With FIU and WKU having winning records, what are the odds UCLA gets the waiver? If so, does this help Hawaii get a waiver for finishing 6-7?

Neither team deserves it.

(11-29-2011 01:42 AM)westcoastwolf Wrote:  Neither team deserves it.

UCLA would get the 'AQ-nod' over Hawaii. But I agree that neither deserve a bowl for playing 1 extra game. :\

UCLA would get it because they were bowl eligible before the championship game and the team above them in the standings is ineligible to go to the post-season. The NCAA rules spell this situation out and explain this situation.

Hawaii is playing 13 regular season games and has to win 7 to become bowl eligible.

(11-29-2011 08:03 AM)chazg Wrote:  UCLA would get it because they were bowl eligible before the championship game and the team above them in the standings is ineligible to go to the post-season. The NCAA rules spell this situation out and explain this situation.

Hawaii is playing 13 regular season games and has to win 7 to become bowl eligible.

I would be first class pissed if UCLA got a bowl bid ahead of FIU and WKU!!!

Waiver doesn't apply to Hawaii. UCLA will get it even though it was intended to only be used if needed to keep a bowl from having to shut down for a season.

(11-29-2011 07:41 AM)TampaKnight Wrote:  UCLA would get the 'AQ-nod' over Hawaii. But I agree that neither deserve a bowl for playing 1 extra game. :\

"AQ status" has ruined college football entirely. It has changed everything. recruits want to play for teams who have a legit chance to go to a National Championship Game, which means an AQ school only. So, the talent pool for us non-AQ leagues is shallow...thus our teams are less likely to succeed. This focuses all of the media hype further on the AQ teams because they have the playmakers, and that helps build fanbases. Bigger fanbases means more money, means beter facilities, equals better coaches willing to come to their program and stay.

If the AQ bs were to dissapear, you'd see a slow but eventual leveling of the overall field of teams. It'd take a while because opinions are ingrained as a result of AQ and tradition aided by AQ, but it would happen. If Eastern Michigan or ULM had just as much of an opportunity to make it to the NCG as Ohio State and Alabama then with enough time they too could get the players to succeed. this would result in the argument about one Conference being inferiour to another as justification for favoritism to dissapear because even the Sun Belt could move up to be on par with the SEC.

the Cartel HAS GOT TO GO. everyone in America knows the system is unjust, but there are too many fans of the AQ programs (because of what I just posted) who don't want to see anything change. It's just wrong.

(11-30-2011 01:44 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  

(11-29-2011 07:41 AM)TampaKnight Wrote:  UCLA would get the 'AQ-nod' over Hawaii. But I agree that neither deserve a bowl for playing 1 extra game. :\

"AQ status" has ruined college football entirely. It has changed everything. recruits want to play for teams who have a legit chance to go to a National Championship Game, which means an AQ school only. So, the talent pool for us non-AQ leagues is shallow...thus our teams are less likely to succeed. This focuses all of the media hype further on the AQ teams because they have the playmakers, and that helps build fanbases. Bigger fanbases means more money, means beter facilities, equals better coaches willing to come to their program and stay.

If the AQ bs were to dissapear, you'd see a slow but eventual leveling of the overall field of teams. It'd take a while because opinions are ingrained as a result of AQ and tradition aided by AQ, but it would happen. If Eastern Michigan or ULM had just as much of an opportunity to make it to the NCG as Ohio State and Alabama then with enough time they too could get the players to succeed. this would result in the argument about one Conference being inferiour to another as justification for favoritism to dissapear because even the Sun Belt could move up to be on par with the SEC.

the Cartel HAS GOT TO GO. everyone in America knows the system is unjust, but there are too many fans of the AQ programs (because of what I just posted) who don't want to see anything change. It's just wrong.

Money=Power=Greed

Another thing that will help level the playing field is the movement to reduce football scholarships to 80 from 85. This seems to be gaining momentum and seems to be certain that it will happen within a couple years.

(11-30-2011 03:49 PM)chazg Wrote:  Another thing that will help level the playing field is the movement to reduce football scholarships to 80 from 85. This seems to be gaining momentum and seems to be certain that it will happen within a couple years.

Only if there is also a reduction in roster limit.

(11-30-2011 01:44 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  

(11-29-2011 07:41 AM)TampaKnight Wrote:  UCLA would get the 'AQ-nod' over Hawaii. But I agree that neither deserve a bowl for playing 1 extra game. :\

"AQ status" has ruined college football entirely. It has changed everything. recruits want to play for teams who have a legit chance to go to a National Championship Game, which means an AQ school only. So, the talent pool for us non-AQ leagues is shallow...thus our teams are less likely to succeed. This focuses all of the media hype further on the AQ teams because they have the playmakers, and that helps build fanbases. Bigger fanbases means more money, means beter facilities, equals better coaches willing to come to their program and stay.

