(05-26-2012 12:25 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 10:52 AM)Rabonchild Wrote:  Who's Bill Maher? Where did he get his degree? What positive contribution has he made to mankind? Which charities do he support? The question should not be does he hate on Christanity & Islam equally? The question is, why does he hate?

Bill Maher has supported the following charities:

Best Friends Animal Society
Comic Relief
Dogs Deserve Better
Global Green
Robert F Kennedy Memorial
Save the Chimps
Somaly Mam Foundation
The Humane Society

He has a Bachelor of Arts in English from Cornell University.

I find it quite amusing that criticism towards all other things is known as simply that, criticism. The second it steers towards Christianity is the same second it turns into hate. Can't say anything about Christians because then you hate them. Such sound logic.

I would be willing to bet that I have watch more Bill Maher than anyone in this thread. I know for a fact how he discusses topics and which topics he discusses. He blasts Islam constantly. All the time. However, just a little nugget of info...people tend to concentrate more so on the society around themselves. He's far more likely to hear/see the insane preacher in North Carolina who wants to put all the homosexuals in death camps and therefore is more likely to comment on it. That is called, duh. One really big, DUH.

Regardless, I'm uncertain as to why it matters. This thread was specifically pertaining to Liberty. I'm sure Stalin said something right once when he accidentally burnt himself on a stove and said, "Ow. That's hot." Now, I'm not equating Maher to Stalin. I used that example because you all are equating him to Stalin and I'm just trying to help your sensitive natures make the transition.

Also, this right wing mentality that if it is the minority then it is wrong is such an odd thing to attach oneself to; think about history for a few seconds and then get back to me on that one.

I specifically address his comments on Liberty and you have yet to respond. I have no idea if you are an atheist, agnostic, or worship. I don't care. I have watched enough of Bill Maher to know that he attacks that with which he does not agree. And he can do so in some vile manner. I don't know if you are married, in a realtionship or what. Would you tolerate someone calling your wife, girlfriend, sister or mother a c*nt or a twat? That seems to be where he goes when he starts to debate. Was he so damn enlightened when he made fun of a teenage girl who was on his show to explain why she chose to remain celibate until marriage? He go fired for saying that the 9-11 hijackers were brave and that Americans were cowards.

I guess you and Bill don't like Liberty because it is a private Christian university. I don't see you or him attacking Notre Dame, Georgetown, Villanova, St Joseph, St Bonaventure, Xavier, Loyola, TCU, SMU, Baylor, and Marquette. Those are just a few that jump to mind. Before you hop on the bandwagon with Maher, perhaps you should check out the university and see just what they offer, what their accreditations are, and learn a little about it. I did. Or are you just going to be a closed minded as you are accusing us of being.

By the way, I am not a religous person and tend to be more of an agnostic than anything. And if you want to debate intolerance on the right and the left, I will be more than happy to have that discussion.

(05-26-2012 11:03 AM)InjunJohn Wrote:  Well, to be fair, if you break down all religion, especially Christianity, then all of them are in the minority (Catholics, Espiscopalians, Methodists, Baptists, etc). This country is a majority Christian nation in its beliefs.

There is a major distinction between Christian and evangelical protestant. Christianity represents a majority of this country, but only 26% of the country identify themselves as "evangelical protestant" and that's not a great deal more than the 16% of the country that identifies themselves as "unafilliated"(agnostics and atheists).

(05-26-2012 01:21 PM)InjunJohn Wrote:  I guess you and Bill don't like Liberty because it is a private Christian university. I don't see you or him attacking Notre Dame, Georgetown, Villanova, St Joseph, St Bonaventure, Xavier, Loyola, TCU, SMU, Baylor, and Marquette. Those are just a few that jump to mind. Before you hop on the bandwagon with Maher, perhaps you should check out the university and see just what they offer, what their accreditations are, and learn a little about it. I did. Or are you just going to be a closed minded as you are accusing us of being.

Those are all top notch schools and I feel pretty confident in saying that none of them teach "creation science" and I doubt very strongly that any of them forbid kissing or alcohol either.

(05-26-2012 01:21 PM)InjunJohn Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 12:25 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 10:52 AM)Rabonchild Wrote:  Who's Bill Maher? Where did he get his degree? What positive contribution has he made to mankind? Which charities do he support? The question should not be does he hate on Christanity & Islam equally? The question is, why does he hate?

I would think it unacceptable to hate on people whither your degree came from Cornell or Liberty. The Human Socity doesn't own a single animal shelter & in under Ricco investigation. In spite of his association with the HS I'm sure Mr Maher doesn't t see eye to eye with them.

Bill Maher has supported the following charities:

Best Friends Animal Society
Comic Relief
Dogs Deserve Better
Global Green
Robert F Kennedy Memorial
Save the Chimps
Somaly Mam Foundation
The Humane Society

He has a Bachelor of Arts in English from Cornell University.

I find it quite amusing that criticism towards all other things is known as simply that, criticism. The second it steers towards Christianity is the same second it turns into hate. Can't say anything about Christians because then you hate them. Such sound logic.

