FSU/Clemson is a fait accompli at this point.

If the Big Ten and SEC stand pat and the Big 12 stops at 12, does the ACC stay at 12 and hope ESPN gives them the same tv deal or do they add two? UL/RU/UConn? Could the ACC give out partial bball deals to SJU/G'town/Nova/ND?

Interesting times for sure.

(05-29-2012 03:35 PM)EERSFAN Wrote:  FSU/Clemson is a fait accompli at this point.

If the Big Ten and SEC stand pat and the Big 12 stops at 12, does the ACC stay at 12 and hope ESPN gives them the same tv deal or do they add two? UL/RU/UConn? Could the ACC give out partial bball deals to SJU/G'town/Nova/ND?

Interesting times for sure.

Lol.....source please.

The WVU Message Board of course.

What's been accomplished, dude? I've seen no invites issued or accepted, and nobody's moving from one conference to another...

First move is try to prevent the fsu/clemson move. I would start with these proposals

1) create a football only league with the big 12 at 24 members

if rebuffed by the big 12 with clemson and fsu still in the acc

2) offer nd acc membership without football for spot 15
3) offer rutgers spot 16
4) offer navy or byu football only membership that is terminated if any school leaves the acc.

if clemson and fsu than leave

1) invite uconn and gtown
2) possibly invite st john's and nova for a 14/18 setup.

(05-29-2012 03:36 PM)Orangemen Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 03:35 PM)EERSFAN Wrote:  FSU/Clemson is a fait accompli at this point.

If the Big Ten and SEC stand pat and the Big 12 stops at 12, does the ACC stay at 12 and hope ESPN gives them the same tv deal or do they add two? UL/RU/UConn? Could the ACC give out partial bball deals to SJU/G'town/Nova/ND?

Interesting times for sure.

Lol.....source please.

You serious, Clark?

(05-29-2012 03:37 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  The WVU Message Board of course.

I know you're just trolling, but this is way beyond the WVU message boards at this point unless you keep your head in the sand.

lots of people talking a lot of speculation does not equal issued and accepted invites.

it may yet happen, but it is by no means a "done deal"

(05-29-2012 03:44 PM)bluesox Wrote:  First move is try to prevent the fsu/clemson move. I would start with these proposals

1) create a football only league with the big 12 at 24 members

if rebuffed by the big 12 with clemson and fsu still in the acc

2) offer nd acc membership without football for spot 15
3) offer rutgers spot 16
4) offer navy or byu football only membership that is terminated if any school leaves the acc.

if clemson and fsu than leave

1) invite uconn and gtown
2) possibly invite st john's and nova for a 14/18 setup.

Worst. Plan. Ever.

(05-29-2012 03:44 PM)bluesox Wrote:  First move is try to prevent the fsu/clemson move. I would start with these proposals

1) create a football only league with the big 12 at 24 members

if rebuffed by the big 12 with clemson and fsu still in the acc

2) offer nd acc membership without football for spot 15
3) offer rutgers spot 16
4) offer navy or byu football only membership that is terminated if any school leaves the acc.

A couple things:

1. The Big XII would laugh the ACC out the room if they were approached with that offer.

2. Notre Dame without football is worthless, and stabilizes nothing.

3. Rutgers brings nothing more than another mouth to feed.

4. BYU would strengthen football, but why would they join the ACC after turning down the Big XII?

5. Navy does nothing for football.

(05-29-2012 03:51 PM)EERSFAN Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 03:36 PM)Orangemen Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 03:35 PM)EERSFAN Wrote:  FSU/Clemson is a fait accompli at this point.

If the Big Ten and SEC stand pat and the Big 12 stops at 12, does the ACC stay at 12 and hope ESPN gives them the same tv deal or do they add two? UL/RU/UConn? Could the ACC give out partial bball deals to SJU/G'town/Nova/ND?

Interesting times for sure.

Lol.....source please.

You serious, Clark?

Nah...I know you don't have one.

(05-29-2012 04:00 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  lots of people talking a lot of speculation does not equal issued and accepted invites.

it may yet happen, but it is by no means a "done deal"

A few people denying what's happened does not mean it hasn't happened.

