(07-26-2011 11:51 PM)troy4ever21 Wrote:  For which games?

2012 will be a GREAT year for Troy. We have Mississippi State and Navy at home!!

Memphis and UCA.

Weather permitting.

(07-25-2011 06:27 PM)westcoastwolf Wrote:  I'll just be glad to not see scores of USA v. Hargrave Military Academy.

(07-27-2011 12:21 AM)USACoN2012 Wrote:  

(07-25-2011 06:27 PM)westcoastwolf Wrote:  I'll just be glad to not see scores of USA v. Hargrave Military Academy.

So how many of those fans will contribute towards the 40k at Troy v. USA?

This looks like the end of a game...

(07-27-2011 01:33 AM)troy4ever21 Wrote:  This looks like the end of a game...

Hey, that's a pic I posted on photo bucket. Yes, it was after the game was over and fans leaving.

(07-27-2011 06:19 AM)Jag89 Wrote:  

(07-27-2011 01:33 AM)troy4ever21 Wrote:  This looks like the end of a game...

Hey, that's a pic I posted on photo bucket. Yes, it was after the game was over and fans leaving.

And it's in the end zone in the largest stadium in the conference. Let's see what everyone else's stadium looks like at the end of the game in the end zones.

(07-26-2011 11:49 PM)westcoastwolf Wrote:  ASU will get close to two sell-outs this year. And no, that's not delusional.

I'm still not sold on this.
I think Memphis will fall short by 4k, and UCA by 2k. I hope I'm wrong.

(07-26-2011 10:24 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-26-2011 09:59 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(07-26-2011 06:38 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-26-2011 06:22 PM)troy4ever21 Wrote:  Both schools should sell out year to year.

Doubtful.

Should be a sellout most games as both are located in Alabama, the Football Capital of the South. The state that furnished the last two BCS National Champions and Heisman Trophy winners. UAB doesn't draw real well but look where they're located. USA vs. Troy should become the premier rivalry in the SBC.

(07-26-2011 10:05 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  

(07-26-2011 09:45 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I'm not saying it won't be good for attendance, but yearly sell outs? When was the last time Troy sold out their stadium? Yeah that's what I thought, but now a school 200 miles away joins the conference and you're going to have a sell out every time they come to your stadium? FAU and FIU are much closer and they don't sell out when the other comes to town, MT and WKU are closer and neither of us sell out when the other comes to town(and it's the most played game between any two Sun Belt schools). Troy and South Alabama have two good fan bases and football is very big in Southern Alabama, and the first game at each venue will probably draw near sell out crowds and if the games are close that may spill over into the second time around at each venue, but before long it will be just become one of the better attended conference games where each school can reasonably expect 2k-3k fans above season average.

no one likes a debbie downer.

(07-26-2011 10:06 PM)powerjamalum Wrote:  When this game is on a Saturday either place we should expect 35000 to 40000 especially if both teams are playing well. Unfortunately if they move the game to Tuesday or Thursday for TV that will drop some of the fans travelling even though we are in state. Go Jags!

Doubt me all you want, but the past supports my position. . There are a few members who can probably answer this accurately, but how many Sun Belt conference games have had an attendance of even over 25k? I know of two, Troy @ MT in 2010 and I'm pretty sure the Cajuns had one. There may be more, but I'm pretty sure it's less than five, but now USA joins the conference and Troy vs USA is going to draw 35k-40k? Give me a break. This game will draw in the high twenties to maybe 30,000 for the first year at each school and will decline from there. It will likely settle in to around 23k-25k annually, with occasional spikes or dips depending on how each team is performing/when the game is played.

This isn't some magical rivalry that exists in a vacuum, this is Sun Belt football, there are closer rivals than these two with much more history. Doubt me if you really want, but your the ones who has a stake in the argument. You're looking at things optimistically(very optimistically at that if you expect 35k-40k annually) I'm looking at things realistically.