I would be willing to bet that I have watch more Bill Maher than anyone in this thread. I know for a fact how he discusses topics and which topics he discusses. He blasts Islam constantly. All the time. However, just a little nugget of info...people tend to concentrate more so on the society around themselves. He's far more likely to hear/see the insane preacher in North Carolina who wants to put all the homosexuals in death camps and therefore is more likely to comment on it. That is called, duh. One really big, DUH.

Regardless, I'm uncertain as to why it matters. This thread was specifically pertaining to Liberty. I'm sure Stalin said something right once when he accidentally burnt himself on a stove and said, "Ow. That's hot." Now, I'm not equating Maher to Stalin. I used that example because you all are equating him to Stalin and I'm just trying to help your sensitive natures make the transition.

Also, this right wing mentality that if it is the minority then it is wrong is such an odd thing to attach oneself to; think about history for a few seconds and then get back to me on that one.

I specifically address his comments on Liberty and you have yet to respond. I have no idea if you are an atheist, agnostic, or worship. I don't care. I have watched enough of Bill Maher to know that he attacks that with which he does not agree. And he can do so in some vile manner. I don't know if you are married, in a realtionship or what. Would you tolerate someone calling your wife, girlfriend, sister or mother a c*nt or a twat? That seems to be where he goes when he starts to debate. Was he so damn enlightened when he made fun of a teenage girl who was on his show to explain why she chose to remain celibate until marriage? He go fired for saying that the 9-11 hijackers were brave and that Americans were cowards.

I guess you and Bill don't like Liberty because it is a private Christian university. I don't see you or him attacking Notre Dame, Georgetown, Villanova, St Joseph, St Bonaventure, Xavier, Loyola, TCU, SMU, Baylor, and Marquette. Those are just a few that jump to mind. Before you hop on the bandwagon with Maher, perhaps you should check out the university and see just what they offer, what their accreditations are, and learn a little about it. I did. Or are you just going to be a closed minded as you are accusing us of being.

By the way, I am not a religous person and tend to be more of an agnostic than anything. And if you want to debate intolerance on the right and the left, I will be more than happy to have that discussion.

(05-26-2012 10:33 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 01:21 PM)InjunJohn Wrote:  I guess you and Bill don't like Liberty because it is a private Christian university. I don't see you or him attacking Notre Dame, Georgetown, Villanova, St Joseph, St Bonaventure, Xavier, Loyola, TCU, SMU, Baylor, and Marquette. Those are just a few that jump to mind. Before you hop on the bandwagon with Maher, perhaps you should check out the university and see just what they offer, what their accreditations are, and learn a little about it. I did. Or are you just going to be a closed minded as you are accusing us of being.

Those are all top notch schools and I feel pretty confident in saying that none of them teach "creation science" and I doubt very strongly that any of them forbid kissing or alcohol either.

Well I don't know what they teach in their religion classes but I would bet they cover creation as well as evolution. Kind of hard to get around that. Oh and there is another school that I forgot about who I know has a very strict code of conduct and is a religous school......BYU.

Look, Liberty is an accredited school. Students choose to attend. Maher has taken his hatred for religion and chose to attack the entire program and said that it cheapens his diploma. He, like some folks posting here, did not take a look at what all Liberty offers. I did.....try google. You will find that they offer many courses of study and actually have several PhD programs and I didn't see snake handling or speaking in tongues listed.

(05-27-2012 11:10 AM)InjunJohn Wrote:  Well I don't know what they teach in their religion classes but I would bet they cover creation as well as evolution.

We're not talking about religion classes here, we're talking about science classes. I'm sure every one of the schools in the Sun Belt offers classes on religion and in those classes, they discuss the theology of those religions. The fossil record and evolution are both scientific fact. Teaching the theory that earth is only 5,000 years old and was created to appear older is perfectly acceptable in a religious classroom, but not in a science classroom. I guarantee you none of your aforementioned religiously affiliated universities teach that nonsense and call it science.

(05-27-2012 11:10 AM)InjunJohn Wrote:  Look, Liberty is an accredited school. Students choose to attend. Maher has taken his hatred for religion and chose to attack the entire program and said that it cheapens his diploma. He, like some folks posting here, did not take a look at what all Liberty offers. I did.....try google. You will find that they offer many courses of study and actually have several PhD programs and I didn't see snake handling or speaking in tongues listed.

You really missed the point of the "cheapens my diploma" argument. It was hyperbole and used to illustrate the ridiculousness of the argument that homosexual marriage cheapens heterosexual marriage. Maher knows that a Liberty grads diploma has no more effect on his diploma than the effect of the relationship of a gay couple living in Seattle has on the relationship of a straight couple living in Charleston.

(05-27-2012 01:26 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-27-2012 11:10 AM)InjunJohn Wrote:  Well I don't know what they teach in their religion classes but I would bet they cover creation as well as evolution.

We're not talking about religion classes here, we're talking about science classes. I'm sure every one of the schools in the Sun Belt offers classes on religion and in those classes, they discuss the theology of those religions. The fossil record and evolution are both scientific fact. Teaching the theory that earth is only 5,000 years old and was created to appear older is perfectly acceptable in a religious classroom, but not in a science classroom. I guarantee you none of your aforementioned religiously affiliated universities teach that nonsense and call it science.

