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It seems to me that we would have heard something from some media source if the ECU to the BE rumors where true...if we haven't heard anything by the end of the week I'll be positive...If the story were true you would think that some kind of blurb would be appearing out of NC, the BE officice or even the A10 office....silence is not a good thing for Pirate fans wanting in the BE



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11-21-2004 09:41 PM
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Yes, I'm convinced they are false, which is why I haven't bothered to respond in the other thread.

First, I don't know if it would be allowed anymore. As per the NCAA own by-laws, effective next August:

"20.02.6 Division I-A Conference Effective Date: Aug 01, 2005

A conference classified as a Division I-A conference shall be comprised of at least eight full Division I-A members that satisfy all Division I-A requirements. An institution shall be included as one of the eight Division I-A full members only if the institution participates in the conference schedule in at least six men's and eight women's conference-sponsored sports, including men's basketball and football and three women's team sports including women's basketball. A conference-sponsored sport shall be a sport in which regular season and/or championship opportunities are provided, consistent with the minimum standards identified by the applicable NCAA sport committee for automatic qualification. (Adopted: 10/31/02 effective 8/1/05)"

Now, I suppose, it's possible that the above criteria only means that a minimum of 8 out of 'x' number of members must meet this criteria, but it does seem to me that 'football only' members defies the stated rationale for this by-law being implemented:

"Rationale: The Division I-A conference classification shall be established to identify those conferences that demonstrate integration of athletics programs in a broad cross section of sports. It is anticipated that the establishment of such standards will have a direct impact on the conference's position and privileges within the Division I governance structure."

If however, it does only mean a minimum of 8 and the BE were to go for a football-only member, Navy and Army would be the natural ones to ask first. Yet Navy seems very happy being an indy and Army wants to go the Navy route having not had any success in C-USA.

And yet, supposedly, ND has softened its position on scheduling BE teams in the near future. It's hard to imagine this being the case unless the BE were about to announce something in terms of Navy at least. Perhaps Navy doesn't want to lose its AD and HC and are fearful of SU possibly 'stealing' them? If they want to keep both, they may capitulate and decide being in the BE would be in their best interests overall if it allows them to keep both their AD and HC for a while longer. If Navy does join under these circumstances, I suspect Army would as well. Army's recent long-term deal with BC would mean continued exposure for the BE in the Boston market. Navy gives the Big East a foothold in the Baltimore and Washington, D.C. markets.

ND already plays Navy and has a long term deal now with Pitt. So it then doesn't become too much of a strain in a 12-game season to add two or three more BE teams to their schedule (although having BC still would make this even more attractive).

ND is into playing in particular arenas and areas. Cincinnati's large Catholic population and Paul Brown stadium might appeal to them. Playing Army in Giants Stadium might as well. Not sure about the Tampa area in terms of Catholic population, but who wouldn't love playing in that stadium?

Now, looking at all of this, what does ECU provide? A slightly better program than Army, but not as good as Navy. There simply are no major markets in their vicinity. If this were the mid-90s to 2000 they would be considered a program on the rise, but they aren't now.

Tranghese said that no other members would be added unless they offered something to the BE. And I simply don't see ECU, at the present moment, making the grade. Not to say that they can't turn it around in both fb (perhaps getting Zook) and bb (Charlotte has a great team, they may want to consider stealing Bobby Lutz), but until they do turn it around, I'd say they are off the table.

