straight before you come into the Big East Room Talking. And yes, u did step on my toes as a 1987 WVU grad.....

First off, every school in the football playing conference are D-1 Research Centers..

Second,

that's not the proper term as u used it.... IIRC. You can go to the Carnegie Research site and verify for yourself that WV, Pitt, Rutgers, USF, Syracuse, Louisville, Cincinnati, and UCONN has the highest classification........Doctoral/Research Extensive....every school in the football playing schools are ranked just as high as any school in the ACC for that superlative.


please check out the site

carnegiefoundation.org

for your verification.

jtwvu87 out...

Allow me to make one minor clarification to your post. The Carnegie Foundation classifications are just that, classifications. They're not rankings, as you hint at in your post, and merely indicate the level of doctoral research available at each institution. Calibre is another matter and often speculative to opinion, as seen on the discussion of the USN rankings, or those for Princeton Review, etc.

Yes, the BE 1-A schools are in the same classificaiton as those in the ACC, SEC, etc. Yes, WVU is unfairly slighted because of the required open admissions policy the school must employ as the only flagship within the state. Now, if this matters to you, will you restrict prospective additional members to the same classification?

ACC are full of themselves, ignore them. For a conference who acts like they're the academic elite they sure make a lot of historical errors and don't mind bending the truth or out and out lying.

Cat's_Claw Wrote:ACC are full of themselves, ignore them. For a conference who acts like they're the academic elite they sure make a lot of historical errors and don't mind bending the truth or out and out lying.

Proof, please.

listen, i don't give a dam$ how you want to spin it gunner, georgia tech swagger stated that wvu was a IIRC....and that is false.

period. we are classified as high as they are regarding doctoral granting degrees....period.

he made a false statement.

jtwvu87 Wrote:listen, i don't give a dam$ how you want to spin it gunner, georgia tech swagger stated that wvu was a IIRC....and that is false.

IIRC = If I Recall Correctly :wave:

I said WVU was, IIRC (see above) a tier 3. I remember reading that here, and last I checked the Princeton Review (~3-4 yrs ago) that fits with my vague recollection.

WE REALLY DON'T NEED ACC BOTTOM FEEDERS HERE. Please go play below the scum in your own pool. Thank you.
:wave:

JIM15068 Wrote:WE REALLY DON'T NEED ACC BOTTOM FEEDERS HERE. Please go play below the scum in your own pool. Thank you.
:wave:

NCAAbbs is made so that fans of diff. teams and conferences can interact.

I'm not flamming. I'm not violating the AUP. I was simply adding to already started ACC discussion.

Tell me how that's so wrong?

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:

JIM15068 Wrote:WE REALLY DON'T NEED ACC BOTTOM FEEDERS HERE. Please go play below the scum in your own pool. Thank you.
:wave:

NCAAbbs is made so that fans of diff. teams and conferences can interact.

I'm not flamming. I'm not violating the AUP. I was simply adding to already started ACC discussion.

Tell me how that's so wrong?

Since you ask, I will respond. I generally do not engage in argumentative discourse. What I find objectionable is that you are on a Bigeast board attacking the academic credentials of a brother school. If you look at the different categories, titles such as BIGEAST GENERAL, BIGEAST FOOTBALL BIGEAST BASKETBALL, AND BIGEAST SMACK exist. I would contend that this board exists for the Bigeast fan.

If you must engage in discussion which insults a Bigeast school, you should restrict it to the Smack board. For those who enjoy such caustic excursions, they may go there. I, for one, never want to see another insult by an acc poster on a BE BOARD.

Making the matter worse is your title of "administrator." I think I'll leave that one alone and end while I still have my pride.

well said JIM15068......and i agree with u.

JIM15068 Wrote:

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:

JIM15068 Wrote:WE REALLY DON'T NEED ACC BOTTOM FEEDERS HERE. Please go play below the scum in your own pool. Thank you.
:wave:

NCAAbbs is made so that fans of diff. teams and conferences can interact.

I'm not flamming. I'm not violating the AUP. I was simply adding to already started ACC discussion.