(05-27-2012 11:10 AM)InjunJohn Wrote:  Look, Liberty is an accredited school. Students choose to attend. Maher has taken his hatred for religion and chose to attack the entire program and said that it cheapens his diploma. He, like some folks posting here, did not take a look at what all Liberty offers. I did.....try google. You will find that they offer many courses of study and actually have several PhD programs and I didn't see snake handling or speaking in tongues listed.

You really missed the point of the "cheapens my diploma" argument. It was hyperbole and used to illustrate the ridiculousness of the argument that homosexual marriage cheapens heterosexual marriage. Maher knows that a Liberty grads diploma has no more effect on his diploma than the effect of the relationship of a gay couple living in Seattle has on the relationship of a straight couple living in Charleston.

I've been enjoying this thread thus far but just to clarify liberty's science class teaches out of the same textbooks as duke or uva or Cornell, it is only in creation studies religion class where we discuss the young earth theory.

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I'm sorry but I have a hard time supporting a school that flaunts its bigotry so blatantly. My opinion of Liberty has less to do with the classes being taught there and more so the bigots being bred there.

If Troy were to ever have anything like the situation at Liberty I would immediately renounce my support and I would make the 45 minute drive up there just so I could piss on the chancellor's shoes.

I care so much more about social issues and freedoms than I do about sports, money, or national prestige. None of these Liberty fans on here seem able to claim the same. Obviously though, it is such a small percentage of their student population. It seems that they have the whole "Just ignore our bigotry and look at our cash" card down pretty well. Disgusting behavior to say the least.

I would hate for my school to be associated with that type of institution. The fact that they teach myth as fact is just icing on the cake.

(05-28-2012 08:44 AM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  I'm sorry but I have a hard time supporting a school that flaunts its bigotry so blatantly. My opinion of Liberty has less to do with the classes being taught there and more so the bigots being bred there.

If Troy were to ever have anything like the situation at Liberty I would immediately renounce my support and I would make the 45 minute drive up there just so I could piss on the chancellor's shoes.

I care so much more about social issues and freedoms than I do about sports, money, or national prestige. None of these Liberty fans on here seem able to claim the same. Obviously though, it is such a small percentage of their student population. It seems that they have the whole "Just ignore our bigotry and look at our cash" card down pretty well. Disgusting behavior to say the least.

I would hate for my school to be associated with that type of institution. The fact that they teach myth as fact is just icing on the cake.

So the truth comes out. You hate them because they have faith. You disagree with them therefore they are beneath contempt. You lump all the students and faculty together without knowing them. That is a sign of bigotry right there but I doubt you will admit it.

I have seen more vile and hate filled comments coming from liberal professors and faculty at fine upstanding universities than you have pointed out here. Look at the new jerk reaction at Duke during the Lacrosse scandal. Those players were accused of rape. They were hounded by a lying DA and over 100 faculty and adminstrators signed letters condeming them. Their season was ended, the coach fired, and many of them had to transfer. What happened? They were proven to be innocent. By the way, very few, if any, of those enlightened, open minded, liberal folks who attacked these young men didn't admit they overreacted, made a mistake....were flat out wrong. None issued an apology.

I have watched liberal professors attack the military. Schools who refuse to allow ROTC, refuse to allow military recruiters but are more than willing to keep their hands out for government funding for research.

You call them bigots but watch what happens when someone from the right disagrees with the left. That person is labeled a bigot, a racist, a homophobe without actually debating the person. You attacked their faith by calling it myth. Well you really don't know, now do you. You won't find out until you die. You have exposed yourself for what you are...you are just as closed minded as you claim them to be. Don't hide behind saying that you are more open because you are more accepting. You aren't! You are just accepting of people whose ideas you agree with...those you don't you shun and they aren't worth your time. You want to label them and insult them. That makes you just as guilty. I doubt you will agree with me because you come across as someone who feels is so much superior and someone who disagrees is beneath you.

To everyone else who has been posting and reading, I apologize for my rant. I will end here. But Paul, perhaps you should do a bit of soul searching before you want to condemn other folks.

(05-27-2012 05:24 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  

(05-27-2012 01:26 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-27-2012 11:10 AM)InjunJohn Wrote:  Well I don't know what they teach in their religion classes but I would bet they cover creation as well as evolution.

We're not talking about religion classes here, we're talking about science classes. I'm sure every one of the schools in the Sun Belt offers classes on religion and in those classes, they discuss the theology of those religions. The fossil record and evolution are both scientific fact. Teaching the theory that earth is only 5,000 years old and was created to appear older is perfectly acceptable in a religious classroom, but not in a science classroom. I guarantee you none of your aforementioned religiously affiliated universities teach that nonsense and call it science.

(05-27-2012 11:10 AM)InjunJohn Wrote:  Look, Liberty is an accredited school. Students choose to attend. Maher has taken his hatred for religion and chose to attack the entire program and said that it cheapens his diploma. He, like some folks posting here, did not take a look at what all Liberty offers. I did.....try google. You will find that they offer many courses of study and actually have several PhD programs and I didn't see snake handling or speaking in tongues listed.

