Next year- assuming Pitt/Syr are in the ACC...

Goes to a 9 game conference schedule...

FCS games- ACC will be at 14/42- 33%- instead of 13/48.

I'll venture a guess that the number of quality games they play OOC will drop signifigantly as well.

BC- USC, Army Stony Brook
Clem- Ga, Kent St, Citadel, S Carolina(have to get rid of 1)
Duke- Navy, Memphis, 1 other
FSU- Wofford, Nevada, Florida
GT- BYU, Georgia, Elon
Md- Temple, UConn, WV
Mia- Fla Atl, Florida, USF
NCSU- C Michigan, ECU, Richmond
UVA- Penn St, VMI, Ball St, UTSA(have to get rid of 1)
VT- Alabama, W Carolina, Marshall
WF- Army, Vandy, 1 more
Pitt- Villanova, Navy, Notre Dame
Syr- Penn St, Northwestern, 1 more

I'd hardly call that a great OOC schedule.

(05-31-2012 11:57 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 11:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 11:39 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 11:33 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 11:21 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  A conference should be rated on more than just playing conference foes. SEC get's too much of a pass for wins against Kentucky, Vandy, Miss, Miss St. etc.

You know that it's almost impossible to play all 4 of those teams- even moreso now than before.

SEC's OOC schedule with the rivalry games vs Clemson, GT, and FSU- does just fine. Half the league plays at least 1 top 25 team OOC.

Alabama play all but Kentucky last year, but played Tennessee.

OOC played: Kent St, N. Texas, Georgia Southern, and PSU.

so they had 7 easy wins.

Gotta love how Penn St is considered an easy win when they were a top 25 team. Give me a break.

TENN, Vandy, Miss, Miss St, Kent St, N. Texas, & Geo Southern = 7. I didn't count PSU, but they were not that good. See how they did against Houston.

Yet they had a top 15 schedule....

(05-31-2012 12:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 11:57 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 11:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 11:39 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 11:33 AM)stever20 Wrote:  You know that it's almost impossible to play all 4 of those teams- even moreso now than before.

SEC's OOC schedule with the rivalry games vs Clemson, GT, and FSU- does just fine. Half the league plays at least 1 top 25 team OOC.

Alabama play all but Kentucky last year, but played Tennessee.

OOC played: Kent St, N. Texas, Georgia Southern, and PSU.

so they had 7 easy wins.

Gotta love how Penn St is considered an easy win when they were a top 25 team. Give me a break.

TENN, Vandy, Miss, Miss St, Kent St, N. Texas, & Geo Southern = 7. I didn't count PSU, but they were not that good. See how they did against Houston.

Yet they had a top 15 schedule....

They also played a down Florida and Auburn schools.

(05-31-2012 11:13 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Ok this is completely failing to take into consideration the FACT that the Big 12 had the number one rated IN CONFERENCE strength of schedule last year. Year in and year out that conference is the toughest schedule in college football. Yes the SEC might have the biggest names at the top but it is not consistently strong throughout the conference.

If I was scheduling for my team and I had that strong of a conference schedule I would probably schedule a weak OOC schedule too. Even with that weak ooc schedule they still have the top rated schedules OVER ALL. That overall status is much more important.

This is an poorly put together response attack piece.

The ACC programs Have to have a strong OOC schedule to make up for their very weak conference schedule.

This is just grasping at straws. The ACC has plenty of good arguments to make but this just comes off as disingenuous.

^This^.

I read the Oklahoman newspaper every day and Trammel has agendas that he is always pushing. Getting Louisville into the Big12 was one of them. (It appears he has given up on that issue). Big12 Nonconference scheduling is another one.

(05-31-2012 12:10 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 12:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 11:57 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 11:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 11:39 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Alabama play all but Kentucky last year, but played Tennessee.

OOC played: Kent St, N. Texas, Georgia Southern, and PSU.

so they had 7 easy wins.

Gotta love how Penn St is considered an easy win when they were a top 25 team. Give me a break.

TENN, Vandy, Miss, Miss St, Kent St, N. Texas, & Geo Southern = 7. I didn't count PSU, but they were not that good. See how they did against Houston.

Yet they had a top 15 schedule....

They also played a down Florida and Auburn schools.

