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Do we know who will replace Waters? Is there an official search underway?
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(12-15-2011 02:36 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  http://www.dnj.com/article/20111215/BLUE...good-hands

Well, I have to say that the last day that that POS is the commissioner will be a great day for the Sunbelt.04-cheers
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(12-16-2011 09:50 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  
(12-15-2011 02:36 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  http://www.dnj.com/article/20111215/BLUE...good-hands

Well, I have to say that the last day that that POS is the commissioner will be a great day for the Sunbelt.04-cheers

No offense, but I have to call BS on this.

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(12-16-2011 09:55 AM)zeebart21 Wrote:  
(12-16-2011 09:50 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  
(12-15-2011 02:36 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  http://www.dnj.com/article/20111215/BLUE...good-hands

Well, I have to say that the last day that that POS is the commissioner will be a great day for the Sunbelt.04-cheers

No offense, but I have to call BS on this.

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Really, Z? I didn't know you were a WW fan. Some good things happened on his watch; but mostly by accident. Or were you calling BS on the original article?
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RE: DNJ: Waters Leaves SBC in Good Hands
(12-16-2011 09:57 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  
(12-16-2011 09:55 AM)zeebart21 Wrote:  
(12-16-2011 09:50 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  
(12-15-2011 02:36 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  http://www.dnj.com/article/20111215/BLUE...good-hands

Well, I have to say that the last day that that POS is the commissioner will be a great day for the Sunbelt.04-cheers

No offense, but I have to call BS on this.

Z

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Really, Z? I didn't know you were a WW fan. Some good things happened on his watch; but mostly by accident. Or were you calling BS on the original article?

BS on the original article...Dude is a little useless tub o goo.. His worst nightmare came true.. Louisiana is in the NO Bowl.

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(12-16-2011 10:08 AM)zeebart21 Wrote:  
(12-16-2011 09:57 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  
(12-16-2011 09:55 AM)zeebart21 Wrote:  
(12-16-2011 09:50 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  
(12-15-2011 02:36 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  http://www.dnj.com/article/20111215/BLUE...good-hands

Well, I have to say that the last day that that POS is the commissioner will be a great day for the Sunbelt.04-cheers

No offense, but I have to call BS on this.

Z

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Really, Z? I didn't know you were a WW fan. Some good things happened on his watch; but mostly by accident. Or were you calling BS on the original article?

BS on the original article...Dude is a little useless tub o goo.. His worst nightmare came true.. Louisiana is in the NO Bowl.

Z

I was starting to worry about you. lol

Farewell, Mr. Waters. I have a MOU that the rest of your life will be SO much more significant and productive than the years you spent f'ing up our Conference and most of its member Universities.
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Waters did a pretty good job considering what he had to work with.

I think a lot of angry Cajun fans who believe Waters is holding a grudge are going to be in for a shock when the new guy doesn't do any better.

FWIW-I'm not saying Waters is or isn't holding a grudge against the Cajuns, he very well may be, but this conference has grown especially in football in the last 3-5 years.

Being the commissioner of a conference is a lot like being the POTUS in that you usually get too much blame when things are going poorly and rarely get enough credit when things are going well.
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(12-16-2011 12:55 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Waters did a pretty good job considering what he had to work with.

I think a lot of angry Cajun fans who believe Waters is holding a grudge are going to be in for a shock when the new guy doesn't do any better.

FWIW-I'm not saying Waters is or isn't holding a grudge against the Cajuns, he very well may be, but this conference has grown especially in football in the last 3-5 years.

Being the commissioner of a conference is a lot like being the POTUS in that you usually get too much blame when things are going poorly and rarely get enough credit when things are going well.

That is an issue for me, but not THE issue.. THE issue is that Middle stayed home at 8-3 one year.... ASU or UL SHOULD have been in the Indy Bowl in 2008 .... and then there is the MOU screw up... where at least two SBC teams stayed home because he was too f'ing lazy or stupid to know what those MOUs actually said and correct it.
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Man, don't yall remember when Wrong Waters

Signed all those legitimate backup bowl contracts in 2008...

Enforced scheduling requirements for basketball...

Didn't play favorites...