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I hoped it was false and most likely it is.
11-21-2004 11:17 PM
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Memphis to the BE as a football only on the other hand... haha just kidding.
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Quote:And yet, supposedly, ND has softened its position on scheduling BE teams in the near future. It's hard to imagine this being the case unless the BE were about to announce something in terms of Navy at least. Perhaps Navy doesn't want to lose its AD and HC and are fearful of SU possibly 'stealing' them? If they want to keep both, they may capitulate and decide being in the BE would be in their best interests overall if it allows them to keep both their AD and HC for a while longer. If Navy does join under these circumstances, I suspect Army would as well. Army's recent long-term deal with BC would mean continued exposure for the BE in the Boston market. Navy gives the Big East a foothold in the Baltimore and Washington, D.C. markets

-- Interesting....so when do you think the Army and Navy will announce joining the BE?? This spring perhaps?? It seems to me that the BE football league has to add at least one team because of the 12 game schedule...or as the PPG said last week...we are going to be playing 1AA teams

-- I hadn't heard about the Army/BC deal....I come kind of disappointed in Army that the would do that...I was hoping none of the old eastern indys would play BC after what happened


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I'm not sure I follow why setting up a 12 game schedule is any harder than setting up an 11 game schedule. Since every team in all of the conferences will get an additional game then they should all have the same job of adding a single game.

I'll grant you that the Big East has always had a bit of scheduling issues because of the 7 game season, but I don't think it gets any harder by going from 11 to 12 games.
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Quote:I'm not sure I follow why setting up a 12 game schedule is any harder than setting up an 11 game schedule. Since every team in all of the conferences will get an additional game then they should all have the same job of adding a single game.

-- True...but not all conferences are going to have extra non conference games....according to published reports the Big 10 and Pac 10 seem to be heavy leaning towards just adding another conference game....if other BCS conferences were to follow suit...we could be in some trouble


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Jackson1011 Wrote:-- True...but not all conferences are going to have extra non conference games....according to published reports the Big 10 and Pac 10 seem to be heavy leaning towards just adding another conference game....if other BCS conferences were to follow suit...we could be in some trouble
Really makes a lot of sense for the Pac-10, since a 9-game conference slate would completely solve the problem of some rivalry games (like Oregon-Washington) being skipped occasionally.

As for the BE and an 8-team, 7-game format, I can see how scheduling five non-con games each year would be pretty tough. Sure, you can fill two -- or even three -- slots with "buy" games, but it's a lot of year-to-year wrangling.
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the 12 game season will force the BE to add teams, no way around that. also large schools like WVU will see the other large conferences SEC,ACC top football schools go to a 8 home game model. look for the BE to add ECU,Memphis + 2 schools, to 12 and have a champ game in NYC, by 2010 04-cheers
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Check out this link and read what OTM posted. Note the Holland quote!

[QUOTE]When we joined the league, it had different players.
Banowsky has effectively devalued this conference. ECU AD Holland.
[QUOTE]

<a href='http://www.killerfrogs.com/cusa/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=13990' target='_blank'>Link about ECU Press Conference</a>
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Wilkie01 Wrote:Check out this link and read what OTM posted. Note the Holland quote!

<a href='http://www.killerfrogs.com/cusa/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=13990' target='_blank'>Link about ECU Press Conference</a>
I read that earlier. I find it hard to imagine that the ECU AD would (for all intents and purposes) burn a C-USA bridge like that unless he knew his school's entrance into the Big East was assured.
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That is what I thought as well. I wonder if Memphis, PSU and Notre Dame might be in our near future?
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Murph1 Wrote:
Wilkie01 Wrote:Check out this link and read what OTM posted. Note the Holland quote!

<a href='http://www.killerfrogs.com/cusa/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=13990' target='_blank'>Link about ECU Press Conference</a>
I read that earlier. I find it hard to imagine that the ECU AD would (for all intents and purposes) burn a C-USA bridge like that unless he knew his school's entrance into the Big East was assured.
""I find it hard to imagine that the ECU AD would (for all intents and purposes) burn a C-USA bridge like that unless he knew his school's entrance into the Big East was assured.""

It's hard to believe because there is no evidence that he actually made those remarks......at least not in the transcript of the press conference. He MAY have made those comments somewhere, sometime; but it's not part of the press release for that press conference.

edit: For the record, I'm no Banowsky fan, I'm just trying to keep this on a factual/fair level.
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whether something is true or not has never been a problem on this board.
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Shutup TopCoog. If you don't like this board then leave.
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