Everyone that reads and posts on this board knows exactly how you feel on South Alabama starting football and about how you feel that the scheduling changes doesn't please you (blah...blah...blah) etc., how sad, but you can bank on the fact that USA vs. Troy will out draw MTSU and any other team that plays at Floyd Stadium. We also know you don't won't to admit it, but believe me it is going to happen, like it or not. South Alabama has already sold over 8,000 tickets, to date for 2011 and is way ahead of last year's ticket drive. It is quite possible (let me add, probable) that USA will lead the conference THIS year in season ticket sales and we're still playing basically a FCS schedule. To me you are really hilarious because you are in denial of the University of South Alabama's future success in FBS/SBC football. Sorry for your apparent displeasure, but USA will be a successful fixture in the Belt. In 2012, we welcome you to Mobile's Ladd-Peebles Stadium to enjoy Jaguar football, Mr. MTPiK. Oh, and let me say that I do doubt you. Carry on.

look at it this way PiKapp, with South coming on board and probably becoming a major rival for Troy...we may overlook your Blue Raiders from time to time giving yall the chance to beat us.

Only way it's gonna happen.

(07-27-2011 11:24 AM)SidJag Wrote:  

(07-26-2011 10:24 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-26-2011 09:59 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(07-26-2011 06:38 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-26-2011 06:22 PM)troy4ever21 Wrote:  Both schools should sell out year to year.

Doubtful.

Should be a sellout most games as both are located in Alabama, the Football Capital of the South. The state that furnished the last two BCS National Champions and Heisman Trophy winners. UAB doesn't draw real well but look where they're located. USA vs. Troy should become the premier rivalry in the SBC.

(07-26-2011 10:05 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  

(07-26-2011 09:45 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I'm not saying it won't be good for attendance, but yearly sell outs? When was the last time Troy sold out their stadium? Yeah that's what I thought, but now a school 200 miles away joins the conference and you're going to have a sell out every time they come to your stadium? FAU and FIU are much closer and they don't sell out when the other comes to town, MT and WKU are closer and neither of us sell out when the other comes to town(and it's the most played game between any two Sun Belt schools). Troy and South Alabama have two good fan bases and football is very big in Southern Alabama, and the first game at each venue will probably draw near sell out crowds and if the games are close that may spill over into the second time around at each venue, but before long it will be just become one of the better attended conference games where each school can reasonably expect 2k-3k fans above season average.

no one likes a debbie downer.

(07-26-2011 10:06 PM)powerjamalum Wrote:  When this game is on a Saturday either place we should expect 35000 to 40000 especially if both teams are playing well. Unfortunately if they move the game to Tuesday or Thursday for TV that will drop some of the fans travelling even though we are in state. Go Jags!

Doubt me all you want, but the past supports my position. . There are a few members who can probably answer this accurately, but how many Sun Belt conference games have had an attendance of even over 25k? I know of two, Troy @ MT in 2010 and I'm pretty sure the Cajuns had one. There may be more, but I'm pretty sure it's less than five, but now USA joins the conference and Troy vs USA is going to draw 35k-40k? Give me a break. This game will draw in the high twenties to maybe 30,000 for the first year at each school and will decline from there. It will likely settle in to around 23k-25k annually, with occasional spikes or dips depending on how each team is performing/when the game is played.

This isn't some magical rivalry that exists in a vacuum, this is Sun Belt football, there are closer rivals than these two with much more history. Doubt me if you really want, but your the ones who has a stake in the argument. You're looking at things optimistically(very optimistically at that if you expect 35k-40k annually) I'm looking at things realistically.

Everyone that reads and posts on this board knows exactly how you feel on South Alabama starting football and about how you feel that the scheduling changes doesn't please you (blah...blah...blah) etc., how sad, but you can bank on the fact that USA vs. Troy will out draw MTSU and any other team that plays at Floyd Stadium. We also know you don't won't to admit it, but believe me it is going to happen, like it or not. South Alabama has already sold over 8,000 tickets, to date for 2011 and is way ahead of last year's ticket drive. It is quite possible (let me add, probable) that USA will lead the conference THIS year in season ticket sales and we're still playing basically a FCS schedule. To me you are really hilarious because you are in denial of the University of South Alabama's future success in FBS/SBC football. Sorry for your apparent displeasure, but USA will be a successful fixture in the Belt. In 2012, we welcome you to Mobile's Ladd-Peebles Stadium to enjoy Jaguar football, Mr. MTPiK. Oh, and let me say that I do doubt you. Carry on.