You really missed the point of the "cheapens my diploma" argument. It was hyperbole and used to illustrate the ridiculousness of the argument that homosexual marriage cheapens heterosexual marriage. Maher knows that a Liberty grads diploma has no more effect on his diploma than the effect of the relationship of a gay couple living in Seattle has on the relationship of a straight couple living in Charleston.

I've been enjoying this thread thus far but just to clarify liberty's science class teaches out of the same textbooks as duke or uva or Cornell, it is only in creation studies religion class where we discuss the young earth theory.

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Is creation studies compulsory?

(05-28-2012 10:21 AM)InjunJohn Wrote:  

(05-28-2012 08:44 AM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  I'm sorry but I have a hard time supporting a school that flaunts its bigotry so blatantly. My opinion of Liberty has less to do with the classes being taught there and more so the bigots being bred there.

If Troy were to ever have anything like the situation at Liberty I would immediately renounce my support and I would make the 45 minute drive up there just so I could piss on the chancellor's shoes.

I care so much more about social issues and freedoms than I do about sports, money, or national prestige. None of these Liberty fans on here seem able to claim the same. Obviously though, it is such a small percentage of their student population. It seems that they have the whole "Just ignore our bigotry and look at our cash" card down pretty well. Disgusting behavior to say the least.

I would hate for my school to be associated with that type of institution. The fact that they teach myth as fact is just icing on the cake.

So the truth comes out. You hate them because they have faith. You disagree with them therefore they are beneath contempt. You lump all the students and faculty together without knowing them. That is a sign of bigotry right there but I doubt you will admit it.

I have seen more vile and hate filled comments coming from liberal professors and faculty at fine upstanding universities than you have pointed out here. Look at the new jerk reaction at Duke during the Lacrosse scandal. Those players were accused of rape. They were hounded by a lying DA and over 100 faculty and adminstrators signed letters condeming them. Their season was ended, the coach fired, and many of them had to transfer. What happened? They were proven to be innocent. By the way, very few, if any, of those enlightened, open minded, liberal folks who attacked these young men didn't admit they overreacted, made a mistake....were flat out wrong. None issued an apology.

I have watched liberal professors attack the military. Schools who refuse to allow ROTC, refuse to allow military recruiters but are more than willing to keep their hands out for government funding for research.

You call them bigots but watch what happens when someone from the right disagrees with the left. That person is labeled a bigot, a racist, a homophobe without actually debating the person. You attacked their faith by calling it myth. Well you really don't know, now do you. You won't find out until you die. You have exposed yourself for what you are...you are just as closed minded as you claim them to be. Don't hide behind saying that you are more open because you are more accepting. You aren't! You are just accepting of people whose ideas you agree with...those you don't you shun and they aren't worth your time. You want to label them and insult them. That makes you just as guilty. I doubt you will agree with me because you come across as someone who feels is so much superior and someone who disagrees is beneath you.

To everyone else who has been posting and reading, I apologize for my rant. I will end here. But Paul, perhaps you should do a bit of soul searching before you want to condemn other folks.

Straw man, through and through.

Once again, you threw the word hate out there, not me. I do not hate these people simply because I disagree with them. That would be the reason I didn't say I did. So, I really don't need you to say it for me and then attack me for something I never even said. Hence, straw man.

Also, you're missing a point. I may disagree with them but I'm not heading up a movement to take away or prohibit them from obtaining any rights and liberties they deserve. This seems to be their main goal when they preach their bigotry. They amend constitutions and make laws in order to belittle and degrade a group of people who are different. THAT is bigotry and I will disagree with it where ever it happens. If someone stood up one day and tried to take away Christian's right to be Christians then I would stand up against them as well.

To clarify, I was not grouping every person that attends Liberty together. I was criticizing the institution itself for allowing such garbage to take place. I made that pretty obvious in my last post but once again the straw man attacked.

I may be against what happens at Liberty but I will not try to take away their right to do it. However, we know that as soon as you criticize Christians being Christians then it turns immediately to you "hating" them.

(05-28-2012 11:31 AM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(05-28-2012 10:21 AM)InjunJohn Wrote:  

(05-28-2012 08:44 AM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  I'm sorry but I have a hard time supporting a school that flaunts its bigotry so blatantly. My opinion of Liberty has less to do with the classes being taught there and more so the bigots being bred there.

If Troy were to ever have anything like the situation at Liberty I would immediately renounce my support and I would make the 45 minute drive up there just so I could piss on the chancellor's shoes.

I care so much more about social issues and freedoms than I do about sports, money, or national prestige. None of these Liberty fans on here seem able to claim the same. Obviously though, it is such a small percentage of their student population. It seems that they have the whole "Just ignore our bigotry and look at our cash" card down pretty well. Disgusting behavior to say the least.

I would hate for my school to be associated with that type of institution. The fact that they teach myth as fact is just icing on the cake.

So the truth comes out. You hate them because they have faith. You disagree with them therefore they are beneath contempt. You lump all the students and faculty together without knowing them. That is a sign of bigotry right there but I doubt you will admit it.

