With the Taliban and Iranian influence over the rebels is it really good the Libyian government has collapsed. Will this result in a democratic Libya with concern for human rights or another Islamofacist state governed by clerics and Sharia Law. I suspect Libya will look much like Iran in a year.

I have hope that all ends well for the people of Libya.

(08-23-2011 05:47 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  With the Taliban and Iranian influence over the rebels is it really good the Libyian government has collapsed. Will this result in a democratic Libya with concern for human rights or another Islamofacist state governed by clerics and Sharia Law. I suspect Libya will look much like Iran in a year.

I'm worried about the "unsecured" chemical weapons and nasty things like man portable surface to air missiles that can easily down airliners that are nowhere to be found.

(08-23-2011 07:26 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(08-23-2011 05:47 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  With the Taliban and Iranian influence over the rebels is it really good the Libyian government has collapsed. Will this result in a democratic Libya with concern for human rights or another Islamofacist state governed by clerics and Sharia Law. I suspect Libya will look much like Iran in a year.

I'm worried about the "unsecured" chemical weapons and nasty things like man portable surface to air missiles that can easily down airliners that are nowhere to be found.

The "Rebels" are not nice people. I doubt they will be friendly to the US or other western nations. If they now have weapons that can be used against the US it's only a matter of time before they do. We've traded one tyrant for for many.

(08-23-2011 07:35 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(08-23-2011 07:26 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(08-23-2011 05:47 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  With the Taliban and Iranian influence over the rebels is it really good the Libyian government has collapsed. Will this result in a democratic Libya with concern for human rights or another Islamofacist state governed by clerics and Sharia Law. I suspect Libya will look much like Iran in a year.

I'm worried about the "unsecured" chemical weapons and nasty things like man portable surface to air missiles that can easily down airliners that are nowhere to be found.

The "Rebels" are not nice people. I doubt they will be friendly to the US or other western nations. If they now have weapons that can be used against the US it's only a matter of time before they do. We've traded one tyrant for for many.

Hopefully early in the conflict the US covertly inserted teams into Libya to neutralize these weapons where they were stored. That might explain the use of SEAL Dev Gru to nail UBL as Delta was busy in Libya.

These people will attack Syria next - with the weapons they are getting now.

(08-23-2011 07:41 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(08-23-2011 07:35 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(08-23-2011 07:26 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(08-23-2011 05:47 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  With the Taliban and Iranian influence over the rebels is it really good the Libyian government has collapsed. Will this result in a democratic Libya with concern for human rights or another Islamofacist state governed by clerics and Sharia Law. I suspect Libya will look much like Iran in a year.

I'm worried about the "unsecured" chemical weapons and nasty things like man portable surface to air missiles that can easily down airliners that are nowhere to be found.

The "Rebels" are not nice people. I doubt they will be friendly to the US or other western nations. If they now have weapons that can be used against the US it's only a matter of time before they do. We've traded one tyrant for for many.

Hopefully early in the conflict the US covertly inserted teams into Libya to neutralize these weapons where they were stored. That might explain the use of SEAL Dev Gru to nail UBL as Delta was busy in Libya.

With the legal corner that the administration painted themselves into, would they really be bold enough to risk boots on the ground?

(08-23-2011 09:04 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(08-23-2011 07:41 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(08-23-2011 07:35 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(08-23-2011 07:26 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(08-23-2011 05:47 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  With the Taliban and Iranian influence over the rebels is it really good the Libyian government has collapsed. Will this result in a democratic Libya with concern for human rights or another Islamofacist state governed by clerics and Sharia Law. I suspect Libya will look much like Iran in a year.

I'm worried about the "unsecured" chemical weapons and nasty things like man portable surface to air missiles that can easily down airliners that are nowhere to be found.

The "Rebels" are not nice people. I doubt they will be friendly to the US or other western nations. If they now have weapons that can be used against the US it's only a matter of time before they do. We've traded one tyrant for for many.

Hopefully early in the conflict the US covertly inserted teams into Libya to neutralize these weapons where they were stored. That might explain the use of SEAL Dev Gru to nail UBL as Delta was busy in Libya.

With the legal corner that the administration painted themselves into, would they really be bold enough to risk boots on the ground?

You just have to issue a "finding" and you can have a covert unit on the ground. Great thing about 50 USC Section 413b is that you don't have to specify who is actually on the ground. It could be entirely CIA, it could be a Military Unit "chopped" to the CIA (so its technically the CIA on the ground). Obama just has to notify the Congressional leadership and its not a problem.