You're starting to sound a lot like some of those Western KY fans before they entered 1A football. If you recall it did not turn out so well for them despite the 1AA champoionships they had. It's easy to have good fan support when you have gone undefeated the last couple of seasons. It's a completely different story when you start losing a few games. I think you guys will be successful, but it will take a while to build your program.

And for the record, MT sold around 12,000 season tickets right before we moved to 1A. If you're still selling that many season tickets 5 years after going 1A I will be impressed.

(07-27-2011 12:59 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  And for the record, MT sold around 12,000 season tickets right before we moved to 1A. If you're still selling that many season tickets 5 years after going 1A I will be impressed.

I agree. Once the 'new' wears off, and the loses start to mount.....you'll see your true fanbase.

I have no problem with anything MTPK has said. And I think he's probably right, partly. South won't sell out for Troy next year. I think it will go down as our highest attended game to that date, but not 40k. We'll only get that for Miss. St. in the next few years. But I do think a sell out in Troy is entirely possible.

(07-26-2011 12:37 PM)SpaceRaider Wrote:  

(07-26-2011 12:27 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I am extremely aggravated that we have to go on the road to play USA next year, we already have two road OOC games scheduled for 2012, I hate that we have to go on the road for what amounts to a FCS opponent and will prevent us from having six home games. Hopefully we beat Georgia Tech at home this year and they buy out of our 2012 game.

isn't it supposed to count as a 'conference' game? If we're at 8 conference games next season, who won't we be playing?

You won't be playing the Cajuns, I think.

(07-27-2011 12:59 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(07-27-2011 11:24 AM)SidJag Wrote:  

(07-26-2011 10:24 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-26-2011 09:59 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(07-26-2011 06:38 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Doubtful.

Should be a sellout most games as both are located in Alabama, the Football Capital of the South. The state that furnished the last two BCS National Champions and Heisman Trophy winners. UAB doesn't draw real well but look where they're located. USA vs. Troy should become the premier rivalry in the SBC.

(07-26-2011 10:05 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  

(07-26-2011 09:45 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I'm not saying it won't be good for attendance, but yearly sell outs? When was the last time Troy sold out their stadium? Yeah that's what I thought, but now a school 200 miles away joins the conference and you're going to have a sell out every time they come to your stadium? FAU and FIU are much closer and they don't sell out when the other comes to town, MT and WKU are closer and neither of us sell out when the other comes to town(and it's the most played game between any two Sun Belt schools). Troy and South Alabama have two good fan bases and football is very big in Southern Alabama, and the first game at each venue will probably draw near sell out crowds and if the games are close that may spill over into the second time around at each venue, but before long it will be just become one of the better attended conference games where each school can reasonably expect 2k-3k fans above season average.

no one likes a debbie downer.

(07-26-2011 10:06 PM)powerjamalum Wrote:  When this game is on a Saturday either place we should expect 35000 to 40000 especially if both teams are playing well. Unfortunately if they move the game to Tuesday or Thursday for TV that will drop some of the fans travelling even though we are in state. Go Jags!

Doubt me all you want, but the past supports my position. . There are a few members who can probably answer this accurately, but how many Sun Belt conference games have had an attendance of even over 25k? I know of two, Troy @ MT in 2010 and I'm pretty sure the Cajuns had one. There may be more, but I'm pretty sure it's less than five, but now USA joins the conference and Troy vs USA is going to draw 35k-40k? Give me a break. This game will draw in the high twenties to maybe 30,000 for the first year at each school and will decline from there. It will likely settle in to around 23k-25k annually, with occasional spikes or dips depending on how each team is performing/when the game is played.

This isn't some magical rivalry that exists in a vacuum, this is Sun Belt football, there are closer rivals than these two with much more history. Doubt me if you really want, but your the ones who has a stake in the argument. You're looking at things optimistically(very optimistically at that if you expect 35k-40k annually) I'm looking at things realistically.