Tell me how that's so wrong?

Since you ask, I will respond. I generally do not engage in argumentative discourse. What I find objectionable is that you are on a Bigeast board attacking the academic credentials of a brother school. If you look at the different categories, titles such as BIGEAST GENERAL, BIGEAST FOOTBALL BIGEAST BASKETBALL, AND BIGEAST SMACK exist. I would contend that this board exists for the Bigeast fan.

If you must engage in discussion which insults a Bigeast school, you should restrict it to the Smack board. For those who enjoy such caustic excursions, they may go there. I, for one, never want to see another insult by an acc poster on a BE BOARD.

Making the matter worse is your title of "administrator." I think I'll leave that one alone and end while I still have my pride.

I'm not attacking. I was stating something previous mentioned here as a reason why WVU would never be in the ACC.

Since you're being anal about it:
<a href='http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/bigeast/invision/index.php?&act=ST&f=22&t=7029&hl=tier%203&st=50' target='_blank'>http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/bigeast/invi...=tier%203&st=50</a>

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usffan Posted: Jun 21 2005, 04:23 PM

Bored during lunch hour...

<a href='http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/r...tudoc_brief.php' target='_blank'>http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/r...tudoc_brief.php</a>

Here's how it breaks down for I-A members who are ranked (and for the Big East, their non-football playing counterparts):

By the way, Tier 1 and Tier 2 aren't separated. In order to do so, I arbitrarily took the top 60 as Tier 1 since the last number ranked was 120. Teams are listed in order of ranking for top 2 Tiers, alphabetically afterward.

ACC:

Tier 1 - Duke, Virginia, Wake Forest, North Carolina, BC, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Miami
Tier 2 - Clemson, Virginia Tech, NC State, FSU

Big East

Tier 1 - Notre Dame, Georgetown, Syracuse, Rutgers
Tier 2 - UConn, Pitt, Marquette, Seton Hall
Tier 3 - DePaul, St. John's, Cincinnati, Louisville, USF, West Virginia


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I have not flammed, I have not attacked, I merely RESTATED something a BE fan already said on these boards as a reason why WVU would never be in the ACC. I notice *no* WV fans cried foul when usffan posted that.

I can understand why you may have issues with the ACC, but that's no reason for you to have a chip on your shoulder / post diatriabes against me; I have done nothing to you or "your" school, and NCAAbbs is designed so that fans of diff. teams and conferences can interact.

Simply relying on the US News & World Reports' ranking of universities by use of its tier system fails to provide a complete picture of the total aspects of these universities.

First of all, the tier system rankings as used by US News & World Report places more emphasis on quality undergraduate education. Thus, universities like WVU that are the primary flagship state universities in their respective states will be ranked lower because of their open admissions polices. Second, this type of ranking does not adequately provide for the full aspect of graduate education and research funding found at large state universities like WVU, Ohio State, LSU, Tennessee, and others that are obviously tierd lowered than smaller institutions like Georgia Tech and Boston College.

The large state universities with open undergraduate admissions usually gain their prestige from the provision of comprehensive graduate level doctoral programs, medical schools, law schools, etc. The University of Cincinnati is in this category. This is why I liked the old Carnegie Foundation system for ranking universities. It had the Research One ranking as the highest. This ranking was restricted to the highest level research and/or doctoral granting institutions. The Carnegie Foundation's new ranking system, however, is too broad and inclusive and groups what previously were Research One and Research Two institutions into a broad group called Doctoral/Extensive Research University. This makes it difficult for universities formerly categorized and Research One to distinguish themselves from lesser research oriented universities.

Finally, there is Carnege's classification of Doctoral/Research Intensive which I believe comprises what were formerly Doctoral One and Doctoral Two universities. This category includes universities that simply offer a certain number of doctoral programs but are not at the level of the Research Extensive university. And, they are far from what was previously categorized as Research One universities.

My point is that we should not rely on one news magazine to decide the worth of what are a diverse range of universities with various missions and various targed student populations.