(05-10-2012 02:29 PM)EERSFAN Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 02:23 PM)TommyC2 Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 02:18 PM)EERSFAN Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 02:11 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  It's more likely for Texas and ND to join the ACC than FSU and Clemson to go to the Big 12.

Do you really believe that?

I do not believe that either scenario is likely but if I were forced to choose, I absolutely believe that ND and Texas to the ACC to make 16 teams is more likely than FSU and Clemson to the Big XII.

You realize the Big 12 has signed a 6 year GOR, is on the verge of signing a 13 GOR, is on the verge of signing a larger TV contract, and, the kicker, The Longhorn Network is completely incompatible with the ACC. Not to mention ND is not giving up independence anytime soon either.

Meanwhile, FSU and Clemson are talking details with the Big 12.

No proof of any FSU or Clemson talk with Big 12. Also, never said it would be this year for Texas and ND move.

(05-10-2012 02:31 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 02:29 PM)EERSFAN Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 02:23 PM)TommyC2 Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 02:18 PM)EERSFAN Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 02:11 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  It's more likely for Texas and ND to join the ACC than FSU and Clemson to go to the Big 12.

Do you really believe that?

I do not believe that either scenario is likely but if I were forced to choose, I absolutely believe that ND and Texas to the ACC to make 16 teams is more likely than FSU and Clemson to the Big XII.

You realize the Big 12 has signed a 6 year GOR, is on the verge of signing a 13 GOR, is on the verge of signing a larger TV contract, and, the kicker, The Longhorn Network is completely incompatible with the ACC. Not to mention ND is not giving up independence anytime soon either.

Meanwhile, FSU and Clemson are talking details with the Big 12.

No proof of any FSU or Clemson talk with Big 12. Also, never said it would be this year for Texas and ND move.

Florida St and Clemson are not talking to the Big XII. It is absolutely insane to believe that Clemson University would end a fifty plus year association with the ACC and other Universities like UNC, Duke, UVA and Wake Forest to move to the Big XII.

The Big XII was teetering on extinction just a year ago. I credit the Big XII for picking up the pieces. It seems like they are well on their way to getting the house in order. That is why I say that I think it unlikely Texas will ever be in the ACC. I would say there is less than a 1% chance that Texas would ever join the ACC. I also think that there is less than a 5% chance Notre Dame will ever be in the ACC.

I just think that there is No Chance (absolutley 0% chance) that Clemson and FSU will ever be in the Big XII.

(05-10-2012 02:41 PM)TommyC2 Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 02:31 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 02:29 PM)EERSFAN Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 02:23 PM)TommyC2 Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 02:18 PM)EERSFAN Wrote:  Do you really believe that?

I do not believe that either scenario is likely but if I were forced to choose, I absolutely believe that ND and Texas to the ACC to make 16 teams is more likely than FSU and Clemson to the Big XII.

You realize the Big 12 has signed a 6 year GOR, is on the verge of signing a 13 GOR, is on the verge of signing a larger TV contract, and, the kicker, The Longhorn Network is completely incompatible with the ACC. Not to mention ND is not giving up independence anytime soon either.

Meanwhile, FSU and Clemson are talking details with the Big 12.

No proof of any FSU or Clemson talk with Big 12. Also, never said it would be this year for Texas and ND move.

Florida St and Clemson are not talking to the Big XII. It is absolutely insane to believe that Clemson University would end a fifty plus year association with the ACC and other Universities like UNC, Duke, UVA and Wake Forest to move to the Big XII.

The Big XII was teetering on extinction just a year ago. I credit the Big XII for picking up the pieces. It seems like they are well on their way to getting the house in order. That is why I say that I think it unlikely Texas will ever be in the ACC. I would say there is less than a 1% chance that Texas would ever join the ACC. I also think that there is less than a 5% chance Notre Dame will ever be in the ACC.

I just think that there is No Chance (absolutley 0% chance) that Clemson and FSU will ever be in the Big XII.

And yet.....BC left the league it helped to found.

Now another charter member has left too.

You left off ACC adding Notre Dame + Rutgers!

Most likely is UConn and Louisville.

This is retarded.

That said, this highly improbable scenario would get us our NC and VA schools and get the SEC so much money it breaks off and forms it's own independent sports association!

If the Big 12 gets Fl. State & Clemson then the SEC gets Oklahoma & Oklahoma St. while Texas & Texas Tech bolt for the PAC 12.....And after all that UofL, UC, Houston & SMU get into the Big 12...

UNC is not going anywhere. Take it from someone who born and raised in NC. They beleive they are the ACC and will never leave or let it die. With UNC and a couple other schools left behind they will simply raid the BE and/or some non-AQ conference schools if they get picked too thin. The ACC will still be higher up the food chain than the nBE just like the nBE is to the Alliance now. The nBE won't die either. They will simply pick off more non-AQ schools as replacements.