Everyone that reads and posts on this board knows exactly how you feel on South Alabama starting football and about how you feel that the scheduling changes doesn't please you (blah...blah...blah) etc., how sad, but you can bank on the fact that USA vs. Troy will out draw MTSU and any other team that plays at Floyd Stadium. We also know you don't won't to admit it, but believe me it is going to happen, like it or not. South Alabama has already sold over 8,000 tickets, to date for 2011 and is way ahead of last year's ticket drive. It is quite possible (let me add, probable) that USA will lead the conference THIS year in season ticket sales and we're still playing basically a FCS schedule. To me you are really hilarious because you are in denial of the University of South Alabama's future success in FBS/SBC football. Sorry for your apparent displeasure, but USA will be a successful fixture in the Belt. In 2012, we welcome you to Mobile's Ladd-Peebles Stadium to enjoy Jaguar football, Mr. MTPiK. Oh, and let me say that I do doubt you. Carry on.

You're starting to sound a lot like some of those Western KY fans before they entered 1A football. If you recall it did not turn out so well for them despite the 1AA champoionships they had. It's easy to have good fan support when you have gone undefeated the last couple of seasons. It's a completely different story when you start losing a few games. I think you guys will be successful, but it will take a while to build your program.

And for the record, MT sold around 12,000 season tickets right before we moved to 1A. If you're still selling that many season tickets 5 years after going 1A I will be impressed.

Optimism is not always a bad thing. I have seen that a lot of posters on this site tend to shake their tailfeathers from time to time and it's all entertainment and not to be taken personally.

(07-27-2011 11:24 AM)SidJag Wrote:  Everyone that reads and posts on this board knows exactly how you feel on South Alabama starting football and about how you feel that the scheduling changes doesn't please you (blah...blah...blah) etc., how sad

How I feel about South Alabama starting football? You mean that I'm excited for you guys and happy to have you in the conference and look forward to taking trips to Mobile?

How the scheduling changes don't please me? You mean how I misunderstood and thought we'd be playing you in place of an OOC game and it pissed me off, only to find out that we're playing you in place of another conference game, which doesn't bother me at all?

(07-27-2011 11:24 AM)SidJag Wrote:  but you can bank on the fact that USA vs. Troy will out draw MTSU and any other team that plays at Floyd Stadium. We also know you don't won't to admit it, but believe me it is going to happen, like it or not.

This is where you're wrong. MT drew 28,010 for Troy in 2010. I think that Troy vs USA the first two years has a good chance at breaking that number, but that won't be an annual thing. I don't know why you got your panties in a wad, all I pointed out was the high improbability of South Alabama vs Troy being an annual sell-out. Look we've been playing Sun Belt football for ten years now and the attendance record for all those hundreds of games is 29,031, if you cannot recognize that it's beyond improbable that Troy vs South Alabama outdraws that number year in and year out, I just don't know what to tell you. It will not happen, period, end of story. As I've said before, I give Troy @ USA the first time a long shot at a sell out and USA @ Troy the first time a good shot at a sell out. Unless both games are highly competitive(they won't be) those numbers will start declining the 2nd time around at each school. Within five years the game will be drawing somewhere around 23,000, which is very respectable for a conference game, but obviously nowhere near a sell out.

(07-27-2011 11:24 AM)SidJag Wrote:  South Alabama has already sold over 8,000 tickets, to date for 2011 and is way ahead of last year's ticket drive. It is quite possible (let me add, probable) that USA will lead the conference THIS year in season ticket sales and we're still playing basically a FCS schedule. To me you are really hilarious because you are in denial of the University of South Alabama's future success in FBS/SBC football. Sorry for your apparent displeasure, but USA will be a successful fixture in the Belt.

