If the B12 goes back to 12 teams, UT and OU will never agree to be in separate divisions. First, they want to stay with 10, so even if they agreed to a 12-team league they would demand their favored divisional split as a concession. Second, Brown and Stoops both want to be in the same division because they want the possibility of getting the advantage of being in the same division that LSU and Bama got last year, i.e., the loser of their game having a chance to slide into a playoff without playing a conference title game.

well texas runs the show and might like that setup. I really don't see what the problem is with putting the 6 texas/ok school's in a division if its clemson and fsu coming aboard.

texas, t tech, tcu, baylor, ou, ok state

ku, ksu, isu, wvu, clemson, fsu


if they want to keep the 5-3 format maybe go with:

texas, tcu, ok state

ou, texas tech, baylor

thus, fsu and clemson get either ou or texas every season.

(06-11-2012 11:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  Anyone who disagrees with you is mindless?

That's a reference to people who do the popular thing, just because it's popular, not because they like it...

You seem to be looking for things to get upset about...

Texas schools would save a. Ton of Money because They would barely have to leave Their own State. East division would have extensive travel even in it's own division unless it went to 14 or 16 with more East division schools. If 12 then move some Texas schools to East for balance.

None of the Texoma schools will agree to be split from their setup of close rivals and easy travel.

Any model saying "just split them up" has no idea how the Big 12 works or who really calls the shots.

(06-11-2012 10:43 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  I just think this is one of those structural issues that can't be easily resolved with any amount of money. It also why for the big 12 schools remaining, a ten team conference works.

Baylor, TCU, TTU, Okla St, KU, KSU, and ISU are 7 schools that have no reason to vote for a 12-team league if it means being in a division that has neither UT nor OU. That would increase their travel, hurt their ticket sales, and decrease interest because the division including UT and OU will get the lion's share of attention just like the former Big 12 South.

The only split acceptable to everyone except UT and OU is a split in which UT and OU are in different divisions, and that's a split UT and OU won't agree to.

(06-11-2012 04:00 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 10:43 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  I just think this is one of those structural issues that can't be easily resolved with any amount of money. It also why for the big 12 schools remaining, a ten team conference works.

Baylor, TCU, TTU, Okla St, KU, KSU, and ISU are 7 schools that have no reason to vote for a 12-team league if it means being in a division that has neither UT nor OU. That would increase their travel, hurt their ticket sales, and decrease interest because the division including UT and OU will get the lion's share of attention just like the former Big 12 South.

The only split acceptable to everyone except UT and OU is a split in which UT and OU are in different divisions, and that's a split UT and OU won't agree to.

Why can't they be permanent cross division rivals? That would be really interesting for B12 a championship matchup. You would think they'd want that because it increases the odds that their biggest name programs represent the B12 in a playoff. God forbid UT or OU get's upset by an ISU or KSU in a CG.

Oh dear Lord. Greg Swaim is now tweeting about how the future XII divisions will be set up. His "source" is quoted as saying there will be three pods of 4 teams each and a rotation of how you play the other teams in the other pods.

Quote:Greg Swaim ‏@GSwaim
Source: "It's possible there won't be East/West or North/South divisions in new #Big12, but rotating pools" #FSU #Clemson #Sooners #OKState

#OKState, #Sooners, #Horns, #TexasTech in one pool, #KState, #KU, #ISU, #Baylor in another, #Clemson, #FSU, #WVU, #TCU?

Play the three teams in your pool each year and six of the other eight on a rotating basis. #Big12

"@carnot3: @GSwaim How do you determine who plays in a CCG with 3 divisions?" // Highest two rated BCS teams, as is the case now.

That has to be the worst division plan I have ever heard of. Basically it's a plus-one within your own conference.

The Big XII could be opening the door to conference semi-finals. The 3 division winners, plus the best among the also-rans...

(06-11-2012 04:38 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The Big XII could be opening the door to conference semi-finals. The 3 division winners, plus the best among the also-rans...

Ha.

That would mean that the SEC and ACC would each need a 15th team so as to have 3 equal divisions of 5, right?

That won't happen, but if it did the Pac has three easy divisions of 4: Northwest, California, and Southwest.

If FSU and Clemson join the Big XII, the ACC would have 12 teams...

(06-11-2012 03:38 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  None of the Texoma schools will agree to be split from their setup of close rivals and easy travel.

Any model saying "just split them up" has no idea how the Big 12 works or who really calls the shots.

This. Would FSU and Clemson still think its worth moving if the Big 12 division they land in consists of The Tigers, 'Noles, WVU, ISU, KU and KSU?

And due to every schools probable desire to get to play TX, OK and FSU the chances of permenent cross divisional rivals are slim. Sans TX and OK, would there be any real difference in the desirability of schedule for Clemson and FSU in the Big 12 vs. the ACC (I consider WVU to be a wash with VT)

(06-11-2012 06:37 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-11-2012 03:38 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  None of the Texoma schools will agree to be split from their setup of close rivals and easy travel.

Any model saying "just split them up" has no idea how the Big 12 works or who really calls the shots.

This. Would FSU and Clemson still think its worth moving if the Big 12 division they land in consists of The Tigers, 'Noles, WVU, ISU, KU and KSU?

And due to every schools probable desire to get to play TX, OK and FSU the chances of permenent cross divisional rivals are slim. Sans TX and OK, would there be any real difference in the desirability of schedule for Clemson and FSU in the Big 12 vs. the ACC (I consider WVU to be a wash with VT)

VT is in the other division. FSU has Clemson, NCSU, Wake Forest, Maryland, BC, Syracuse. Presumably it will be a 6-1-2, so VT will be twice in 6 years. Miami will be the "1." Supposedly FSU is asking for GT to join their division in place of BC.