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(05-04-2012 03:49 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Either way I think you guys are going to be keeping MTSU. ODU is going to realize this is the best opportunity they will ever get to be FBS, and it gets them in a football league with us, which is a big deal for them.

I think so too. The road to FBS doesn't get much easier than it is right now.....they won't pass it up.
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I really hate that article, I believe it is creating false hope for MT fans who aren't tracking things closely. ODU hired Wood Selig specifically because they wanted someone who has transition experience.

I suspect what has happened is that the CUSA expansion scenario played out like I was told it did. ODU wasn't in the serious hunt until the eastern bloc balked at UTSA and La.Tech. ODU didn't have a fully developed plan and didn't have approval to pursue FBS and now has to get something together to figure out the cost of the move, the differences in travel and the viability of future scheduling and a facilities plan.

CUSA I believe fully expects they can get the paperwork done and approved or else they would have moved on. Remember we are dealing with Virginia politics (VT wasn't supposed to be in the ACC) so it could fall apart, but I suspect that is unlikely.
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(05-04-2012 04:02 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I really hate that article, I believe it is creating false hope for MT fans who aren't tracking things closely. ODU hired Wood Selig specifically because they wanted someone who has transition experience.

I suspect what has happened is that the CUSA expansion scenario played out like I was told it did. ODU wasn't in the serious hunt until the eastern bloc balked at UTSA and La.Tech. ODU didn't have a fully developed plan and didn't have approval to pursue FBS and now has to get something together to figure out the cost of the move, the differences in travel and the viability of future scheduling and a facilities plan.

CUSA I believe fully expects they can get the paperwork done and approved or else they would have moved on. Remember we are dealing with Virginia politics (VT wasn't supposed to be in the ACC) so it could fall apart, but I suspect that is unlikely.

From what I have been told they didn't even start having discussions with C-USA until 2 weeks ago, so they haven't been preparing for this nearly as long as the other schools, who I believe have known they were coming for quite a while now. There's still nearly a month to get the details worked out, and like you I fully believe we wouldn't be waiting if we didn't believe they could figure it out by then.
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(05-04-2012 03:38 PM)BE Tex Wrote:  
(05-04-2012 03:29 PM)TroyBoy67 Wrote:  Don't want to see MTSU go, if they went who would the Sun Belt replace them with?

I'd think you'd have to look at NMSU as much as you guys don't want to. At least they'll replace the basektball and FBS football and then can pull App st. and Ga So when they are ready. Denver may not leave as the WAC won't have any eligible teams to pull from in time to save it.

Exactly how does App State get any more ready?

Attendance 2nd highest in the Sun Belt, Facilities on par and better than some, $17.8 million ath. budget, with plan to go up $24 mill +,
10000+ stadium addition waiting for approval, havent had a losing season since 1993.

Just where are we supposed to improve? Cant go FBS without an invite.
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(05-04-2012 04:10 PM)Glassonion Wrote:  
(05-04-2012 03:38 PM)BE Tex Wrote:  
(05-04-2012 03:29 PM)TroyBoy67 Wrote:  Don't want to see MTSU go, if they went who would the Sun Belt replace them with?

I'd think you'd have to look at NMSU as much as you guys don't want to. At least they'll replace the basektball and FBS football and then can pull App st. and Ga So when they are ready. Denver may not leave as the WAC won't have any eligible teams to pull from in time to save it.

Exactly how does App State get any more ready?

Attendance 2nd highest in the Sun Belt, Facilities on par and better than some, $17.8 million ath. budget, with plan to go up $24 mill +,
10000+ stadium addition waiting for approval, havent had a losing season since 1993.

Just where are we supposed to improve? Cant go FBS without an invite.

Remember the additional 22(?) scholarships for football have to be matched with a like number of scholarships for women's sports.
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(05-04-2012 04:19 PM)MG61 Wrote:  
(05-04-2012 04:10 PM)Glassonion Wrote:  
(05-04-2012 03:38 PM)BE Tex Wrote:  
(05-04-2012 03:29 PM)TroyBoy67 Wrote:  Don't want to see MTSU go, if they went who would the Sun Belt replace them with?