As I've said all along, it is a common misconception to believe that what you're drawing now against lower competition is any indicator of what you'll draw at the FBS level. You're attendance will continue to go up...for a few years. It will level off and even decline slightly in the first five years. USA is in a football hotbed and has an excellent fanbase, but South Alabama is not different than the rest of the conference. Within five years at the FBS level, you'll be averaging around 20,000 +/- 3,000 depending on how attractive the schedule is and how well the season is going. There's no reason that South Alabama won't be successful in the Sun Belt, both in the stands and on the field, but past results are the best indicator of future results and South Alabama is no different than every other school that has ever started up or moved up to the FBS level. Is it possible that South Alabama is the next Boise State? Yes, it's absolutely possible, but for every Boise there are five UAB/Buffalo/ULM/WKU/etc. South Alabama would be extremely lucky to duplicate the success that Troy has had and Troy is certainly no Boise. So while it is entirely possible that USA will be the next Boise, it's much more likely you'll be the next UAB.

(07-27-2011 11:24 AM)SidJag Wrote:  In 2012, we welcome you to Mobile's Ladd-Peebles Stadium to enjoy Jaguar football, Mr. MTPiK. Oh, and let me say that I do doubt you. Carry on.

I look forward to making the trip if I'm able to. I had a blast in Mobile for the conference basketball tournament a few years back and I had a blast in Mobile for the Godaddy.com bowl back in January, I'm sure I'll have a blast again if I'm able to make it in 2012 and I'm confident I'll enjoy Jaguar football as the visitors will win with relative ease, no disrespect, but USA will not be quite ready in 2012, but I think that the games will get closer fast and USA will have more success out of the gate than WKU has.

I don't care that you doubt me one bit, all you have to go off is your own myopic optimism, I'm going off of 100's of Sun Belt games to compare USA vs Troy to, plenty of former startups/moveups to compare USA to, and unbiased common sense.

Feel free to save this thread any way you choose, but be prepared to eat a big plate of crow when I'm right, because I am, and please let me be clear that none of this is meant as disrespect to South Alabama. If anything this is simply in defense of the preposterous notion that South Alabama vs Troy is somehow that much better than any other Sun Belt game. I actually find it disrespectful to every other member of the conference to suggest that Troy vs South Alabama would break the previous attendance record year in and year out.

(07-27-2011 09:53 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-27-2011 11:24 AM)SidJag Wrote:  Everyone that reads and posts on this board knows exactly how you feel on South Alabama starting football and about how you feel that the scheduling changes doesn't please you (blah...blah...blah) etc., how sad

How I feel about South Alabama starting football? You mean that I'm excited for you guys and happy to have you in the conference and look forward to taking trips to Mobile?

How the scheduling changes don't please me? You mean how I misunderstood and thought we'd be playing you in place of an OOC game and it pissed me off, only to find out that we're playing you in place of another conference game, which doesn't bother me at all?

(07-27-2011 11:24 AM)SidJag Wrote:  but you can bank on the fact that USA vs. Troy will out draw MTSU and any other team that plays at Floyd Stadium. We also know you don't won't to admit it, but believe me it is going to happen, like it or not.

This is where you're wrong. MT drew 28,010 for Troy in 2010. I think that Troy vs USA the first two years has a good chance at breaking that number, but that won't be an annual thing. I don't know why you got your panties in a wad, all I pointed out was the high improbability of South Alabama vs Troy being an annual sell-out. Look we've been playing Sun Belt football for ten years now and the attendance record for all those hundreds of games is 29,031, if you cannot recognize that it's beyond improbable that Troy vs South Alabama outdraws that number year in and year out, I just don't know what to tell you. It will not happen, period, end of story. As I've said before, I give Troy @ USA the first time a long shot at a sell out and USA @ Troy the first time a good shot at a sell out. Unless both games are highly competitive(they won't be) those numbers will start declining the 2nd time around at each school. Within five years the game will be drawing somewhere around 23,000, which is very respectable for a conference game, but obviously nowhere near a sell out.

(07-27-2011 11:24 AM)SidJag Wrote:  South Alabama has already sold over 8,000 tickets, to date for 2011 and is way ahead of last year's ticket drive. It is quite possible (let me add, probable) that USA will lead the conference THIS year in season ticket sales and we're still playing basically a FCS schedule. To me you are really hilarious because you are in denial of the University of South Alabama's future success in FBS/SBC football. Sorry for your apparent displeasure, but USA will be a successful fixture in the Belt.