Who were still top 35 schools.

(05-31-2012 11:54 AM)omniorange Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 11:09 AM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  Sure looks like the ACC teams schedule 2 really good OOC opponents. Good job for those guys. Of course the article does not mention those are the hardest games on the schedule aside from the one or possibly two strong conference foes.
1. Miami: at Kansas State, Bethune-Cookman, Notre Dame at Chicago, South Florida. Wow. What a schedule. USF is only the third-best non-conference game. This is rated as the strongest OOC schedule for any team in the ACC.
Meanwhile Texas Big 12 schedule has - Oklahoma, OK state, Baylor, West Virginia, TCU, and Kansas State. That is a stronger schedule than Miami's without considering who Texas plays out of conference. Still, I agree the ACC does play some good competition outside of the ACC.

There have been recent years where that wasn't a truly great schedule either. But one would have to go beyond the last two years to get that point.

Cheers,
Neil

Well it does not really matter how far you go back with the ACC because it has always been a $hitburger football conference so it evens itself out pretty well.

No offense to the OP, but this article is nothing more than filler for an otherwise slow news day. Using OOC scheduling plus conference games as a barometer for who plays "big boy" football is much more useful when evaluating individual schools than entire conferences. As people will point out, strong OOC may imply a weak conf schedule, and when you couple that with the idea that the stronger conference teams will generally have stronger OOC schedules, then it starts to become apples to oranges comparisions. Take the SEC west for example. Miss St will have a weaker OOC than Alabama. When looking at the SEC W conf games you can see why:

Miss St: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Miss, TAMU, Arkansas
Alabama: Auburn, LSU, Miss St, Miss, TAMU, Arkansas

As you can see, Miss St has 4 power teams on their schedule already while Alabama has only 3. That is why Alabama is playing Michigan OOC while Miss St is playing no one of note.

What matters is a conference's OVERALL Strength of Schedule. So let's compare the ACC and Big 12 last year (using Sagarin):

SOS for ACC schools:

Maryland: 42
Clemson: 43
BC: 52
Wake: 54
UNC: 59
Miami: 61
Duke: 63
FSU: 68
UVA: 71
GT: 76
NCST: 82

Now the Big 12:

OKST: 3
TAMU: 4
OK: 6
KST: 8
Baylor: 10
Missouri: 13

Ok, Ok, we've seen enough. The Big 12 has at least 6 teams that played FAR tougher schedules than ANY team in the ACC played.

Verdict: The writer's complaints about Big 12 OOC scheduling is a JOKE. Big 12 schools face much tougher competition than ACC schools.

Here's a situation that I never thought I'd be in: Watching my two alma maters battle it out on the football field and not being sure who has a better chance at winning...

(05-31-2012 11:09 AM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  1. Miami: at Kansas State, Bethune-Cookman, Notre Dame at Chicago, South Florida. Wow. What a schedule. USF is only the third-best non-conference game. This is rated as the strongest OOC schedule for any team in the ACC.
Meanwhile Texas Big 12 schedule has - Oklahoma, OK state, Baylor, West Virginia, TCU, and Kansas State. That is a stronger schedule than Miami's without considering who Texas plays out of conference. Still, I agree the ACC does play some good competition outside of the ACC.

Miami has always sought out good non-con opponents, including before they joined the ACC.

The Big 12 will be brutal this year, based on how good all those teams were in 2011, but for anyone with a memory that goes back farther than one year, even the biggest Big 12 homer would agree that history suggests that it's unlikely that all of those teams you mention will be that good year in and year out for very long.

(05-31-2012 01:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 11:09 AM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  1. Miami: at Kansas State, Bethune-Cookman, Notre Dame at Chicago, South Florida. Wow. What a schedule. USF is only the third-best non-conference game. This is rated as the strongest OOC schedule for any team in the ACC.
Meanwhile Texas Big 12 schedule has - Oklahoma, OK state, Baylor, West Virginia, TCU, and Kansas State. That is a stronger schedule than Miami's without considering who Texas plays out of conference. Still, I agree the ACC does play some good competition outside of the ACC.

Miami has always sought out good non-con opponents, including before they joined the ACC.