If the AQ bs were to dissapear, you'd see a slow but eventual leveling of the overall field of teams. It'd take a while because opinions are ingrained as a result of AQ and tradition aided by AQ, but it would happen. If Eastern Michigan or ULM had just as much of an opportunity to make it to the NCG as Ohio State and Alabama then with enough time they too could get the players to succeed. this would result in the argument about one Conference being inferiour to another as justification for favoritism to dissapear because even the Sun Belt could move up to be on par with the SEC.

the Cartel HAS GOT TO GO. everyone in America knows the system is unjust, but there are too many fans of the AQ programs (because of what I just posted) who don't want to see anything change. It's just wrong.

I could not disagree more! One thing is obvious the schools at the BOTTOM of the FBS have gotten a lot better in the last 10 years; those at the top have not. Think WKU was afraid to go toe-to-toe with LSU (who did as well as #3 Arkansas) or ASU with the National Champion Auburn Tigers last year. Ten years ago that was not the case.

The changes by the NCAA to force the former bottom feeders to invest in their programs have far outweighed any advantage the BCS system gave to most AQ programs.

The money gap has gotten wider the competition gap has closed.

well agree to disagree Seminole.

(11-30-2011 05:16 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  well agree to disagree Seminole.

According to ESPN Andrea Addlson non- blog today,

UCLA got a wavier today by the NCAA.

That sucks for WKU and FIU!!

(11-30-2011 05:20 PM)Lafitte the Pirate Wrote:  According to ESPN Andrea Addlson non- blog today,

UCLA got a wavier today by the NCAA.

That sucks for WKU and FIU!!

it's amazing how much suck there is to be found in the NCAA.

I don't think the 85 limit caused parity in college football.

US population has doubled since 1950 so there should be roughly twice as many quality players.

The top level of college football has flexed from 180+ in 1977 to 105 in 1982 to 123 next year. More talent split fewer ways. Sport didn't truly fully integrate until late 70's.

Fewer kids go to small rural schools that don't offer football

Training and conditioning are better so more players are close to reaching physical capacity.

Rule changes no longer hand enormous advantage to big strong teams that need only a great tailback behind the line. Seven on seven in high school allows greater development of skill at the expense of line play.

Recruiting is now national. Kids in talent rich regions get offers today when 40 years ago their playing would have ended in high school.

Pro salaries impact how serious players take football. In 1970 the minimum for a rookie was $9000 and for a veteran $10000. Making a living solely off football earnings was a silly idea until recent times, you had to have a post-football career.

Back in the unlimited signing days you could transfer more easily (except within the conference) so that offset some of the impact.

(11-30-2011 02:06 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

(11-30-2011 01:44 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  

(11-29-2011 07:41 AM)TampaKnight Wrote:  UCLA would get the 'AQ-nod' over Hawaii. But I agree that neither deserve a bowl for playing 1 extra game. :\

"AQ status" has ruined college football entirely. It has changed everything. recruits want to play for teams who have a legit chance to go to a National Championship Game, which means an AQ school only. So, the talent pool for us non-AQ leagues is shallow...thus our teams are less likely to succeed. This focuses all of the media hype further on the AQ teams because they have the playmakers, and that helps build fanbases. Bigger fanbases means more money, means beter facilities, equals better coaches willing to come to their program and stay.

If the AQ bs were to dissapear, you'd see a slow but eventual leveling of the overall field of teams. It'd take a while because opinions are ingrained as a result of AQ and tradition aided by AQ, but it would happen. If Eastern Michigan or ULM had just as much of an opportunity to make it to the NCG as Ohio State and Alabama then with enough time they too could get the players to succeed. this would result in the argument about one Conference being inferiour to another as justification for favoritism to dissapear because even the Sun Belt could move up to be on par with the SEC.

the Cartel HAS GOT TO GO. everyone in America knows the system is unjust, but there are too many fans of the AQ programs (because of what I just posted) who don't want to see anything change. It's just wrong.

Money=Power=Greed

Money=Power=Greed=Hate=Suffering the path to the dark side, this is

God I love Star Wars.

Wish someone would put out something new similar to Star Wars

(12-01-2011 01:53 PM)FeFiFo Wrote:  Wish someone would put out something new similar to Star Wars

ever read Battletech? the MechWarrior and MechAssault games are based on the Battletech Universe. they need to turn the Blood of Kerensky trilogy into movies. I can't believe they haven't already. When I saw Transformers my mouth was drooling at the possibilites for Battletech movies.

OK, sorry I got way off topic there fellas. I blame FeFiFo and communism.