Hired competent officials and held them accountable in any sport...

Yea...me either. I will continue to say goodbye to that fat slob.
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I think the MOU was the biggest fiassco. I wasnt here for the early days, but we ALL thought we had something different then what we had. That is squarely on him.

We can only hope the new person takes advantage of what is shaping up to be our best year ever in Football and parlay it into a better TV contract and exposure.
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(12-16-2011 01:11 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  I think the MOU was the biggest fiassco. I wasnt here for the early days, but we ALL thought we had something different then what we had. That is squarely on him.

We can only hope the new person takes advantage of what is shaping up to be our best year ever in Football and parlay it into a better TV contract and exposure.

Well, I hope the new one does that as well; but I do think that some folks will be surprised when he also stands firm on honoring EVERY school's branding requests for itself.
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Waters ass was chapped when he was passed over for AD years back. Certain schools hopefully wont be coddled by the new Dude.

All the best to everyone...and I mean that.

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(12-16-2011 01:08 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  That is an issue for me, but not THE issue.. THE issue is that Middle stayed home at 8-3 one year.... ASU or UL SHOULD have been in the Indy Bowl in 2008 .... and then there is the MOU screw up... where at least two SBC teams stayed home because he was too f'ing lazy or stupid to know what those MOUs actually said and correct it.

I didn't say the grudge was THE issue, but I do think the grudge has tainted the view of most Cajuns fans and they unfairly evaluate the job Waters has done.

Let me first address Middle staying at home at 8-3 in 2001. I really don't see how this is Waters fault. It was the first season of Sun Belt football, we were in just our third season of playing FBS football, we had only one bowl tie as a conference and that was the brand new New Orleans Bowl, there weren't as many bowls in general, there was no rule disallowing schools with losing records going bowling, and we didn't have our top notch athletic director at the time.

The biggest keys to that was us not having an aggressive an active AD in place, the newness of both the conference as well as our FBS affiliation and lastly the lack of a rule banning losing record teams from bowling. Had that rule already been in place, we would have gone to NOLA at 8-3, UNT would have sat at home at 5-6 and there would be no controversy.

As far as the MOU goes, the ball was dropped, but calling him lazy or stupid because it fell through I think is a bit much. If you think his eyes were the only ones on that contract, you're crazy. The conference must have some form of legal counsel that reviews all the contracts we sign with anyone regarding membership, television, bowls etc. and a minor detail slipped through the cracks that allowed these bowls to not take us. I think what is commonly overlooked in the MOU debate, is that those bowls clearly didn't want us in the first place, or they would have taken us regardless of the loophole that got them out. For all the blame many people want to place on Waters, they're unwilling to look in the mirror and realize that he's out there trying to sell a product that not a whole lot of people are interested in buying. Not many out of our own fanbases want to watch us on television, when is the last time you saw a opposing fanbase, especially going into a bowl game, getting pumped up to take on one of the top Sun Belt teams? Our actual product has improved under Waters watch and our perception is improving as well, though at a more gradual rate, but our product definitely exceeds our perception. It's not Waters fault that CUSA has more people who want to watch and more bowls that want to be associated with them. That's like Hyundai putting a dealership next to a Honda dealership and then getting mad at the guy running the dealership that more people want to drive Hondas. Yeah, there are certainly things he can do to improve things on a small level as far as directly competing with the Honda dealership next door, but if Hyundai wants him to sell more cars, they need to make better cars to make the job of selling them that much easier. If we want to get better guaranteed bowls and better television contracts, we need to put a better product on the field. Not to pat myself on the back, but I think the analogy is pretty apropo as in the last few years Hyundai has actually started making better cars like the Genesis and the Equus, and we as a conference have started putting better teams on the field. If Hyundai put a new guy in a dealership right as those new cars were launching, are the sales going up because the new guy, or because the product has improved? I think it's probably both, the new guy is excited about the new job, but he also has a better product to work with. I think we'll see the same thing with our new commissioner, he'll be walking into a much better situation than the one Waters walked into. Hopefully our next conference commissioner will be a guy who can pick up where Waters left off, learn from some of his shortcomings and take advantage of the better product he has at his disposal than the one his predecessor had.
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(12-16-2011 01:37 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(12-16-2011 01:08 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  That is an issue for me, but not THE issue.. THE issue is that Middle stayed home at 8-3 one year.... ASU or UL SHOULD have been in the Indy Bowl in 2008 .... and then there is the MOU screw up... where at least two SBC teams stayed home because he was too f'ing lazy or stupid to know what those MOUs actually said and correct it.