I'd think you'd have to look at NMSU as much as you guys don't want to. At least they'll replace the basektball and FBS football and then can pull App st. and Ga So when they are ready. Denver may not leave as the WAC won't have any eligible teams to pull from in time to save it.

Exactly how does App State get any more ready?

Attendance 2nd highest in the Sun Belt, Facilities on par and better than some, $17.8 million ath. budget, with plan to go up $24 mill +,
10000+ stadium addition waiting for approval, havent had a losing season since 1993.

Just where are we supposed to improve? Cant go FBS without an invite.

Remember the additional 22(?) scholarships for football have to be matched with a like number of scholarships for women's sports.

Yeah, so App sponsors 19 or 20 varsity sports already, worst case scenario we cut a mens team. We're also not going to add the womens' scholarships before we have to, why fund 22 womens scholarships before we're even allowed to fund the mens'? Thats something that will be phased in at the same time, and has been covered Im sure in our 1 1/2 year long $1 million dollar FBS feasability study that built financial models and everything else we'd need to build an FBS program.
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(05-04-2012 04:02 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I really hate that article, I believe it is creating false hope for MT fans who aren't tracking things closely. ODU hired Wood Selig specifically because they wanted someone who has transition experience.

I suspect what has happened is that the CUSA expansion scenario played out like I was told it did. ODU wasn't in the serious hunt until the eastern bloc balked at UTSA and La.Tech. ODU didn't have a fully developed plan and didn't have approval to pursue FBS and now has to get something together to figure out the cost of the move, the differences in travel and the viability of future scheduling and a facilities plan.

CUSA I believe fully expects they can get the paperwork done and approved or else they would have moved on. Remember we are dealing with Virginia politics (VT wasn't supposed to be in the ACC) so it could fall apart, but I suspect that is unlikely.

Dont let Wood fool you. I'm sure he already has a rough draft drawn out. He just has to fill in the ODU numbers into his WKU plan. Wood plays the political game as if he is proceeding with caution, but is full steam ahead behind the scenes.

We all knew WKU had full intentions of going 1A in 2000 with plans for stadium renovation. His statements to the press though were that we were committed to 1aa to keep faculty and detractors happy.

Wood will get the vote and move forward with CUSA...
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It would be foolish for ODU not to accept this benefits them way more than it does Middle. Middle still has two rivals and every game in the east is in driving distance except FAU. ODU would sort of be like the Sun Belt version of ECU
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(05-04-2012 04:10 PM)Glassonion Wrote:  
(05-04-2012 03:38 PM)BE Tex Wrote:  
(05-04-2012 03:29 PM)TroyBoy67 Wrote:  Don't want to see MTSU go, if they went who would the Sun Belt replace them with?

I'd think you'd have to look at NMSU as much as you guys don't want to. At least they'll replace the basektball and FBS football and then can pull App st. and Ga So when they are ready. Denver may not leave as the WAC won't have any eligible teams to pull from in time to save it.

Exactly how does App State get any more ready?

Attendance 2nd highest in the Sun Belt, Facilities on par and better than some, $17.8 million ath. budget, with plan to go up $24 mill +,
10000+ stadium addition waiting for approval, havent had a losing season since 1993.

Just where are we supposed to improve? Cant go FBS without an invite.

FWIW - Your attendance isn't 2nd highest in the Sun Belt. You are not in the Sun Belt. If you had your brains beat in for a few years then your attendance might not be so high.

Not that your program and its support isn't impressive - it is - but this is not an apples to apples comparison. Most Sun Belt teams did well in 1AA before they moved up.
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(05-04-2012 03:32 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(05-04-2012 03:18 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(05-04-2012 03:08 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  We'll see. It could be that ODU is backing out or it could be that the MTSU administration is trying to show the faithful that they tried before the faithful have a riot.
SBC is a precarious stack of cards right now, thus the time-out by Benson, and could very well lose 1-2-3-4 more teams, counting the newbies ,this go-around.

Bension, who should be kept away from any place he can jump-off of and hurt himself, can’t go forward because he does not know who he has on board.

Precarious stack of cards? You do understand there is absolutely no chance that ASU, ULL, ULM, Troy, and USA go anywhere right? None of us offer anything to other conferences because market size is driving expansion.

