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Should be getting a third bowl tie in. We're not going to move forward as a conference until this is done. We've averaged the number of bowl eligible teams necessary to make this happen. We may think we're a better conference than the MAC (3 auto tie ins), or on par with CUSA (5 auto tie ins) now that they've been gutted, but we need to make that show up in the places where it counts, bowl games being a big part of that.

Bowl games drive excitement which drives ticket sales and helps build programs. We can add X number of teams but we're just spinning our wheels backfilling the defectors unless we can get things changed on the bowl front.

I know it's not as easy as "we want another bowl tie in," but I hope our conference office is working as hard to make this happen as they are to add FCS schools.
05-03-2012 11:10 AM
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Is this a "chicken-and-egg" situation with getting a CCG? Which do you think comes first?
05-03-2012 11:15 AM
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(05-03-2012 11:15 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  Is this a "chicken-and-egg" situation with getting a CCG? Which do you think comes first?

A third bowl tie in doesn't have anything to do with a CCG.
05-03-2012 11:17 AM
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I agree. We don't need another TROY 2007 disappointment. I'll explain for those who don't know. TROY finished 8-4 with a win over Oklahoma State on national tv at home, but lost the "championship game" to FAU. At the time the SBC only had one bowl, New Orleans. So FAU got the bid to the New Orleans Bowl and TROY sat hat home while Alabama at 7-6 went to a bowl game.

Having more teams vying for 2 guaranteed bowl games along with the recent success of WKU, stAte, and UL we need more bowl games or teams will be left out.
05-03-2012 11:24 AM
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(05-03-2012 11:17 AM)MTowho Wrote:  
(05-03-2012 11:15 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  Is this a "chicken-and-egg" situation with getting a CCG? Which do you think comes first?

A third bowl tie in doesn't have anything to do with a CCG.

Yet, both conferences you mentioned have a CCG. I know they are not directly related, but to merit a third bowl tie-in, we may need to get to the point where we have a CCG.
05-03-2012 11:27 AM
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(05-03-2012 11:24 AM)troy4ever21 Wrote:  I agree. We don't need another TROY 2007 disappointment. I'll explain for those who don't know. TROY finished 8-4 with a win over Oklahoma State on national tv at home, but lost the "championship game" to FAU. At the time the SBC only had one bowl, New Orleans. So FAU got the bid to the New Orleans Bowl and TROY sat hat home while Alabama at 7-6 went to a bowl game.

Having more teams vying for 2 guaranteed bowl games along with the recent success of WKU, stAte, and UL we need more bowl games or teams will be left out.

How about WKU last season?
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(05-03-2012 11:27 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  
(05-03-2012 11:24 AM)troy4ever21 Wrote:  I agree. We don't need another TROY 2007 disappointment. I'll explain for those who don't know. TROY finished 8-4 with a win over Oklahoma State on national tv at home, but lost the "championship game" to FAU. At the time the SBC only had one bowl, New Orleans. So FAU got the bid to the New Orleans Bowl and TROY sat hat home while Alabama at 7-6 went to a bowl game.

Having more teams vying for 2 guaranteed bowl games along with the recent success of WKU, stAte, and UL we need more bowl games or teams will be left out.

How about WKU last season?

WKU also lost to Indiana State by 30 points last year, and struggled with attendance. They were also a 2nd team beyond our 2 tie ins that needed a game. Troy literally beat a top 25 program in their year and got left out because of our lack of a 2nd bowl tie in.
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(05-03-2012 11:27 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  
(05-03-2012 11:17 AM)MTowho Wrote:  
(05-03-2012 11:15 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  Is this a "chicken-and-egg" situation with getting a CCG? Which do you think comes first?

A third bowl tie in doesn't have anything to do with a CCG.

Yet, both conferences you mentioned have a CCG. I know they are not directly related, but to merit a third bowl tie-in, we may need to get to the point where we have a CCG.