I didn't say the grudge was THE issue, but I do think the grudge has tainted the view of most Cajuns fans and they unfairly evaluate the job Waters has done.

Let me first address Middle staying at home at 8-3 in 2001. I really don't see how this is Waters fault. It was the first season of Sun Belt football, we were in just our third season of playing FBS football, we had only one bowl tie as a conference and that was the brand new New Orleans Bowl, there weren't as many bowls in general, there was no rule disallowing schools with losing records going bowling, and we didn't have our top notch athletic director at the time.

The biggest keys to that was us not having an aggressive an active AD in place, the newness of both the conference as well as our FBS affiliation and lastly the lack of a rule banning losing record teams from bowling. Had that rule already been in place, we would have gone to NOLA at 8-3, UNT would have sat at home at 5-6 and there would be no controversy.

As far as the MOU goes, the ball was dropped, but calling him lazy or stupid because it fell through I think is a bit much. If you think his eyes were the only ones on that contract, you're crazy. The conference must have some form of legal counsel that reviews all the contracts we sign with anyone regarding membership, television, bowls etc. and a minor detail slipped through the cracks that allowed these bowls to not take us. I think what is commonly overlooked in the MOU debate, is that those bowls clearly didn't want us in the first place, or they would have taken us regardless of the loophole that got them out. For all the blame many people want to place on Waters, they're unwilling to look in the mirror and realize that he's out there trying to sell a product that not a whole lot of people are interested in buying. Not many out of our own fanbases want to watch us on television, when is the last time you saw a opposing fanbase, especially going into a bowl game, getting pumped up to take on one of the top Sun Belt teams? Our actual product has improved under Waters watch and our perception is improving as well, though at a more gradual rate, but our product definitely exceeds our perception. It's not Waters fault that CUSA has more people who want to watch and more bowls that want to be associated with them. That's like Hyundai putting a dealership next to a Honda dealership and then getting mad at the guy running the dealership that more people want to drive Hondas. Yeah, there are certainly things he can do to improve things on a small level as far as directly competing with the Honda dealership next door, but if Hyundai wants him to sell more cars, they need to make better cars to make the job of selling them that much easier. If we want to get better guaranteed bowls and better television contracts, we need to put a better product on the field. Not to pat myself on the back, but I think the analogy is pretty apropo as in the last few years Hyundai has actually started making better cars like the Genesis and the Equus, and we as a conference have started putting better teams on the field. If Hyundai put a new guy in a dealership right as those new cars were launching, are the sales going up because the new guy, or because the product has improved? I think it's probably both, the new guy is excited about the new job, but he also has a better product to work with. I think we'll see the same thing with our new commissioner, he'll be walking into a much better situation than the one Waters walked into. Hopefully our next conference commissioner will be a guy who can pick up where Waters left off, learn from some of his shortcomings and take advantage of the better product he has at his disposal than the one his predecessor had.

The MOUs were never passed on to legal counsel for review; and the Indy bowl fiasco could have been easily avoided by playing a little LA politics. You know the drill... The SBC is headquartered in LA, the State of LA subsidizes the Indy Bowl... The SBC has TWO bowl eligible schools within driving distance of the Indy Bowl, either of which will bring 10,000+ fans to Shreveport... Mr. Governor, twist that arm..
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(12-16-2011 01:41 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  The MOUs were never passed on to legal counsel for review.

Well I guess that settles that, I forgot you were there when they were signed...

And you completely disregard the meat of the argument.
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(12-16-2011 01:42 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(12-16-2011 01:41 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  The MOUs were never passed on to legal counsel for review.

Well I guess that settles that, I forgot you were there when they were signed...

And you completely disregard the meat of the argument.