(05-29-2012 04:04 PM)EERSFAN Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 04:00 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  lots of people talking a lot of speculation does not equal issued and accepted invites.

it may yet happen, but it is by no means a "done deal"

A few people denying what's happened does not mean it hasn't happened.

Until it's officially announced in the newspapers, nothing has happened, according to everybody's lawyers. Or as they said in the movie Sunset, "give or take a lie or 2"...

(05-29-2012 03:44 PM)bluesox Wrote:  First move is try to prevent the fsu/clemson move. I would start with these proposals

1) create a football only league with the big 12 at 24 members

if rebuffed by the big 12 with clemson and fsu still in the acc

2) offer nd acc membership without football for spot 15
3) offer rutgers spot 16
4) offer navy or byu football only membership that is terminated if any school leaves the acc.

if clemson and fsu than leave

1) invite uconn and gtown
2) possibly invite st john's and nova for a 14/18 setup.

a hybrid ACC? Really?

And what has happened that everyone is denying?

I certainly don't deny that there are rampant rumors being echoed everywhere across the internet...but I also don't believe that said rumors are definitive proof of anything at this point. Maybe it's a done deal like A&M and Mizzou to the SEC or maybe it's a done deal ala WVU to the SEC or Texas and OU to the PAC.

Nobody knows yet which it is.

Anyhoo, to get back on subject, I think the ACC sits tight at 12, maybe changes up the divisions to North/South, and begs ESPN to not reduce the TV deal. If UNC doesn't leave for the SEC or Big Ten, it won't allow NCSU to leave either. The SEC won't take VT alone and no other school offers sufficient value to the SEC. I also don't think Maryland/UVA offer sufficient value to the Big Ten. It really comes down to UNC. Does UNC give up its kingdom for a seat at the big boy's table? UNC believes it's better to rule in hell, iyam.

(05-29-2012 04:04 PM)EERSFAN Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 04:00 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  lots of people talking a lot of speculation does not equal issued and accepted invites.

it may yet happen, but it is by no means a "done deal"

A few people denying what's happened does not mean it hasn't happened.

Didn't Dude say it was a done deal? Hmmm must of missed the presser.

(05-29-2012 04:04 PM)EERSFAN Wrote:  A few people denying rumors does not mean the rumors are not true

1) FIFY

2) Many of those "few people" were the ACC decision makers at the schools in question

It's not a fait accompli. It may not even be more-likely-than-not right now. But this is still a worthwhile thread.

What DOES the ACC do? (If FSU and Clemson leave.)

First order of business is to make sure that the ACC survives. Because once a conference starts losing teams, other conferences start making offers. First task is for UNC to decide that they'd rather stay kings of a lower-profile ACC than stay in the world of big-time football. Because if UNC is listening to offers from the SEC or Big Ten, or rumored to be listening, everyone else will head for the doors as well.

University of Virginia doesn't want to leave UNC. Duke doesn't want to leave UNC. And, given the overlapping governing boards, NC State probably can't leave UNC. And Virginia Tech, less than ten years after pulling every string the state government had to get into the ACC, can't leave U-Va. I don't know what Wake Forest wants, but it's not hard to demonstrate that Wake Forest would be left behind if the ACC were broken up and the Big Ten, SEC and Big XII went to 16 teams each.

Have those six schools publicly commit to the ACC, and back it up with cash. Each of those 6 schools pledges not to be the first to leave the ACC, on pain of paying the other schools $10M each. (This is separate from the $20M exit fee.)

With the states of Virginia and NC off the table, I don't think the Big Ten is shopping. I don't think the SEC wants to go to 16 alone, or without adding states for an SEC network.

Then the ACC could stand pat at 12, or take UConn and Rutgers, depending on what Raycom wants.

(05-29-2012 04:08 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  And what has happened that everyone is denying?

I certainly don't deny that there are rampant rumors being echoed everywhere across the internet...but I also don't believe that said rumors are definitive proof of anything at this point. Maybe it's a done deal like A&M and Mizzou to the SEC or maybe it's a done deal ala WVU to the SEC or Texas and OU to the PAC.

Nobody knows yet which it is.

Didn't you know that a lie can run around the world 2 or 3 times before the truth gets its boots on?