I have seen more vile and hate filled comments coming from liberal professors and faculty at fine upstanding universities than you have pointed out here. Look at the new jerk reaction at Duke during the Lacrosse scandal. Those players were accused of rape. They were hounded by a lying DA and over 100 faculty and adminstrators signed letters condeming them. Their season was ended, the coach fired, and many of them had to transfer. What happened? They were proven to be innocent. By the way, very few, if any, of those enlightened, open minded, liberal folks who attacked these young men didn't admit they overreacted, made a mistake....were flat out wrong. None issued an apology.

I have watched liberal professors attack the military. Schools who refuse to allow ROTC, refuse to allow military recruiters but are more than willing to keep their hands out for government funding for research.

You call them bigots but watch what happens when someone from the right disagrees with the left. That person is labeled a bigot, a racist, a homophobe without actually debating the person. You attacked their faith by calling it myth. Well you really don't know, now do you. You won't find out until you die. You have exposed yourself for what you are...you are just as closed minded as you claim them to be. Don't hide behind saying that you are more open because you are more accepting. You aren't! You are just accepting of people whose ideas you agree with...those you don't you shun and they aren't worth your time. You want to label them and insult them. That makes you just as guilty. I doubt you will agree with me because you come across as someone who feels is so much superior and someone who disagrees is beneath you.

To everyone else who has been posting and reading, I apologize for my rant. I will end here. But Paul, perhaps you should do a bit of soul searching before you want to condemn other folks.

Straw man, through and through.

Once again, you threw the word hate out there, not me. I do not hate these people simply because I disagree with them. That would be the reason I didn't say I did. So, I really don't need you to say it for me and then attack me for something I never even said. Hence, straw man.

Also, you're missing a point. I may disagree with them but I'm not heading up a movement to take away or prohibit them from obtaining any rights and liberties they deserve. This seems to be their main goal when they preach their bigotry. They amend constitutions and make laws in order to belittle and degrade a group of people who are different. THAT is bigotry and I will disagree with it where ever it happens. If someone stood up one day and tried to take away Christian's right to be Christians then I would stand up against them as well.

To clarify, I was not grouping every person that attends Liberty together. I was criticizing the institution itself for allowing such garbage to take place. I made that pretty obvious in my last post but once again the straw man attacked.

I may be against what happens at Liberty but I will not try to take away their right to do it. However, we know that as soon as you criticize Christians being Christians then it turns immediately to you "hating" them.

That's just it, the ultra conservative Christian not only does not wish to associate with those they disagree with, they also wish to take away their rights. Their religion seeks to make all others conform to their beliefs, regardless of whether or not you're a member of their religion.

For the life of me I cannot understand the logic behind opposing same sex marriage. What the government recognizing the relationship between two men or two women has to do with the government recognized relationship between a man and a woman and their bible is beyond me. I understand that your book tells you its wrong and that you probably think it's gross, but their relationship being recognized has absolutely zero effect on your own.

(05-28-2012 12:03 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-28-2012 11:31 AM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(05-28-2012 10:21 AM)InjunJohn Wrote:  

(05-28-2012 08:44 AM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  I'm sorry but I have a hard time supporting a school that flaunts its bigotry so blatantly. My opinion of Liberty has less to do with the classes being taught there and more so the bigots being bred there.

If Troy were to ever have anything like the situation at Liberty I would immediately renounce my support and I would make the 45 minute drive up there just so I could piss on the chancellor's shoes.

I care so much more about social issues and freedoms than I do about sports, money, or national prestige. None of these Liberty fans on here seem able to claim the same. Obviously though, it is such a small percentage of their student population. It seems that they have the whole "Just ignore our bigotry and look at our cash" card down pretty well. Disgusting behavior to say the least.

I would hate for my school to be associated with that type of institution. The fact that they teach myth as fact is just icing on the cake.

So the truth comes out. You hate them because they have faith. You disagree with them therefore they are beneath contempt. You lump all the students and faculty together without knowing them. That is a sign of bigotry right there but I doubt you will admit it.

I have seen more vile and hate filled comments coming from liberal professors and faculty at fine upstanding universities than you have pointed out here. Look at the new jerk reaction at Duke during the Lacrosse scandal. Those players were accused of rape. They were hounded by a lying DA and over 100 faculty and adminstrators signed letters condeming them. Their season was ended, the coach fired, and many of them had to transfer. What happened? They were proven to be innocent. By the way, very few, if any, of those enlightened, open minded, liberal folks who attacked these young men didn't admit they overreacted, made a mistake....were flat out wrong. None issued an apology.

I have watched liberal professors attack the military. Schools who refuse to allow ROTC, refuse to allow military recruiters but are more than willing to keep their hands out for government funding for research.

You call them bigots but watch what happens when someone from the right disagrees with the left. That person is labeled a bigot, a racist, a homophobe without actually debating the person. You attacked their faith by calling it myth. Well you really don't know, now do you. You won't find out until you die. You have exposed yourself for what you are...you are just as closed minded as you claim them to be. Don't hide behind saying that you are more open because you are more accepting. You aren't! You are just accepting of people whose ideas you agree with...those you don't you shun and they aren't worth your time. You want to label them and insult them. That makes you just as guilty. I doubt you will agree with me because you come across as someone who feels is so much superior and someone who disagrees is beneath you.