Did a CCG matter to the Pac 10 before they became the Pac 12, or does it to the MWC, or the Big East, or theWAC? Not buying it. An extra game to give a potentially 6-6 team a 7th loss isn't a priority. Think about it - there will be a real possibility of having a 6-6 division winner each year.
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(05-03-2012 11:30 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  WKU also lost to Indiana State by 30 points last year, and struggled with attendance. They were also a 2nd team beyond our 2 tie ins that needed a game. Troy literally beat a top 25 program in their year and got left out because of our lack of a 2nd bowl tie in.

That.
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Agreed, getting a solid #3 (and soon enough #4) tie in is of paramount importance.

All of us are struggling to build a solid fan base, and we're always trying to land that elusive "casual" fan. Nothing would make those folks want to throw up thier hands and say "what's the point" faster than when one of our teams has a good season, ends up with 8-9 wins and we end up sitting at home, watching a 6-6 team from the Big 12 or Pac 12 go bowling.

I don't know how exactly Benson is going to do this - we're going to have to convince some bowl to drop a chance at an AQ school and take a shot at a conference not known for it's traveling fan bases.
05-03-2012 11:39 AM
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(05-03-2012 11:38 AM)troy4ever21 Wrote:  
(05-03-2012 11:30 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  WKU also lost to Indiana State by 30 points last year, and struggled with attendance. They were also a 2nd team beyond our 2 tie ins that needed a game. Troy literally beat a top 25 program in their year and got left out because of our lack of a 2nd bowl tie in.

That.

(05-03-2012 11:39 AM)RaiderDoug Wrote:  Agreed, getting a solid #3 (and soon enough #4) tie in is of paramount importance.

All of us are struggling to build a solid fan base, and we're always trying to land that elusive "casual" fan. Nothing would make those folks want to throw up thier hands and say "what's the point" faster than when one of our teams has a good season, ends up with 8-9 wins and we end up sitting at home, watching a 6-6 team from the Big 12 or Pac 12 go bowling.

I don't know how exactly Benson is going to do this - we're going to have to convince some bowl to drop a chance at an AQ school and take a shot at a conference not known for it's traveling fan bases.

The past two season have been banner years for the Sun Belt as far as selling bowl tickets are concerned. You have Louisiana who blew it out of the water last year. stAte, MT, and Troy all sold a solid number of tickets in their respective games in 2010/2011.

But, finding that game is indeed the problem. Steal one from CUSA with realignment perhaps?
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(05-03-2012 11:27 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  
(05-03-2012 11:17 AM)MTowho Wrote:  
(05-03-2012 11:15 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  Is this a "chicken-and-egg" situation with getting a CCG? Which do you think comes first?

A third bowl tie in doesn't have anything to do with a CCG.

Yet, both conferences you mentioned have a CCG. I know they are not directly related, but to merit a third bowl tie-in, we may need to get to the point where we have a CCG.

It has zero to do with a CCG, it has only to do with having more teams.
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Isn't there a plan to require 7 wins for bowl eligibility?
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(05-03-2012 11:48 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(05-03-2012 11:27 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  
(05-03-2012 11:17 AM)MTowho Wrote:  
(05-03-2012 11:15 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  Is this a "chicken-and-egg" situation with getting a CCG? Which do you think comes first?

A third bowl tie in doesn't have anything to do with a CCG.

Yet, both conferences you mentioned have a CCG. I know they are not directly related, but to merit a third bowl tie-in, we may need to get to the point where we have a CCG.

It has zero to do with a CCG, it has only to do with having more teams.

This is somewhat contradictory
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RE: Number One Priority
(05-03-2012 12:54 PM)G-STATE-55 Wrote:  
(05-03-2012 11:48 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(05-03-2012 11:27 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  
(05-03-2012 11:17 AM)MTowho Wrote:  
(05-03-2012 11:15 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  Is this a "chicken-and-egg" situation with getting a CCG? Which do you think comes first?