Hopefully the chemical agents have been neutralized. The missiles are important, but a nerve agent detonated on Wall Street or in Midtown Manhattan would cause more problems than some airliners taking missile hits.

(08-23-2011 08:30 PM)Claw Wrote:  These people will attack Syria next - with the weapons they are getting now.

We should offer assylum to the Syrian Queen.

Syria doesn't have a queen. Are you thinking of Jordan?



Queen Noor wasn't bad back in the day, either.

Oops! My bad

(08-23-2011 07:41 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Hopefully early in the conflict the US covertly inserted teams into Libya to neutralize these weapons where they were stored. That might explain the use of SEAL Dev Gru to nail UBL as Delta was busy in Libya.

This Fox News story claims that we have people on the ground doing just that.

Quote:The main stockpile of mustard gas and other chemicals, stored in corroding drums, is at a site southeast of Tripoli. Mustard gas can cause severe blistering and death. A cache of hundreds of tons of raw uranium yellowcake is stored at a small nuclear facility east of the capital.

Weapons demolition teams hired by the State Department have located and destroyed some of the anti-aircraft rocket systems in rebel-held parts of the country.

U.S. and allied officials say chemical and nuclear stockpiles appear to be still under the control of what's left of the Libyan government despite rebel military advances into the capital. That may or may not be reassuring. It depends on whether Qaddafi loyalists, increasingly desperate, adhere to international agreements not to use or move the material.

The State Department has also sent experts to Libya to confer with rebel leaders and Libya's neighbors about abiding by those same compacts and beefing up border security to prevent weapons from being smuggled out.

Libya's Deadliest Weapons Not Yet Controlled

Quote:U.S. and allied officials say chemical and nuclear stockpiles appear to be still under the control of what's left of the Libyan government despite rebel military advances into the capital. That may or may not be reassuring. It depends on whether Qaddafi loyalists, increasingly desperate, adhere to international agreements not to use or move the material.

Aside from general respect for human life, they have no conceivable reason to maintain good control of those. At least Chavez was clever enough to get his hands on all of the nation's gold reserves before things come crashing down around his ears.

(08-24-2011 11:06 AM)I45owl Wrote:  Syria doesn't have a queen. Are you thinking of Jordan?



Queen Noor wasn't bad back in the day, either.

That's not Queen Noor.

My fault for not being clear. The first pic is the current queen ... apparently she is Palestinian, at least in heritage. Queen Noor was American.

She's hot as hell.

(08-23-2011 07:35 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(08-23-2011 07:26 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(08-23-2011 05:47 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  With the Taliban and Iranian influence over the rebels is it really good the Libyian government has collapsed. Will this result in a democratic Libya with concern for human rights or another Islamofacist state governed by clerics and Sharia Law. I suspect Libya will look much like Iran in a year.

I'm worried about the "unsecured" chemical weapons and nasty things like man portable surface to air missiles that can easily down airliners that are nowhere to be found.

The "Rebels" are not nice people. I doubt they will be friendly to the US or other western nations. If they now have weapons that can be used against the US it's only a matter of time before they do. We've traded one tyrant for for many.

Where exactly arre you getting your info on the rebels?

(08-24-2011 12:58 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(08-23-2011 07:35 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(08-23-2011 07:26 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(08-23-2011 05:47 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  With the Taliban and Iranian influence over the rebels is it really good the Libyian government has collapsed. Will this result in a democratic Libya with concern for human rights or another Islamofacist state governed by clerics and Sharia Law. I suspect Libya will look much like Iran in a year.

I'm worried about the "unsecured" chemical weapons and nasty things like man portable surface to air missiles that can easily down airliners that are nowhere to be found.

The "Rebels" are not nice people. I doubt they will be friendly to the US or other western nations. If they now have weapons that can be used against the US it's only a matter of time before they do. We've traded one tyrant for for many.

Where exactly arre you getting your info on the rebels?

Do you disagree with his assesment? If so, why?

Do you agree? You know the rebels personally, I take it. ALL of them? How nice for you, oh geniuses of the world!

(08-24-2011 06:20 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  Do you agree? You know the rebels personally, I take it. ALL of them? How nice for you, oh geniuses of the world!

Your sarcasm is inappropriate and unbecoming. I don't think there's any shortage of documentation of real concerns about just who the rebels are.