To everyone else who has been posting and reading, I apologize for my rant. I will end here. But Paul, perhaps you should do a bit of soul searching before you want to condemn other folks.

Straw man, through and through.

Once again, you threw the word hate out there, not me. I do not hate these people simply because I disagree with them. That would be the reason I didn't say I did. So, I really don't need you to say it for me and then attack me for something I never even said. Hence, straw man.

Also, you're missing a point. I may disagree with them but I'm not heading up a movement to take away or prohibit them from obtaining any rights and liberties they deserve. This seems to be their main goal when they preach their bigotry. They amend constitutions and make laws in order to belittle and degrade a group of people who are different. THAT is bigotry and I will disagree with it where ever it happens. If someone stood up one day and tried to take away Christian's right to be Christians then I would stand up against them as well.

To clarify, I was not grouping every person that attends Liberty together. I was criticizing the institution itself for allowing such garbage to take place. I made that pretty obvious in my last post but once again the straw man attacked.

I may be against what happens at Liberty but I will not try to take away their right to do it. However, we know that as soon as you criticize Christians being Christians then it turns immediately to you "hating" them.

That's just it, the ultra conservative Christian not only does not wish to associate with those they disagree with, they also wish to take away their rights. Their religion seeks to make all others conform to their beliefs, regardless of whether or not you're a member of their religion.

For the life of me I cannot understand the logic behind opposing same sex marriage. What the government recognizing the relationship between two men or two women has to do with the government recognized relationship between a man and a woman and their bible is beyond me. I understand that your book tells you its wrong and that you probably think it's gross, but their relationship being recognized has absolutely zero effect on your own.

Now he has nothing to say. Imagine that...

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Now he has nothing to say. Imagine that...


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Well if you had bothered to read my post you would have seen that I was going to stay out of it Paul. But you want to take a shot so will kindly respond.

You started this thread to take a shot at Liberty and a shot at its students. You protested your innocence by saying that you weren't but I point you to your own words....“I'm sorry but I have a hard time supporting a school that flaunts its bigotry so blatantly. My opinion of Liberty has less to do with the classes being taught there and more so the bigots being bred there.” Then you proceed to insult Jews, Christians, and Muslims as all believe in some sort of creationism with this comment....“I would hate for my school to be associated with that type of institution. The fact that they teach myth as fact is just icing on the cake.” And you follow it up with “Also, this right wing mentality that if it is the minority then it is wrong is such an odd thing to attach oneself to”. So you equate the teachings of three major religions as a myth and turn around and attack "right wingers" for attacking someone with a minority opinion. When corrected by a student of Liberty that Creationism is only talked about in those classes and not in other classes, you chose to ignore it.

Most of the comments were about Bill Maher and you jumped to his defense because you "watch more than any of us." I asked you about specific comments that he has made and you chose to ignore that. It is quite obvious to me, regardless of your protestations, that you are quite alright with the attacks Maher makes, whether it is against religion, religous people, conservatives, or people that disagree with him. I get that. I can assume from your defense and your own comments that you and he think alike. Yet you reveal yourself and your attitudes by making generalized statements about the "bigots being raised there" and apparently know little to nothing about their programs. But it is ok for you to attack them while loudly proclaiming your defense of their right to worship, practice religion, etc.

I used the example of Duke lacross as an example of liberal attacks and then no consequences being paid or no remorse shown. Bill Maher does this on a consistent basis. Not a debate, not an exchange of ideas, but some pretty hateful insults. You have hurled your own insults but just can't see it.

By the way, go back and read my posts and you will see where I said I am not religous and tend to be agnostic. So this isn't a religous fight for me. I personally don't care for hypocrites on either side of the aisle!

It couldn't have been any easier if I had just shoved a hook into your mouth and reeled you in...

Perhaps it is you that needs a little more reading comprehension in your life. I refuted your use of the word "hate". Point out one sentence where I said I hated someone hotshot. You can continue to skip stones whenever your points are proven null and void.

Also, you need to learn to plan your points of attack a little better.
As you just pointed out, I stated that my problem was not so much the classes being taught at a private institution but instead, the bigots being bred there. Then you bashed me for pointing out the idiotic logic behind claiming a minority view is always wrong and then attempted to somehow connect that with the fact that I ignored someone who was bringing up the classes that you already stated that I stated I didn't care about. Run in circles much? Or perhaps just dead ends?

Next, you need to open a history book. Religion breeds bigotry. It has been true since religion existed and will always be true as long as it stays in its present form. Religion requires you to be a bigot. You are told to be a bigot. You are told to despise homosexuality, women, slaves, people of different religions, and people with no religion. If you don't understand that then go ahead and bow out.

As far as insulting all these different creationism believers, I suppose you could say I did. Then, in turn, every time someone says that god exists could be considered an insult to me using your logic. How stupid is that? I'm not insulted when people run around claiming this and claiming that just because I don't agree with them. If what I says insults them then perhaps they need to strengthen their own confidence about that which they believe.