What nobody wants Duke football!

I don't think the B12 will take just four teams. I think they'll take 12, leaving Pitt and Syracuse to find new partners. I then expect Pitt and Syracuse to invite many of the current BE teams to join the ACC. I think the BE will then respond by going all hoops and SDSU and BSU will go back to the west, reviving the WAC in the process.

(05-10-2012 05:46 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I don't think the B12 will take just four teams. I think they'll take 12, leaving Pitt and Syracuse to find new partners. I then expect Pitt and Syracuse to invite many of the current BE teams to join the ACC. I think the BE will then respond by going all hoops and SDSU and BSU will go back to the west, reviving the WAC in the process.

LOL. NO doc - seeing how WVU obviously controls the Big 12 now, they'll take 13 so sPitt as they say will be left all alone with no friends.

(05-10-2012 03:58 PM)cardshouse Wrote:  If the Big 12 gets Fl. State & Clemson then the SEC gets Oklahoma & Oklahoma St. while Texas & Texas Tech bolt for the PAC 12.....And after all that UofL, UC, Houston & SMU get into the Big 12...

Tech people will deny it until the end but Texas and Tech are not tied at the hip. Pac 12 wants absolutely nothing to do with Tech.

(05-10-2012 01:26 PM)EERSFAN Wrote:  If the Big 12 takes FSU, Clemson, the U, and Maryland, how does the ACC respond?

It's kind of fun that this is not just blood and guts serious, so I'll take a shot. First of all if I'm the Big 12 I go ahead and take 6 because 14 won't let you break off into pods and 16 gives you an extra round of conference championship games and $2.05 million more to the 26.15 million you would be making already.

I would take F.S.U., Clemson, Pitt, Ga Tech, Louisville, and Miami.

That gives you 4 SEC rivals, the largest city in the South and F.S.U.'s 2nd rival leaving them room to play the Gators OOC.

It gives you basketball talent with decent football in Louisville and adds 5 states to the profile. Miami is a question because do you want two from Florida? You need them to finish the South pod and round out F.S.U.'s schedule.

The Big 12/16 now looks llike this:
North: Iowa State, Louisville, Pitt, West Virginia
Plains: Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
Lone Star: Texas, Texas Tech, Texas Christian, Baylor
South: Miami, Ga Tech, Clemson, F.S.U.

Now what happens to the ACC when N.C.State and Va Tech do go to the SEC? Remember they are now down 7 teams.

If they are totally consumed the Big 10 takes Maryland, UNC, Virginia, and Duke. Three states, 4 AAU schools. Wake joins, Syracuse and BC as they go back to the Big East.

If they are not raided by the Big 10 the ACC takes: Rutgers, UConn, Rice, Tulane, Southern Methodist, Army, Navy, Air Force, and Notre Dame to get back to 16. It is now truly an all academic league and ND joins as a full member because there is absolutely no one left who can beat them, except maybe Navy four times in a century. The ACC then votes for a champions only format that assures ND they are in the dance annually.

The ACC now looks like this:
New England: Notre Dame, Rutgers, Syracuse, Army
Capital Coastal: Boston College, Maryland, UConn, Navy
Carolina Coastal: Duke, North Carolina, Wake Forest, Virginia
Gulf Coastal: Southern Methodist, Rice, Tulane, Air Force JR

(05-10-2012 10:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 01:26 PM)EERSFAN Wrote:  If the Big 12 takes FSU, Clemson, the U, and Maryland, how does the ACC respond?

It's kind of fun that this is not just blood and guts serious, so I'll take a shot. First of all if I'm the Big 12 I go ahead and take 6 because 14 won't let you break off into pods and 16 gives you an extra round of conference championship games and $2.05 million more to the 26.15 million you would be making already.

I would take F.S.U., Clemson, Pitt, Ga Tech, Louisville, and Miami.

That gives you 4 SEC rivals, the largest city in the South and F.S.U.'s 2nd rival leaving them room to play the Gators OOC.

It gives you basketball talent with decent football in Louisville and adds 5 states to the profile. Miami is a question because do you want two from Florida? You need them to finish the South pod and round out F.S.U.'s schedule.

The Big 12/16 now looks llike this:
North: Iowa State, Louisville, Pitt, West Virginia
Plains: Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
Lone Star: Texas, Texas Tech, Texas Christian, Baylor
South: Miami, Ga Tech, Clemson, F.S.U.

Now what happens to the ACC when N.C.State and Va Tech do go to the SEC? Remember they are now down 7 teams.

If they are totally consumed the Big 10 takes Maryland, UNC, Virginia, and Duke. Three states, 4 AAU schools. Wake joins, Syracuse and BC as they go back to the Big East.