A third bowl tie in doesn't have anything to do with a CCG.

Yet, both conferences you mentioned have a CCG. I know they are not directly related, but to merit a third bowl tie-in, we may need to get to the point where we have a CCG.

It has zero to do with a CCG, it has only to do with having more teams.

This is somewhat contradictory

It is not contradictory.

A conference cannot have more bowls than their average number of bowl eligible team per season. A conference can increase that average by having more teams (more conference games) or by winning more OOC games.

FIU won 3 of 4 OOC games and 5 conference games while WKU won 0 OOC games but 7 conference games etc. Both were bowl eligible, and along with stAte and the cajuns, gave the 'belt 4 bowl eligible teams.

After the previous couple of seasons, the 'belt can now say we can consistently produce enough .500 teams to ink another bowl agreement.
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(05-03-2012 01:31 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  
(05-03-2012 12:54 PM)G-STATE-55 Wrote:  
(05-03-2012 11:48 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(05-03-2012 11:27 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  
(05-03-2012 11:17 AM)MTowho Wrote:  A third bowl tie in doesn't have anything to do with a CCG.

Yet, both conferences you mentioned have a CCG. I know they are not directly related, but to merit a third bowl tie-in, we may need to get to the point where we have a CCG.

It has zero to do with a CCG, it has only to do with having more teams.

This is somewhat contradictory

It is not contradictory.

A conference cannot have more bowls than their average number of bowl eligible team per season. A conference can increase that average by having more teams (more conference games) or by winning more OOC games.

FIU won 3 of 4 OOC games and 5 conference games while WKU won 0 OOC games but 7 conference games etc. Both were bowl eligible, and along with stAte and the cajuns, gave the 'belt 4 bowl eligible teams.

After the previous couple of seasons, the 'belt can now say we can consistently produce enough .500 teams to ink another bowl agreement.

Lemme ask....are you more likely to have more bowl eligible teams in your conference with 12 teams, or with 10 teams? Likewise, in the SBC, specifically, more likely to be attractive to bowl organizers with 12 teams, or with 10 teams?

Having enough teams to have a CCG makes the SBC more likely to get bowl tie-ins. I don't know why such a statement garners such disdain, but so be it.
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(05-03-2012 01:46 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  Having enough teams to have a CCG makes the SBC more likely to get bowl tie-ins. I don't know why such a statement garners such disdain, but so be it.

It does increase the probability of having more bowl eligible teams. An 8 game conference schedule hands out the same amount of wins and losses in total regardless of how many teams are in the conference - meaning the more teams you have the more chances you have to win OOC games. Parity plays a part - which up until last season has been to the detriment of the conference. Some parity is eliminated by separating teams into two divisions, because not everyone will play everyone else. Not earth shattering. I definitely understand where you are coming from.

But, I think the point is that we don't have to have 12 to get a third bowl tie. We have met the requirements for eligibility already, but yes, more teams will equal more bowl eligible teams in the long run.
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(05-03-2012 12:54 PM)G-STATE-55 Wrote:  
(05-03-2012 11:48 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(05-03-2012 11:27 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  
(05-03-2012 11:17 AM)MTowho Wrote:  
(05-03-2012 11:15 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  Is this a "chicken-and-egg" situation with getting a CCG? Which do you think comes first?

A third bowl tie in doesn't have anything to do with a CCG.

Yet, both conferences you mentioned have a CCG. I know they are not directly related, but to merit a third bowl tie-in, we may need to get to the point where we have a CCG.

It has zero to do with a CCG, it has only to do with having more teams.

This is somewhat contradictory

It's not contradictory because you don't have to have a CCG even if you have 12 members, 14 or 16. You are eligible to have a CCG at 12 members, but you do not have to have one.

Therefor having 12 members both increases the likelihood of additional bowl ties and makes it possible to host a CCG, but hosting a CCG and garnering extra bowl ties have nothing to do with one another.
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