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Texas-Arlington to WAC
The Commissioner of the WAC, Mr. Karl Benson, visited U. T. Arlington's campus on June 29, 2011, to meet with President Spaniolo and U. T. Arlington Athletic Director, Mr. Pete Carlon, to discuss the possible move. On July 5, 2011, Commissioner Benson notified President Spaniolo that the Presidents of the nine universities comprising the current WAC membership, including President Romo of U. T. San Antonio, had voted
unanimously to extend an invitation to U. T. Arlington to join the conference. The effective date of the move would be July 1, 2012. (The nine current members of the WAC are: University of Denver, University of Idaho, Louisiana Tech University, New Mexico State University, San Jose State University, Seattle University, U. T. San Antonio, Texas State University, and Utah State University.) Like U. T. Arlington, the
University of Denver and Seattle University are non-football playing members of the WAC. The WAC is a bowl subdivision conference where football is important, but U. T. Arlington's invitation is not conditioned on U. T. Arlington starting a football program"

http://www.utsystem.edu/bor/agendabook/j...7-11ab.pdf
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Congratulations ! Thank Gawd that Belt teams were smart enough to say NO THANKS when the WAC came calling. Maybe Benson will stop stalking Belt teams now04-rock
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RE: Texas-Arlington to WAC
While I'm sure most are familiar with geography, I think it's hilarious to imagine this conference on a map.

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This will quite possibly be the least fan-friendly conference in terms of travelling.
I'm not exactly sure what media markets are going to anchor it.
It spans three different time zones.

How a team like LA Tech could not be knocking down the door to return to the Sun Belt is beyond me. 10 years ago, I understand, but 10 years ago, 75% of these teams were in the Sun Belt or labeled D1AA.

I give this line-up less than five years before 30-40% of the members are elsewhere.
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RE: Texas-Arlington to WAC
(07-08-2011 08:51 PM)westcoastwolf Wrote:  While I'm sure most are familiar with geography, I think it's hilarious to imagine this conference on a map.

[Image: us-map.gif]

This will quite possibly be the least fan-friendly conference in terms of travelling.
I'm not exactly sure what media markets are going to anchor it.
It spans three different time zones.

How a team like LA Tech could not be knocking down the door to return to the Sun Belt is beyond me. 10 years ago, I understand, but 10 years ago, 75% of these teams were in the Sun Belt or labeled D1AA.

I give this line-up less than five years before 30-40% of the members are elsewhere.

You can bet that San Jose wants out NOW. Check a map. They are a looonnnng way from their nearest New-WAC conference mate.
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RE: Texas-Arlington to WAC
(07-08-2011 08:36 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  The Commissioner of the WAC, Mr. Karl Benson, visited U. T. Arlington's campus on June 29, 2011, to meet with President Spaniolo and U. T. Arlington Athletic Director, Mr. Pete Carlon, to discuss the possible move. On July 5, 2011, Commissioner Benson notified President Spaniolo that the Presidents of the nine universities comprising the current WAC membership, including President Romo of U. T. San Antonio, had voted
unanimously to extend an invitation to U. T. Arlington to join the conference. The effective date of the move would be July 1, 2012. (The nine current members of the WAC are: University of Denver, University of Idaho, Louisiana Tech University, New Mexico State University, San Jose State University, Seattle University, U. T. San Antonio, Texas State University, and Utah State University.) Like U. T. Arlington, the
University of Denver and Seattle University are non-football playing members of the WAC. The WAC is a bowl subdivision conference where football is important, but U. T. Arlington's invitation is not conditioned on U. T. Arlington starting a football program"

http://www.utsystem.edu/bor/agendabook/j...7-11ab.pdf

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RE: Texas-Arlington to WAC
Washington? Check.
California? Check.
New Mexcio? Check.
Texas? Check.
Lousiana? Check.

Up next: Mexico, Florida, the Carolinas, the New England Area.