We're in better shape then just about every other conference in football. We can expand easily within the footprint, and have several schools ready and willing to come.
I thought that might be the case but no, I really did not know for sure.

Just told that from 1-4 and it might have been 5 teams (this number included the newbie's), could potentially leave this go-around. I'm confident that the schools were in addition to FIU and UNT.

Obviously I would hope that this would not happen because of my relationship with ASU, but I realize there are several schools in the SBC that are doing a lot more than hoping, in their efforts to make it happen.
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(05-04-2012 08:25 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(05-04-2012 03:32 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(05-04-2012 03:18 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(05-04-2012 03:08 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  We'll see. It could be that ODU is backing out or it could be that the MTSU administration is trying to show the faithful that they tried before the faithful have a riot.
SBC is a precarious stack of cards right now, thus the time-out by Benson, and could very well lose 1-2-3-4 more teams, counting the newbies ,this go-around.

Bension, who should be kept away from any place he can jump-off of and hurt himself, can’t go forward because he does not know who he has on board.

Precarious stack of cards? You do understand there is absolutely no chance that ASU, ULL, ULM, Troy, and USA go anywhere right? None of us offer anything to other conferences because market size is driving expansion.

We're in better shape then just about every other conference in football. We can expand easily within the footprint, and have several schools ready and willing to come.
I thought that might be the case but no, I really did not know for sure.

Just told that from 1-4 and it might have been 5 teams (this number included the newbie's), could potentially leave this go-around. I'm confident that the schools were in addition to FIU and UNT.

Obviously I would hope that this would not happen because of my relationship with ASU, but I realize there are several schools in the SBC that are doing a lot more than hoping, in their efforts to make it happen.

Up to 5 teams in addition to the FIU and UNT? Seven programs leaving the Sun Belt this round? For where?
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(05-04-2012 03:38 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Just imagine if all the SBC Presidents had stuck together and said they were going nowhere. We would be picking over the carcass of CUSA now instead of the other way around.

Dumb.

It is dog-eat-dog out there in the world of college football expansion. The presidents are covering their arses by looking out for their alums, supporters, etc. The C-USA is looking out to cover their arses by selling their league while the presidentd are buying their goods. The Sun Belt will probably continue to woo FCS schools to franticly replacing the emply spots of the defecting schools are leaving. Let's call a spade a spade. It is what it is, dogs-eating-dogs.
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(05-04-2012 03:06 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(05-04-2012 02:52 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  http://www.dnj.com/article/20120504/BLUE...-CUSA-hunt

Thought the Blue Raiders might want to see this.

"MTSU athletic director Chris Massaro would not comment specifically about CUSA today, but he acknowledged that the university and athletic department administration have actively and aggressively pursued other conference affiliations."

Along with every other AD in the SBC, and still are, even the newbie's.

I seriously doubt our AD has actively and aggressively pursued another conference.
I think these situations put AD's in a tough situation. If you aggressively pursue it and get passed up, you give the impression your program is unappealing and that you are stuck in a conference that you don't want to be in. If you don't actively pursue it, you aren't doing your job and screwed your program from an opprtunity to move up.
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(05-04-2012 08:54 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  
(05-04-2012 03:38 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Just imagine if all the SBC Presidents had stuck together and said they were going nowhere. We would be picking over the carcass of CUSA now instead of the other way around.

Dumb.

It is dog-eat-dog out there in the world of college football expansion. The presidents are covering their arses by looking out for their alums, supporters, etc. The C-USA is looking out to cover their arses by selling their league while the presidentd are buying their goods. The Sun Belt will probably continue to woo FCS schools to franticly replacing the emply spots of the defecting schools are leaving. Let's call a spade a spade. It is what it is, dogs-eating-dogs.

Oh its all about greed, just like most everything else in the country. I figure there is going to be a reckoning for all that at some point.
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(05-04-2012 03:58 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  
(05-04-2012 03:49 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Either way I think you guys are going to be keeping MTSU. ODU is going to realize this is the best opportunity they will ever get to be FBS, and it gets them in a football league with us, which is a big deal for them.