If they are not raided by the Big 10 the ACC takes: Rutgers, UConn, Rice, Tulane, Southern Methodist, Army, Navy, Air Force, and Notre Dame to get back to 16. It is now truly an all academic league and ND joins as a full member because there is absolutely no one left who can beat them, except maybe Navy four times in a century. The ACC then votes for a champions only format that assures ND they are in the dance annually.

The ACC now looks like this:
New England: Notre Dame, Rutgers, Syracuse, Army
Capital Coastal: Boston College, Maryland, UConn, Navy
Carolina Coastal: Duke, North Carolina, Wake Forest, Virginia
Gulf Coastal: Southern Methodist, Rice, Tulane, Air Force JR

Well JR I really can only comment about the last part of your post because the rest looks eerily similiar to me for some reason.

Notre Dame will still schedule strong games for all of it's OOC games because that ACC will be an extremely weak schedule. With SOS meaning so much, yes Notre Dame could just push for an easy undefeated season but I think Terry would back up what I am about to say.....the Notre Dame faithful would not accept it. You would have USC, Michigan and one more of their usual games that would be a strong one. With their weak SOS a single loss could take them out of the tournament.

(05-10-2012 10:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 01:26 PM)EERSFAN Wrote:  If the Big 12 takes FSU, Clemson, the U, and Maryland, how does the ACC respond?

It's kind of fun that this is not just blood and guts serious, so I'll take a shot. First of all if I'm the Big 12 I go ahead and take 6 because 14 won't let you break off into pods and 16 gives you an extra round of conference championship games and $2.05 million more to the 26.15 million you would be making already.

I would take F.S.U., Clemson, Pitt, Ga Tech, Louisville, and Miami.

That gives you 4 SEC rivals, the largest city in the South and F.S.U.'s 2nd rival leaving them room to play the Gators OOC.

It gives you basketball talent with decent football in Louisville and adds 5 states to the profile. Miami is a question because do you want two from Florida? You need them to finish the South pod and round out F.S.U.'s schedule.

The Big 12/16 now looks llike this:
North: Iowa State, Louisville, Pitt, West Virginia
Plains: Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
Lone Star: Texas, Texas Tech, Texas Christian, Baylor
South: Miami, Ga Tech, Clemson, F.S.U.

Now what happens to the ACC when N.C.State and Va Tech do go to the SEC? Remember they are now down 7 teams.

If they are totally consumed the Big 10 takes Maryland, UNC, Virginia, and Duke. Three states, 4 AAU schools. Wake joins, Syracuse and BC as they go back to the Big East.

If they are not raided by the Big 10 the ACC takes: Rutgers, UConn, Rice, Tulane, Southern Methodist, Army, Navy, Air Force, and Notre Dame to get back to 16. It is now truly an all academic league and ND joins as a full member because there is absolutely no one left who can beat them, except maybe Navy four times in a century. The ACC then votes for a champions only format that assures ND they are in the dance annually.

The ACC now looks like this:
New England: Notre Dame, Rutgers, Syracuse, Army
Capital Coastal: Boston College, Maryland, UConn, Navy
Carolina Coastal: Duke, North Carolina, Wake Forest, Virginia
Gulf Coastal: Southern Methodist, Rice, Tulane, Air Force JR

If they don't panic, even if its just SU, BC and Wake, they don't join the Big East mess. They take who they want from the Big East, which may or may not include some of the basketball schools. The NCAA rules are more flexible for conferences, so going below 6 teams doesn't lose all your automatic bids. You can reload.

Here is the problem though bullet.

IF the Big 12 gets all that he is saying they get and the SEC then has V Tech and NC STate approach them then the value of the ACC is definitely irrepairable. That new 17 mil contract would shrink immediately and massively. So if you are UNC/UVA/UMD/Duke are you going to want to sit there with your 10 mil or are you going to listen to your little turtle brother who has these neighbors to the north that he is friends with. When those four start comparing what they have vs what they could have with those to the north it will then become very difficult to want to rebuild the ACC knowing it will never be what it once was. Just asking you to think with what a North Carolina mentality would be in THAT situation not the current situation they are in where the ACC is sitting great.

UNC/UVA/UMD/Duke would fit in academically with the Big Ten. I think the strengths of that quad merge well with the strengths of the Big Ten. They might need to have a seperate conference for sports that the Big 12 does not carry but to be honest, in that very desperate situation those sports really arent going to be factors.

(05-11-2012 08:53 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Here is the problem though bullet.