The Bill Maher situation is ridiculous as well. You asked me to quote a man that has had quite a few shows on TV. I'm sorry if I can't remember every single word out of his mouth verbatim. Look it up your damn self if you care that much. I do not agree with everything out of his mouth just as I do not agree with everything that comes out of anyone's mouth.

Finally, please explain your in depth knowledge of what I know. You seem to know so well my every feeling and opinion on every single thing.

BEING INTOLERANT OF INTOLERANCE IS NOT BIGOTRY. I swear if I have to spell that out for one more person on this forum. You see, what I do is called criticism. I sit here on the computer and let my opinions fly. That is the literally worst thing I do to those I disagree with. You on the other hand just admitted in another thread to verbally accosting a man who was exercising his freedoms of which you claimed to be so proud existed in the first place.

The people I criticize though, actually go out of their way to try and remove rights and liberties from people. They makes laws to degrade groups who are simply different. I am truly failing to see where you can still put a foot down on this...

(05-29-2012 08:28 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  It couldn't have been any easier if I had just shoved a hook into your mouth and reeled you in...

Perhaps it is you that needs a little more reading comprehension in your life. I refuted your use of the word "hate". Point out one sentence where I said I hated someone hotshot. You can continue to skip stones whenever your points are proven null and void.

Also, you need to learn to plan your points of attack a little better.
As you just pointed out, I stated that my problem was not so much the classes being taught at a private institution but instead, the bigots being bred there. Then you bashed me for pointing out the idiotic logic behind claiming a minority view is always wrong and then attempted to somehow connect that with the fact that I ignored someone who was bringing up the classes that you already stated that I stated I didn't care about. Run in circles much? Or perhaps just dead ends?

Next, you need to open a history book. Religion breeds bigotry. It has been true since religion existed and will always be true as long as it stays in its present form. Religion requires you to be a bigot. You are told to be a bigot. You are told to despise homosexuality, women, slaves, people of different religions, and people with no religion. If you don't understand that then go ahead and bow out.

As far as insulting all these different creationism believers, I suppose you could say I did. Then, in turn, every time someone says that god exists could be considered an insult to me using your logic. How stupid is that? I'm not insulted when people run around claiming this and claiming that just because I don't agree with them. If what I says insults them then perhaps they need to strengthen their own confidence about that which they believe.

The Bill Maher situation is ridiculous as well. You asked me to quote a man that has had quite a few shows on TV. I'm sorry if I can't remember every single word out of his mouth verbatim. Look it up your damn self if you care that much. I do not agree with everything out of his mouth just as I do not agree with everything that comes out of anyone's mouth.

Finally, please explain your in depth knowledge of what I know. You seem to know so well my every feeling and opinion on every single thing.

BEING INTOLERANT OF INTOLERANCE IS NOT BIGOTRY. I swear if I have to spell that out for one more person on this forum. You see, what I do is called criticism. I sit here on the computer and let my opinions fly. That is the literally worst thing I do to those I disagree with. You on the other hand just admitted in another thread to verbally accosting a man who was exercising his freedoms of which you claimed to be so proud existed in the first place.

The people I criticize though, actually go out of their way to try and remove rights and liberties from people. They makes laws to degrade groups who are simply different. I am truly failing to see where you can still put a foot down on this...

Alright Troy, I have had enough of you claiming that Liberty breeds bigots, believe it or not I take exception to that. It's funny you can be so hateful to those that disagree with your viewpoint and then turn around and claim innocence when someone calls you out on it.

Second, your claim that religion breeds bigotry is pure ignorance. Look do people skew what the true meaning of something is, yes. Do people misunderstand, and do people miss the mark, yes and yes. The root of christianity is Love, bottom line. No where in my bible does it say to despise the homosexual, it says to despise the sin of the homosexual but it calls us to love that person. That is the entire point of the Gospel, is to Love. Do we screw that up? Yes, there are MANY MANY "christians" that screw up and say things that fly against christianity and I can understand why so many are against it. Christians are Christianity's worst enemy at times. Bottom Line though, it's all about Love, there are some of us that get that and many of us that don't, but please do not lump every christian you know into the bigot category just like I won't lump every homosexual I know into the going to hell category. The person shaking the bible at homo's paul, is probably the same person who is having an affair, lying, coveting, etc. Those christians miss the point that judging someone who is a homosexaul is a sin. They do not see the plank in their own eyes. Jesus said to cast the stone he who has not sinned, yet many sinners are casting stones at sinners, hypocrites. Its all about Grace, in that while we were still sinners Christ died for us.

Paul I am sorry you have had bad experiences with Christians and for the many hurtful things Dr. Falwell said. Let's move past that and realize that we all do things we are ashamed of, stop the name calling and the hating because of different beliefs and try to live peacably with one another, like true christianity tells us to.

(05-28-2012 12:03 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  That's just it, the ultra conservative Christian not only does not wish to associate with those they disagree with, they also wish to take away their rights. Their religion seeks to make all others conform to their beliefs, regardless of whether or not you're a member of their religion.

Funny that looks familar these days. Flags flying. Communism(socialism) signs. The targets change but the participants and rhetoric stay the same.