You mean the part about car sales? Anytime I want to talk to a car salesman, I have to drink a lot first.

The Indy bowl fiasco was unforgivable, simply because if the fat dude would have spent 5 minutes making the right phone calls to the right LA politicians, an SBC school would have been in Shreveport. Maybe you are not aware that the State of LA subsidized the Indy Bowl THAT YEAR to the tune of $300K+, AND that the bowl LOST money?
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(12-16-2011 01:53 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  
(12-16-2011 01:42 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(12-16-2011 01:41 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  The MOUs were never passed on to legal counsel for review.

Well I guess that settles that, I forgot you were there when they were signed...

And you completely disregard the meat of the argument.

You mean the part about car sales? Anytime I want to talk to a car salesman, I have to drink a lot first.

The Indy bowl fiasco was unforgivable, simply because if the fat dude would have spent 5 minutes making the right phone calls to the right LA politicians, an SBC school would have been in Shreveport. Maybe you are not aware that the State of LA subsidized the Indy Bowl THAT YEAR to the tune of $300K+, AND that the bowl LOST money?

You then dismiss the argument by cracking a joke about car salesman.

Facts:

The product that Waters has to sell isn't exactly top notch

Things have improved over the past few years

The new commissioner will be in a better position with a better product to sell than Waters ever has been.


Again, you focus to much on blaming Waters for things without any consideration for the difficulty of selling the Sun Belt. If things were really that easy and he were really doing that crappy of a job, he would have been replaced years ago.
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(12-16-2011 01:37 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(12-16-2011 01:08 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  That is an issue for me, but not THE issue.. THE issue is that Middle stayed home at 8-3 one year.... ASU or UL SHOULD have been in the Indy Bowl in 2008 .... and then there is the MOU screw up... where at least two SBC teams stayed home because he was too f'ing lazy or stupid to know what those MOUs actually said and correct it.

I didn't say the grudge was THE issue, but I do think the grudge has tainted the view of most Cajuns fans and they unfairly evaluate the job Waters has done.

Let me first address Middle staying at home at 8-3 in 2001. I really don't see how this is Waters fault. It was the first season of Sun Belt football, we were in just our third season of playing FBS football, we had only one bowl tie as a conference and that was the brand new New Orleans Bowl, there weren't as many bowls in general, there was no rule disallowing schools with losing records going bowling, and we didn't have our top notch athletic director at the time.

The biggest keys to that was us not having an aggressive an active AD in place, the newness of both the conference as well as our FBS affiliation and lastly the lack of a rule banning losing record teams from bowling. Had that rule already been in place, we would have gone to NOLA at 8-3, UNT would have sat at home at 5-6 and there would be no controversy.

As far as the MOU goes, the ball was dropped, but calling him lazy or stupid because it fell through I think is a bit much. If you think his eyes were the only ones on that contract, you're crazy. The conference must have some form of legal counsel that reviews all the contracts we sign with anyone regarding membership, television, bowls etc. and a minor detail slipped through the cracks that allowed these bowls to not take us. I think what is commonly overlooked in the MOU debate, is that those bowls clearly didn't want us in the first place, or they would have taken us regardless of the loophole that got them out. For all the blame many people want to place on Waters, they're unwilling to look in the mirror and realize that he's out there trying to sell a product that not a whole lot of people are interested in buying. Not many out of our own fanbases want to watch us on television, when is the last time you saw a opposing fanbase, especially going into a bowl game, getting pumped up to take on one of the top Sun Belt teams? Our actual product has improved under Waters watch and our perception is improving as well, though at a more gradual rate, but our product definitely exceeds our perception. It's not Waters fault that CUSA has more people who want to watch and more bowls that want to be associated with them. That's like Hyundai putting a dealership next to a Honda dealership and then getting mad at the guy running the dealership that more people want to drive Hondas. Yeah, there are certainly things he can do to improve things on a small level as far as directly competing with the Honda dealership next door, but if Hyundai wants him to sell more cars, they need to make better cars to make the job of selling them that much easier. If we want to get better guaranteed bowls and better television contracts, we need to put a better product on the field. Not to pat myself on the back, but I think the analogy is pretty apropo as in the last few years Hyundai has actually started making better cars like the Genesis and the Equus, and we as a conference have started putting better teams on the field. If Hyundai put a new guy in a dealership right as those new cars were launching, are the sales going up because the new guy, or because the product has improved? I think it's probably both, the new guy is excited about the new job, but he also has a better product to work with. I think we'll see the same thing with our new commissioner, he'll be walking into a much better situation than the one Waters walked into. Hopefully our next conference commissioner will be a guy who can pick up where Waters left off, learn from some of his shortcomings and take advantage of the better product he has at his disposal than the one his predecessor had.