IF the Big 12 gets all that he is saying they get and the SEC then has V Tech and NC STate approach them then the value of the ACC is definitely irrepairable. That new 17 mil contract would shrink immediately and massively. So if you are UNC/UVA/UMD/Duke are you going to want to sit there with your 10 mil or are you going to listen to your little turtle brother who has these neighbors to the north that he is friends with. When those four start comparing what they have vs what they could have with those to the north it will then become very difficult to want to rebuild the ACC knowing it will never be what it once was. Just asking you to think with what a North Carolina mentality would be in THAT situation not the current situation they are in where the ACC is sitting great.

UNC/UVA/UMD/Duke would fit in academically with the Big Ten. I think the strengths of that quad merge well with the strengths of the Big Ten. They might need to have a seperate conference for sports that the Big 12 does not carry but to be honest, in that very desperate situation those sports really arent going to be factors.

Sorry there He1nous I didn't read the whole board which was 4 pages deep when I posted, and I did just think this was a for fun hypothetical operation. I think June will be very interesting. JR

(05-11-2012 11:48 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-11-2012 08:53 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Here is the problem though bullet.

IF the Big 12 gets all that he is saying they get and the SEC then has V Tech and NC STate approach them then the value of the ACC is definitely irrepairable. That new 17 mil contract would shrink immediately and massively. So if you are UNC/UVA/UMD/Duke are you going to want to sit there with your 10 mil or are you going to listen to your little turtle brother who has these neighbors to the north that he is friends with. When those four start comparing what they have vs what they could have with those to the north it will then become very difficult to want to rebuild the ACC knowing it will never be what it once was. Just asking you to think with what a North Carolina mentality would be in THAT situation not the current situation they are in where the ACC is sitting great.

UNC/UVA/UMD/Duke would fit in academically with the Big Ten. I think the strengths of that quad merge well with the strengths of the Big Ten. They might need to have a seperate conference for sports that the Big 12 does not carry but to be honest, in that very desperate situation those sports really arent going to be factors.

Sorry there He1nous I didn't read the whole board which was 4 pages deep when I posted, and I did just think this was a for fun hypothetical operation. I think June will be very interesting. JR

If you are talking about the eerily similiar comment, that is because the line up you listed was exactly like the one I have been hypothesizing about in previous threads. Its not a bad thing, just not much for me to say in response if I am in agreement.

Everything for me is hypothetical until those BCS meetings are over.

(05-11-2012 11:56 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(05-11-2012 11:48 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-11-2012 08:53 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Here is the problem though bullet.

IF the Big 12 gets all that he is saying they get and the SEC then has V Tech and NC STate approach them then the value of the ACC is definitely irrepairable. That new 17 mil contract would shrink immediately and massively. So if you are UNC/UVA/UMD/Duke are you going to want to sit there with your 10 mil or are you going to listen to your little turtle brother who has these neighbors to the north that he is friends with. When those four start comparing what they have vs what they could have with those to the north it will then become very difficult to want to rebuild the ACC knowing it will never be what it once was. Just asking you to think with what a North Carolina mentality would be in THAT situation not the current situation they are in where the ACC is sitting great.

UNC/UVA/UMD/Duke would fit in academically with the Big Ten. I think the strengths of that quad merge well with the strengths of the Big Ten. They might need to have a seperate conference for sports that the Big 12 does not carry but to be honest, in that very desperate situation those sports really arent going to be factors.

Sorry there He1nous I didn't read the whole board which was 4 pages deep when I posted, and I did just think this was a for fun hypothetical operation. I think June will be very interesting. JR

If you are talking about the eerily similiar comment, that is because the line up you listed was exactly like the one I have been hypothesizing about in previous threads. Its not a bad thing, just not much for me to say in response if I am in agreement.

Everything for me is hypothetical until those BCS meetings are over.

If you look at it from a Big 12 perspective, where in an ideal world you can have what you most desire, it makes perfect sense. If I'm the Big 12 I really would prefer Pitt to Maryland.

Don't worry about me He1nous, my perfect world perspective is still very different in some regards from yours.

I even had a wild idea last night that we may be headed to 3 superconferences instead of 4 or 5. It was because the distribution of talent, schools that turn a profit, and true geographical fit work better if there are only 3. I doubt the thought was realistic, but the logic was fairly sound. Play with that idea, if like me, you are getting bored with the ones that have been kicked around for a year now. JR

(05-10-2012 09:36 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 03:58 PM)cardshouse Wrote:  If the Big 12 gets Fl. State & Clemson then the SEC gets Oklahoma & Oklahoma St. while Texas & Texas Tech bolt for the PAC 12.....And after all that UofL, UC, Houston & SMU get into the Big 12...

Tech people will deny it until the end but Texas and Tech are not tied at the hip. Pac 12 wants absolutely nothing to do with Tech.

You have proof of that? Granted the invite was contingent on UT but Larry Scott flew to Lubbock with an invitation to the PAC 12.

One vote for UL and Rutgers. UC doesn't have the football staduim

Jackson