I think so too. The road to FBS doesn't get much easier than it is right now.....they won't pass it up.

(05-04-2012 06:49 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  It would be foolish for ODU not to accept this benefits them way more than it does Middle. Middle still has two rivals and every game in the east is in driving distance except FAU. ODU would sort of be like the Sun Belt version of ECU

I can see why ODU might be hesitant to join C-USA. They will be trading a conference where they are one of five VA schools, for a conference with four TX states.

That being said, I agree with the general sentiment in this thread so far: ODU would be stupid to pass up this chance to move to FBS - this might be their best chance for a while.
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(05-04-2012 06:39 PM)CrushMI Wrote:  
(05-04-2012 04:02 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I really hate that article, I believe it is creating false hope for MT fans who aren't tracking things closely. ODU hired Wood Selig specifically because they wanted someone who has transition experience.

I suspect what has happened is that the CUSA expansion scenario played out like I was told it did. ODU wasn't in the serious hunt until the eastern bloc balked at UTSA and La.Tech. ODU didn't have a fully developed plan and didn't have approval to pursue FBS and now has to get something together to figure out the cost of the move, the differences in travel and the viability of future scheduling and a facilities plan.

CUSA I believe fully expects they can get the paperwork done and approved or else they would have moved on. Remember we are dealing with Virginia politics (VT wasn't supposed to be in the ACC) so it could fall apart, but I suspect that is unlikely.

Dont let Wood fool you. I'm sure he already has a rough draft drawn out. He just has to fill in the ODU numbers into his WKU plan. Wood plays the political game as if he is proceeding with caution, but is full steam ahead behind the scenes.

We all knew WKU had full intentions of going 1A in 2000 with plans for stadium renovation. His statements to the press though were that we were committed to 1aa to keep faculty and detractors happy.

Wood will get the vote and move forward with CUSA...

Back when NMSU, USU, and Idaho were leaving he wasn't ready. Really needed WKU then. Of course if WKU had been ready then, CUSA expansion might have turned out differently so I'm no longer complaining. :)
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(05-04-2012 06:39 PM)CrushMI Wrote:  
(05-04-2012 04:02 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I really hate that article, I believe it is creating false hope for MT fans who aren't tracking things closely. ODU hired Wood Selig specifically because they wanted someone who has transition experience.

I suspect what has happened is that the CUSA expansion scenario played out like I was told it did. ODU wasn't in the serious hunt until the eastern bloc balked at UTSA and La.Tech. ODU didn't have a fully developed plan and didn't have approval to pursue FBS and now has to get something together to figure out the cost of the move, the differences in travel and the viability of future scheduling and a facilities plan.

CUSA I believe fully expects they can get the paperwork done and approved or else they would have moved on. Remember we are dealing with Virginia politics (VT wasn't supposed to be in the ACC) so it could fall apart, but I suspect that is unlikely.

Dont let Wood fool you. I'm sure he already has a rough draft drawn out. He just has to fill in the ODU numbers into his WKU plan. Wood plays the political game as if he is proceeding with caution, but is full steam ahead behind the scenes.

We all knew WKU had full intentions of going 1A in 2000 with plans for stadium renovation. His statements to the press though were that we were committed to 1aa to keep faculty and detractors happy.

Wood will get the vote and move forward with CUSA...

Agree with everything said above.

The core challenge for ODU upgrading is to address that stadium. 20,000 seats and bursting at the seams they need a 10-20 million investment by 2015 to be prepared for CUSA.

For this reason and to let their snub of the Friday announcement blow over it may be a full month before they announce moving to CUSA.

In the Sun Belt's case, they had Georgia State accept in April and Texas State in May. This way it appears that the invites were granted separately but in reality were designed to be a package all along. Granted UTSA was desired to be part of the package and Texas State was a substitute but still.

Its sounds like we've got another month to go before all of the FBS musical chairs stop moving and then another month of FCS schools switching around before July 1st.
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GS recently built a new golf facility with both men's and women's lockerrooms, so if need be we can easily add a women's golf team. In addition, our University is building a 24,000 sq. ft shooting range on campus with the intent of adding a women's rifle team. Coincidentally, it's set to be finished by 2013. 03-wink
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