a treaty that the U.S. flipped allegiances.
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(07-24-2012 05:48 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(07-24-2012 03:19 PM)panama Wrote:  
(07-24-2012 03:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-24-2012 01:28 PM)panama Wrote:  I know of Dothan because of the Panama connection. A lot of Americans moved to Panama to work last century and when the Canal Zone was being turned over to Panama many moved back to te states and settled in Dothan. Weird.

The Federal Court that handled all the cases in the Canal Zone was the Southern District Court in Mobile.

Was a particularly weird situation. A defacto state of the United States abroad. Had its own police force, courts and US Postal ofices and zip code. A Panamanian citizen could be arrested tried, convicted and imprisoned in the U.S. Canal Zone within the Republic of Panama.

Its a fascinating piece of history itself. We tried to obtain the rights from Columbia, who controlled Panama at the time. They wouldnt sign off on the treaty, so we supported a rebellion with a naval blockade. The rebellion might have been over in 24 hours as Columbia had little way to get past our blockade to get troops there, and those already stationed there were pretty much bribed to lay down arms. Panama dxeclared independence and a few days later their French ambassador to the US signed a treaty for the Canal without authorization from his country

The Canal Zone itself was as close as any US Territory ever came to Socialism. Citizens all worked for the company that ran the canal or the government. Housing was applied for and assigned to citizens. The US Government for about 30 years wouldnt even declare children born their as citizens. Not to mention that racism was rampant as Southern Europeans and Native blacks were paid much less then Northern European and American Whites, with no chance at promotion.

Very strange situation.

Ah yes, the odd schenanigans of Msr Bunau-Varilla. And the Canalimony we paid Colombia in the 20's was interestng as well. Colombia would have likely sold us all of Panama had we offered them that much in 1903.

There seemed to be a LOT of Mobile - USCZ ties growing up. I think a lot of the CZ was supplied through Brookley.

I wouldn't call the USCZ socialism. I think it was more like a 'company town' analogy.
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(07-24-2012 06:47 PM)panama Wrote:  Believe me I know. I used to live there. The Canal Zone Company had more power than any stateside entity has ever had. They could literally get you excommunicated from the Zone for any offense. There was also forced segregation until President Carter ended it in 1976.

As for Panamanian history, a little know part is that from 1850 to 1904 there were 55 rebellions against Colombia. On two occasions we actually broke away only to be reigned in. You also cannot discount the impact of 1000 days from 1899 to 1902. It was a bloody war between Liberals and Conservatives in Colombia and by extension Panama. Tens of thousands dead. When it ended the Panamanian Liberal leader Victoriano Lorenzo refused surrender until Panama was granted autonomy. They caught him and gave him a mock trial and shot him by firing squad and in an instant created a martyr. That was the point of no return. Whether by American blockade or other means there was no turning back. Also the same U.S.S. Washington that preserved Panamanian independence was used to preserve Colombia's hold on Panama a month earlier. It was only after Colombia would not sign a treaty that the U.S. flipped allegiances.

I had wondered if you used to live there. I figured the name had to mean something. The Panama Canal is one of my favorite pieces of history. Early 20th season Politicking at its finest.

The 70's and 80's and up till we ceded control to Panama was a strange time as well. Panamanians would demonstrate against something, and the US would give a concession to stop it...and some of these were little things, like whether the Panamanian flag could be displaye at the Canal.

Its an expensive Canal to use thats for sure, average toll is close to $30,000.
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(07-24-2012 08:02 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-24-2012 05:48 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(07-24-2012 03:19 PM)panama Wrote:  
(07-24-2012 03:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-24-2012 01:28 PM)panama Wrote:  I know of Dothan because of the Panama connection. A lot of Americans moved to Panama to work last century and when the Canal Zone was being turned over to Panama many moved back to te states and settled in Dothan. Weird.

The Federal Court that handled all the cases in the Canal Zone was the Southern District Court in Mobile.

Was a particularly weird situation. A defacto state of the United States abroad. Had its own police force, courts and US Postal ofices and zip code. A Panamanian citizen could be arrested tried, convicted and imprisoned in the U.S. Canal Zone within the Republic of Panama.

Its a fascinating piece of history itself. We tried to obtain the rights from Columbia, who controlled Panama at the time. They wouldnt sign off on the treaty, so we supported a rebellion with a naval blockade. The rebellion might have been over in 24 hours as Columbia had little way to get past our blockade to get troops there, and those already stationed there were pretty much bribed to lay down arms. Panama dxeclared independence and a few days later their French ambassador to the US signed a treaty for the Canal without authorization from his country

The Canal Zone itself was as close as any US Territory ever came to Socialism. Citizens all worked for the company that ran the canal or the government. Housing was applied for and assigned to citizens. The US Government for about 30 years wouldnt even declare children born their as citizens. Not to mention that racism was rampant as Southern Europeans and Native blacks were paid much less then Northern European and American Whites, with no chance at promotion.

Very strange situation.

Ah yes, the odd schenanigans of Msr Bunau-Varilla. And the Canalimony we paid Colombia in the 20's was interestng as well. Colombia would have likely sold us all of Panama had we offered them that much in 1903.

There seemed to be a LOT of Mobile - USCZ ties growing up. I think a lot of the CZ was supplied through Brookley.

I wouldn't call the USCZ socialism. I think it was more like a 'company town' analogy.

I think it was the forced segregation and blatant racisim that made me call it socialist. It certainly had some of the characteristics, but so would a Company Town.