The Big 12 will be brutal this year, based on how good all those teams were in 2011, but for anyone with a memory that goes back farther than one year, even the biggest Big 12 homer would agree that history suggests that it's unlikely that all of those teams you mention will be that good year in and year out for very long.

Baylor without RG3 is not going to be a top 20 team.

(05-31-2012 02:01 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 01:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 11:09 AM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  1. Miami: at Kansas State, Bethune-Cookman, Notre Dame at Chicago, South Florida. Wow. What a schedule. USF is only the third-best non-conference game. This is rated as the strongest OOC schedule for any team in the ACC.
Meanwhile Texas Big 12 schedule has - Oklahoma, OK state, Baylor, West Virginia, TCU, and Kansas State. That is a stronger schedule than Miami's without considering who Texas plays out of conference. Still, I agree the ACC does play some good competition outside of the ACC.

Miami has always sought out good non-con opponents, including before they joined the ACC.

The Big 12 will be brutal this year, based on how good all those teams were in 2011, but for anyone with a memory that goes back farther than one year, even the biggest Big 12 homer would agree that history suggests that it's unlikely that all of those teams you mention will be that good year in and year out for very long.

Baylor without RG3 is not going to be a top 20 team.

... and how many quarterbacks older than Aaron Rodgers can Oklahoma State find, and will K-State after Bill Snyder be just as bad as they were after the first Snyder retirement, etc.

(05-31-2012 11:02 AM)XLance Wrote:  Better than the Big 12?


http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2012/...e-big-12s/

They schedule OOC well with an 8 game league schedule. I expect some tough non-con games to get cancelled in the next couple of years with the 9 game slate coming up.

Kudos to the ACC for scheduling them but let's remember they don't win many of their matchups.

(05-31-2012 02:01 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 01:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 11:09 AM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  1. Miami: at Kansas State, Bethune-Cookman, Notre Dame at Chicago, South Florida. Wow. What a schedule. USF is only the third-best non-conference game. This is rated as the strongest OOC schedule for any team in the ACC.
Meanwhile Texas Big 12 schedule has - Oklahoma, OK state, Baylor, West Virginia, TCU, and Kansas State. That is a stronger schedule than Miami's without considering who Texas plays out of conference. Still, I agree the ACC does play some good competition outside of the ACC.

Miami has always sought out good non-con opponents, including before they joined the ACC.

The Big 12 will be brutal this year, based on how good all those teams were in 2011, but for anyone with a memory that goes back farther than one year, even the biggest Big 12 homer would agree that history suggests that it's unlikely that all of those teams you mention will be that good year in and year out for very long.

Baylor without RG3 is not going to be a top 20 team.

Probably not in 2012 but we'll be good for years to come with the staff, facilities, recruiting, and existing talent. Briles is the guy who found Kolb, Keenum, and RG3- we'll be fine at QB.

(05-31-2012 02:18 PM)Sammy11 Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 11:02 AM)XLance Wrote:  Better than the Big 12?


http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2012/...e-big-12s/

They schedule OOC well with an 8 game league schedule. I expect some tough non-con games to get cancelled in the next couple of years with the 9 game slate coming up.

Kudos to the ACC for scheduling them but let's remember they don't win many of their matchups.

That's a great point. Let's see them win some of these games before we go proclaiming them to be Big Boy Football....

(05-31-2012 01:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 11:09 AM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  1. Miami: at Kansas State, Bethune-Cookman, Notre Dame at Chicago, South Florida. Wow. What a schedule. USF is only the third-best non-conference game. This is rated as the strongest OOC schedule for any team in the ACC.
Meanwhile Texas Big 12 schedule has - Oklahoma, OK state, Baylor, West Virginia, TCU, and Kansas State. That is a stronger schedule than Miami's without considering who Texas plays out of conference. Still, I agree the ACC does play some good competition outside of the ACC.

Miami has always sought out good non-con opponents, including before they joined the ACC.

The Big 12 will be brutal this year, based on how good all those teams were in 2011, but for anyone with a memory that goes back farther than one year, even the biggest Big 12 homer would agree that history suggests that it's unlikely that all of those teams you mention will be that good year in and year out for very long.

History suggests that while several teams rise and fall we ALWAYS have teams performing at a high level. Computer rankings bear that out. If 2 fall, we usually have 2 rise.