(05-29-2012 08:57 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 08:28 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  It couldn't have been any easier if I had just shoved a hook into your mouth and reeled you in...

Perhaps it is you that needs a little more reading comprehension in your life. I refuted your use of the word "hate". Point out one sentence where I said I hated someone hotshot. You can continue to skip stones whenever your points are proven null and void.

Also, you need to learn to plan your points of attack a little better.
As you just pointed out, I stated that my problem was not so much the classes being taught at a private institution but instead, the bigots being bred there. Then you bashed me for pointing out the idiotic logic behind claiming a minority view is always wrong and then attempted to somehow connect that with the fact that I ignored someone who was bringing up the classes that you already stated that I stated I didn't care about. Run in circles much? Or perhaps just dead ends?

Next, you need to open a history book. Religion breeds bigotry. It has been true since religion existed and will always be true as long as it stays in its present form. Religion requires you to be a bigot. You are told to be a bigot. You are told to despise homosexuality, women, slaves, people of different religions, and people with no religion. If you don't understand that then go ahead and bow out.

As far as insulting all these different creationism believers, I suppose you could say I did. Then, in turn, every time someone says that god exists could be considered an insult to me using your logic. How stupid is that? I'm not insulted when people run around claiming this and claiming that just because I don't agree with them. If what I says insults them then perhaps they need to strengthen their own confidence about that which they believe.

The Bill Maher situation is ridiculous as well. You asked me to quote a man that has had quite a few shows on TV. I'm sorry if I can't remember every single word out of his mouth verbatim. Look it up your damn self if you care that much. I do not agree with everything out of his mouth just as I do not agree with everything that comes out of anyone's mouth.

Finally, please explain your in depth knowledge of what I know. You seem to know so well my every feeling and opinion on every single thing.

BEING INTOLERANT OF INTOLERANCE IS NOT BIGOTRY. I swear if I have to spell that out for one more person on this forum. You see, what I do is called criticism. I sit here on the computer and let my opinions fly. That is the literally worst thing I do to those I disagree with. You on the other hand just admitted in another thread to verbally accosting a man who was exercising his freedoms of which you claimed to be so proud existed in the first place.

The people I criticize though, actually go out of their way to try and remove rights and liberties from people. They makes laws to degrade groups who are simply different. I am truly failing to see where you can still put a foot down on this...

Alright Troy, I have had enough of you claiming that Liberty breeds bigots, believe it or not I take exception to that. It's funny you can be so hateful to those that disagree with your viewpoint and then turn around and claim innocence when someone calls you out on it.

Second, your claim that religion breeds bigotry is pure ignorance. Look do people skew what the true meaning of something is, yes. Do people misunderstand, and do people miss the mark, yes and yes. The root of christianity is Love, bottom line. No where in my bible does it say to despise the homosexual, it says to despise the sin of the homosexual but it calls us to love that person. That is the entire point of the Gospel, is to Love. Do we screw that up? Yes, there are MANY MANY "christians" that screw up and say things that fly against christianity and I can understand why so many are against it. Christians are Christianity's worst enemy at times. Bottom Line though, it's all about Love, there are some of us that get that and many of us that don't, but please do not lump every christian you know into the bigot category just like I won't lump every homosexual I know into the going to hell category. The person shaking the bible at homo's paul, is probably the same person who is having an affair, lying, coveting, etc. Those christians miss the point that judging someone who is a homosexaul is a sin. They do not see the plank in their own eyes. Jesus said to cast the stone he who has not sinned, yet many sinners are casting stones at sinners, hypocrites. Its all about Grace, in that while we were still sinners Christ died for us.

Paul I am sorry you have had bad experiences with Christians and for the many hurtful things Dr. Falwell said. Let's move past that and realize that we all do things we are ashamed of, stop the name calling and the hating because of different beliefs and try to live peacably with one another, like true christianity tells us to.

Seriously? I don't even know how to start telling you how that didn't make sense.

I mean you basically said, "Christianity doesn't breed bigots! Are there a lot of Christian bigots? Yes!"

Once again this whole hate thing. Let me ask you, does it make you feel better to portray me as some kind of hatemonger? Does it make you feel more self righteous? I don't hate you or anyone like you. <---Can you read this? Are you sure?

I also love how when Christians do bad things then they aren't really Christians. This cop-out has been used forever.

You aren't going to lump every homosexual into the "going to hell" category? You have the ability to decide who goes to hell and who doesn't? Wow, I'm quite certain your book says otherwise. Strange that...

I'm also uncertain as to how you know anything about me personally. My best friend is a hardcore conservative, hardcore Christian, and is quite well against homosexuality. Actually, living in south Alabama, that is pretty much everyone here. Yet, miraculously, I have somehow survived amidst all my "hate" and "fervent aggressiveness" toward literally every single person around me.

I dont think Liberty is an appropriate partner for us and disagree with their political stance but... Bill Maher is anger porn though. Just like Rush Limbaugh or the 700 Club. No one learns anything new, nobody's mind is changed, and the viewer/listener who agrees with the speaker just gets angry. Anger porn.