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(12-16-2011 01:08 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  That is an issue for me, but not THE issue.. THE issue is that Middle stayed home at 8-3 one year.... ASU or UL SHOULD have been in the Indy Bowl in 2008 .... and then there is the MOU screw up... where at least two SBC teams stayed home because he was too f'ing lazy or stupid to know what those MOUs actually said and correct it.

I didn't say the grudge was THE issue, but I do think the grudge has tainted the view of most Cajuns fans and they unfairly evaluate the job Waters has done.

Let me first address Middle staying at home at 8-3 in 2001. I really don't see how this is Waters fault. It was the first season of Sun Belt football, we were in just our third season of playing FBS football, we had only one bowl tie as a conference and that was the brand new New Orleans Bowl, there weren't as many bowls in general, there was no rule disallowing schools with losing records going bowling, and we didn't have our top notch athletic director at the time.

The biggest keys to that was us not having an aggressive an active AD in place, the newness of both the conference as well as our FBS affiliation and lastly the lack of a rule banning losing record teams from bowling. Had that rule already been in place, we would have gone to NOLA at 8-3, UNT would have sat at home at 5-6 and there would be no controversy.

As far as the MOU goes, the ball was dropped, but calling him lazy or stupid because it fell through I think is a bit much. If you think his eyes were the only ones on that contract, you're crazy. The conference must have some form of legal counsel that reviews all the contracts we sign with anyone regarding membership, television, bowls etc. and a minor detail slipped through the cracks that allowed these bowls to not take us. I think what is commonly overlooked in the MOU debate, is that those bowls clearly didn't want us in the first place, or they would have taken us regardless of the loophole that got them out. For all the blame many people want to place on Waters, they're unwilling to look in the mirror and realize that he's out there trying to sell a product that not a whole lot of people are interested in buying. Not many out of our own fanbases want to watch us on television, when is the last time you saw a opposing fanbase, especially going into a bowl game, getting pumped up to take on one of the top Sun Belt teams? Our actual product has improved under Waters watch and our perception is improving as well, though at a more gradual rate, but our product definitely exceeds our perception. It's not Waters fault that CUSA has more people who want to watch and more bowls that want to be associated with them. That's like Hyundai putting a dealership next to a Honda dealership and then getting mad at the guy running the dealership that more people want to drive Hondas. Yeah, there are certainly things he can do to improve things on a small level as far as directly competing with the Honda dealership next door, but if Hyundai wants him to sell more cars, they need to make better cars to make the job of selling them that much easier. If we want to get better guaranteed bowls and better television contracts, we need to put a better product on the field. Not to pat myself on the back, but I think the analogy is pretty apropo as in the last few years Hyundai has actually started making better cars like the Genesis and the Equus, and we as a conference have started putting better teams on the field. If Hyundai put a new guy in a dealership right as those new cars were launching, are the sales going up because the new guy, or because the product has improved? I think it's probably both, the new guy is excited about the new job, but he also has a better product to work with. I think we'll see the same thing with our new commissioner, he'll be walking into a much better situation than the one Waters walked into. Hopefully our next conference commissioner will be a guy who can pick up where Waters left off, learn from some of his shortcomings and take advantage of the better product he has at his disposal than the one his predecessor had.

I was always taught that you are only as good as the folks you surround yourselves with... But that was a long time ago... Our generations view things much differently/

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You're definitely right, he is still in charge of hiring legal counsel, so the blame ultimately falls with him, I'm simply pointing out that Waters didn't use the contracts and light bathroom reading for a day or two and sign them.
12-16-2011 02:11 PM
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