As I've said all along, it is a common misconception to believe that what you're drawing now against lower competition is any indicator of what you'll draw at the FBS level. You're attendance will continue to go up...for a few years. It will level off and even decline slightly in the first five years. USA is in a football hotbed and has an excellent fanbase, but South Alabama is not different than the rest of the conference. Within five years at the FBS level, you'll be averaging around 20,000 +/- 3,000 depending on how attractive the schedule is and how well the season is going. There's no reason that South Alabama won't be successful in the Sun Belt, both in the stands and on the field, but past results are the best indicator of future results and South Alabama is no different than every other school that has ever started up or moved up to the FBS level. Is it possible that South Alabama is the next Boise State? Yes, it's absolutely possible, but for every Boise there are five UAB/Buffalo/ULM/WKU/etc. South Alabama would be extremely lucky to duplicate the success that Troy has had and Troy is certainly no Boise. So while it is entirely possible that USA will be the next Boise, it's much more likely you'll be the next UAB.

(07-27-2011 11:24 AM)SidJag Wrote:  In 2012, we welcome you to Mobile's Ladd-Peebles Stadium to enjoy Jaguar football, Mr. MTPiK. Oh, and let me say that I do doubt you. Carry on.

I look forward to making the trip if I'm able to. I had a blast in Mobile for the conference basketball tournament a few years back and I had a blast in Mobile for the Godaddy.com bowl back in January, I'm sure I'll have a blast again if I'm able to make it in 2012 and I'm confident I'll enjoy Jaguar football as the visitors will win with relative ease, no disrespect, but USA will not be quite ready in 2012, but I think that the games will get closer fast and USA will have more success out of the gate than WKU has.

I don't care that you doubt me one bit, all you have to go off is your own myopic optimism, I'm going off of 100's of Sun Belt games to compare USA vs Troy to, plenty of former startups/moveups to compare USA to, and unbiased common sense.

Feel free to save this thread any way you choose, but be prepared to eat a big plate of crow when I'm right, because I am, and please let me be clear that none of this is meant as disrespect to South Alabama. If anything this is simply in defense of the preposterous notion that South Alabama vs Troy is somehow that much better than any other Sun Belt game. I actually find it disrespectful to every other member of the conference to suggest that Troy vs South Alabama would break the previous attendance record year in and year out.

Now, aren't we all having a nice conference brotherly bash?

(07-26-2011 03:22 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-26-2011 02:38 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(07-26-2011 01:29 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-26-2011 12:53 PM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  

(07-26-2011 12:43 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Whether or not it counts as a conference game does not change how I feel about it. We're accustomed to having six home games at MT and with all due respect to USA, having to go to Mobile for a seventh road game pisses me off and I actually really like Mobile.

Yeah, and having to wear a South shirt to the game too just makes it worse huh?

Haha...yeah, I know what you're talking about, but hopefully I'll get that out of the way sometime this year.

We'll welcome MTSU to Mobile in grand fashion as well as the 17 fans y'all bring to witness the ass whupin MT will get.

Go Jags!

shhh what's dat the jaguars are on the prowl

Cute.

I'm glad South Alabama made the commitment to add football and to do it the right way, I like the school, the campus and the city.

While I'm sure there was some intentional hyperbole for the sake of pot stirring in that post, talking trash about our football team or our fanbase is pretty laughable. We've won the more league games than anyone and the 2nd most since Troy joined the conference and we'll travel better to Mobile than everyone in the conference with the obvious exception of Troy and possibly the Cajuns.

Yeah,I know you guys travel. I was just getting you hyped to come South. It has been along time coming and it is good to see all of yall on the schedule , on the field and in the stands. It is good for Mobile.

I was giving Troy a lot of credit for travelling on Saturday games and the fact there are a good many Troy grads in the area for Mobile and Baldwin county.

Can't wait to play you guys! I really hope your venture into fbs after starting a program semi-recently turns out to be a huge success. You guys need to show UTSA how it's done!

I think UTSA will become a huge success, but it won't be immediately. The Jaguar program started out crawling and work their way up. Next year it's FBS all the way.