(05-31-2012 02:24 PM)Sammy11 Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 01:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 11:09 AM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  1. Miami: at Kansas State, Bethune-Cookman, Notre Dame at Chicago, South Florida. Wow. What a schedule. USF is only the third-best non-conference game. This is rated as the strongest OOC schedule for any team in the ACC.
Meanwhile Texas Big 12 schedule has - Oklahoma, OK state, Baylor, West Virginia, TCU, and Kansas State. That is a stronger schedule than Miami's without considering who Texas plays out of conference. Still, I agree the ACC does play some good competition outside of the ACC.

Miami has always sought out good non-con opponents, including before they joined the ACC.

The Big 12 will be brutal this year, based on how good all those teams were in 2011, but for anyone with a memory that goes back farther than one year, even the biggest Big 12 homer would agree that history suggests that it's unlikely that all of those teams you mention will be that good year in and year out for very long.

History suggests that while several teams rise and fall we ALWAYS have teams performing at a high level. Computer rankings bear that out. If 2 fall, we usually have 2 rise.

History suggests 4 of the current B12 lineup in the top 25 would be the norm. Not 6.

(05-31-2012 02:16 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 02:01 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 01:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 11:09 AM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  1. Miami: at Kansas State, Bethune-Cookman, Notre Dame at Chicago, South Florida. Wow. What a schedule. USF is only the third-best non-conference game. This is rated as the strongest OOC schedule for any team in the ACC.
Meanwhile Texas Big 12 schedule has - Oklahoma, OK state, Baylor, West Virginia, TCU, and Kansas State. That is a stronger schedule than Miami's without considering who Texas plays out of conference. Still, I agree the ACC does play some good competition outside of the ACC.

Miami has always sought out good non-con opponents, including before they joined the ACC.

The Big 12 will be brutal this year, based on how good all those teams were in 2011, but for anyone with a memory that goes back farther than one year, even the biggest Big 12 homer would agree that history suggests that it's unlikely that all of those teams you mention will be that good year in and year out for very long.

Baylor without RG3 is not going to be a top 20 team.

... and how many quarterbacks older than Aaron Rodgers can Oklahoma State find, and will K-State after Bill Snyder be just as bad as they were after the first Snyder retirement, etc.

Just how much better will their recruiting be with the Big 12 as a stated member of the Big 4 as well as part of a new relationship with the SEC? Those traditionally weaker teams in the Big 12 should be able to boost their recruiting if they are only half decent salesmen. If they are great recruiters then they have a lot of new ammunition at their disposal.

The ACC in the past has always been able to claim to be one of the top conferences without argument. Now at best, they have to argue that they are.

(05-31-2012 11:16 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 11:14 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  We should compare the ACC non-conference to the SEC non-Conference.

Go right ahead but I am wondering if I am the only one who realizes how bad it must be getting for you guys when your soapbox to stand upon is your OOC schedule and not your in conference schedule.

Don't look know, but the article was published in Oklahoma.
It wasn't the ACC talking about their OOC schedule......it was the Big 12.

(05-31-2012 03:21 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 11:16 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(05-31-2012 11:14 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  We should compare the ACC non-conference to the SEC non-Conference.

Go right ahead but I am wondering if I am the only one who realizes how bad it must be getting for you guys when your soapbox to stand upon is your OOC schedule and not your in conference schedule.

Don't look know, but the article was published in Oklahoma.
It wasn't the ACC talking about their OOC schedule......it was the Big 12.

You obviously did not read through the whole thread. It has already been addressed that this writer goes on soapboxes about certain issues of the Big 12. One of those is he wants the schools to have harder OOC schedules for whatever reason. So for him to bring up the ACC's ooc schedule it is a slap in the face to try and get the attention of the people he wants to listen to him.

That is not the point though, the point is that YOU felt the need to prop this up. Is that because you are also concerned about the OOC schedules of Big 12 teams or were you seeing this as some sort of defense for the ACC?


I think my earlier point about how the Big 12 doesn't need a strong OOC schedule to have the best SOS ratings. They already get those with weak OOC schedules. Your ACC needs strong ooc schedules for those southern teams to try to compete with their regional rivals, but it still isn't enough.