The poor French were practically begging us to take the thing. They tried for several years to build, and lost about 20,000 workers to disease because no one knew that mosquito's carried malaria and yellow fever. I imagine they saw the task as a death trap.
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(07-24-2012 08:27 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(07-24-2012 08:02 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-24-2012 05:48 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(07-24-2012 03:19 PM)panama Wrote:  
(07-24-2012 03:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The Federal Court that handled all the cases in the Canal Zone was the Southern District Court in Mobile.

Was a particularly weird situation. A defacto state of the United States abroad. Had its own police force, courts and US Postal ofices and zip code. A Panamanian citizen could be arrested tried, convicted and imprisoned in the U.S. Canal Zone within the Republic of Panama.

Its a fascinating piece of history itself. We tried to obtain the rights from Columbia, who controlled Panama at the time. They wouldnt sign off on the treaty, so we supported a rebellion with a naval blockade. The rebellion might have been over in 24 hours as Columbia had little way to get past our blockade to get troops there, and those already stationed there were pretty much bribed to lay down arms. Panama dxeclared independence and a few days later their French ambassador to the US signed a treaty for the Canal without authorization from his country

The Canal Zone itself was as close as any US Territory ever came to Socialism. Citizens all worked for the company that ran the canal or the government. Housing was applied for and assigned to citizens. The US Government for about 30 years wouldnt even declare children born their as citizens. Not to mention that racism was rampant as Southern Europeans and Native blacks were paid much less then Northern European and American Whites, with no chance at promotion.

Very strange situation.

Ah yes, the odd schenanigans of Msr Bunau-Varilla. And the Canalimony we paid Colombia in the 20's was interestng as well. Colombia would have likely sold us all of Panama had we offered them that much in 1903.

There seemed to be a LOT of Mobile - USCZ ties growing up. I think a lot of the CZ was supplied through Brookley.

I wouldn't call the USCZ socialism. I think it was more like a 'company town' analogy.

I think it was the forced segregation and blatant racisim that made me call it socialist. It certainly had some of the characteristics, but so would a Company Town.

The poor French were practically begging us to take the thing. They tried for several years to build, and lost about 20,000 workers to disease because no one knew that mosquito's carried malaria and yellow fever. I imagine they saw the task as a death trap.

Dr William Gorgas had a big hand in the US success in that regard with his pioneering work with mosquito reduction. He was a native of Mobile as well. There's a statue of him in downtown Mobile.
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(07-24-2012 01:03 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  There really isn't much to Dothan. It a city of about 120k.... It's close to the beach and 45mins south of Troy. Which Troy has a large campus in Dothan. Other than that it's a typical southern city. Its probably the only Larger Alabama city that's probably mostly Troy fans rather than bama or barn fans.

Dothan is more of a "Trojan Town" than the city of Troy is. I love the TROY fan support down there. Almost every store in Dothan has Trojan gear.
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(07-24-2012 08:02 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  [quote='chiefsfan' pid='8095866' dateline='1343170104']
[quote='panama' pid='8095438' dateline='1343161174']
[quote='Tom in Lazybrook' pid='8095418' dateline='1343160582']

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I think it was the forced segregation and blatant racisim that made me call it socialist.

wow I never knew the post civil war southern united states was socialist
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You really can't defend the Canal Zone although former Zonians wax poetic about it online and long for "the good old days". Those old days were not that great unless you were a white American. I was part of the first classes that integrated Balboa Elementary in 1976 and 1977. My parents applied for housing in La Boca township in 1978. My mother was told she was not eligible to live there. When she told them her husband was a U.S. Citizen they did not know what to do. So we ended up integrating La Boca township. As a kid you didn't know what was going on. My gym coach would look at all of us Black and/or Panamanian kids and tell us to run like ghosts were after us. "Imagine that I am wearing a sheet and chasing you" he would say. It was only years later that I found out what he meant and why his asst. coach a Black Panamanian hated him and was later fired. Socialist was too good a name for them totatlitarian. Another incident comes to mind. Me and my brother went out for youth football. During tryouts the HC goes off on my brother over a drill; just way over the top for 10 year olds. My father is driving up as it happens and watches the HC curse and dress down my brother for like 4 mins. So HC tells my brother to run laps. My father now on the field says no. HC looks at my father like he's nothing and starts screaming. I see the back of my Dad's neck turn red and he tells us to go to the car. HC says, no cause my brother needs to run laps. My father looks at us. Uh, we go to the car. So from 50 yds away I watch my father screaming. HC says something and my father takes off his glasses. HC looks ashen and starts backing away as my father points at him. So that was the end of my Balboa Rams career. The next day and all week kids at school are talking about what my Dad did and how we we're getting kicked off the Isthmus. HC was a Lieutenant with Balboa Police. So the story goes that he did try and get us sent back to the states. But they told him my father was untouchable because he was a Union Steward with Canal Zone Protection Division (basically the equivalent of State Patrol). But believe me I saw plenty of families expelled.
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(07-24-2012 09:15 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  
(07-24-2012 08:27 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(07-24-2012 08:02 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  [quote='chiefsfan' pid='8095866' dateline='1343170104']
[quote='panama' pid='8095438' dateline='1343161174']
[quote='Tom in Lazybrook' pid='8095418' dateline='1343160582']

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I think it was the forced segregation and blatant racisim that made me call it socialist.

wow I never knew the post civil war southern united states was socialist

If you had read the reasons I listed earlier for why it was close to socialism, you would understand. I used the racisim as yet another one of those reasons.
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