(07-08-2011 10:18 PM)laxtonto Wrote: poor academics
point of order here Chief
admission requirements
UTA accepts top quarter automatically......second quarter is 1050 SAT or 22 ACT 3rd and 4th are individual review
http://www.uta.edu/admissions/freshmen/a...ements.php
UNT
http://www.unt.edu/vwbk/admission.htm
top 10% automatic like all schools in Texas except UT Austin
next 15% (the rest of the top quarter) is 950 SAT or 20 ACT
second quarter is 1050 SAT or 23 ACT (only one ACT point higher than UTA and the same for the SAT)
third quarter is 1180/26
so I hardly see any difference in admissions standards
http://www.txhighereddata.org/Interactiv...nerate.cfm
Freshman in top 10% of class from 2000-2010
UTA 19.2% 15.8% 16.2% 19.4% 19.3% 18.5% 19.9% 18.1% 22.7% 23.9%
UNT 13.4% 14.1% 14.3% 15.6% 15.3% 15.0% 15.5% 16.4% 16.5% 17.7%
clear advantage UTA and often by a significant %
4 year graduation rate 1999-2009
UTA 11.1% 14.7% 13.3% 13.7% 16.6% 17.5% 17.7% 16.3% 19.9% 19.7% 19.1%
UNT 11.3% 13.4% 14.8% 16.2% 17.2% 20.3% 19.4% 20.4% 21.7% 21.7% 24.3%
clear advantage UNT
5 year
UTA 25.2% 26.6% 33.7% 34.1% 34.5% 38.2% 38.3% 39.6% 38.4% 45.1% 40.6%
UNT 34.1% 35.6% 36.9% 37.3% 38.3% 42.0% 44.8% 43.6% 44.0% 46.3% 47.3%
clear advantage UNT
6 year
UTA 34.3% 37.4% 38.3% 43.6% 43.3% 44.1% 48.5% 49.7% 49.2% 49.6% 55.3%
UNT 48.7% 46.6% 47.5% 48.5% 47.2% 48.3% 52.9% 54.5% 54.3% 53.3% 56.0%
still advantage UNT, but getting very close in numbers and both are less than impressive so trying to claim superior academics based on less than impressive and pretty similar 6 year graduation rates is not a lot to work with
average lower division class size
UTA
The University of Texas at Arlington 36 42 41 39 38 39 41 42
University of North Texas 40 46 49 48 48 46 44 45
successful employment or graduate school 2000-2009
UTA
The University of Texas at Arlington 84.0% 82.3% 80.4% 78.6% 80.3% 78.2% 81.5% 82.0% 80.8% 78.6%
University of North Texas 82.8% 79.4% 79.0% 78.5% 78.6% 77.6% 82.4% 80.8% 79.8% 77.9%
Total Research Expenditures 2001-2009 (a key component of Texas "Tier 1" funding)
The University of Texas at Arlington $19,966,034 $21,072,964 $23,314,938 $22,417,130 $33,826,960 $34,865,068 $39,624,428 $50,338,292 $55,621,050
University of North Texas $17,441,681 $18,875,396 $17,587,767 $15,636,344 $16,801,061 $16,377,501 $14,489,684 $16,798,880 $22,557,512
clear advantage UTA by a mile and a long ways away for UNT from meeting the restricted research (the numbers shown are for total research) dollars needed for Texas "Tier 1 funding"
UTA also offers nursing and architecture which UNT does not offer ans UTA has a much larger and more respected college of engineering
so I am not seeing the "poor academics" unless you are saying that UNT also has poor academics