The WAC won't stand for the Western Athletic Conference, it will stand for the "Whole American Continent."
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What conference has UT-Arlington been in, before this?
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Unless if UTA makes a surprise announcement regarding adding football next week, the WAC still has to add one full member that plays FBS football within the grace period to maintain its status as an FBS Conference (the automatic bid for basketball is more than adequately covered). I'd still expect Lamar to come on in 2013. If that happens the South/East Division will be set:

South (East):
Louisiana Tech/Lamar
Texas State/Texas-San Antonio
New Mexcio State/Texas-Arlington

North (West):
Idaho/Seattle
Utah State/Denver
San Jose State/???

The first choice will probably be Portland State, Cal Poly SLO, or Sacramento State. Cal-State Bakersfield would be the backup if a ninth suitable football member cannot be found. If the WAC can get to 12/14, Denver can be shipped South (East), as that would be at worst neutral for them in terms of travel.
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(07-08-2011 09:12 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  What conference has UT-Arlington been in, before this?

The Southland, of which UTA has been a charter member since 1963. They will be joining their fellow Southland members UTSA and Texas State in the WAC.
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(07-08-2011 09:26 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  
(07-08-2011 09:12 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  What conference has UT-Arlington been in, before this?

The Southland, of which UTA has been a charter member since 1963. They will be joining their fellow Southland members UTSA and Texas State in the WAC.

The new SLAC!
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RE: Texas-Arlington to WAC
(07-08-2011 09:29 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(07-08-2011 09:26 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  
(07-08-2011 09:12 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  What conference has UT-Arlington been in, before this?

The Southland, of which UTA has been a charter member since 1963. They will be joining their fellow Southland members UTSA and Texas State in the WAC.

The new SLAC!

so latech fans are now SLACkers...
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(07-08-2011 09:20 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I'd still expect Lamar to come on in 2013. If that happens the South/East Division will be set:

South (East):
Louisiana Tech/Lamar
Texas State/Texas-San Antonio
New Mexico State/Texas-El Paso

North (West):
Idaho/Seattle
Utah State/Denver
San Jose State/???
Are the Miners leaving C-USA?
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What is going to happen with the WAC football?
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RE: Texas-Arlington to WAC
(07-08-2011 09:32 PM)SpaceRaider Wrote:  
(07-08-2011 09:29 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(07-08-2011 09:26 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  
(07-08-2011 09:12 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  What conference has UT-Arlington been in, before this?

The Southland, of which UTA has been a charter member since 1963. They will be joining their fellow Southland members UTSA and Texas State in the WAC.

The new SLAC!

so latech fans are now SLACkers...

New WAC + SLC= SLAC
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RE: Texas-Arlington to WAC
Not really understanding this move.

So no established football program (with the idea of bringing back football in 2014/2016), no real media draw, poor academics and little fan support is outweighed by the idea that it makes conference travel easier for the no revenue sports? This move really answers none of the current problems with the WAC and hurts the potential for bringing in additional football school.

And since UTA does not have an existing football program, it will put them is the same boat as UTSA and TSU as far as needing the WAC to find another existing football member to legitimize to conference to allow their football team to be a FBS program.

Can the Sunbelt just go ahead and invite La Tech and NMSU and get this over with? Just kill off the WAC and go ahead and protect the recruiting of the entire SunBelt by keeping the WAC from adding 3 more mouths to feed.
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(07-08-2011 08:36 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  The Commissioner of the WAC, Mr. Karl Benson, visited U. T. Arlington's campus on June 29, 2011, to meet with President Spaniolo and U. T. Arlington Athletic Director, Mr. Pete Carlon, to discuss the possible move. On July 5, 2011, Commissioner Benson notified President Spaniolo that the Presidents of the nine universities comprising the current WAC membership, including President Romo of U. T. San Antonio, had voted
unanimously to extend an invitation to U. T. Arlington
to join the conference. The effective date of the move would be July 1, 2012. (The nine current members of the WAC are: University of Denver, University of Idaho, Louisiana Tech University, New Mexico State University, San Jose State University, Seattle University, U. T. San Antonio, Texas State University, and Utah State University.) Like U. T. Arlington, the
University of Denver and Seattle University are non-football playing members of the WAC. The WAC is a bowl subdivision conference where football is important, but U. T. Arlington's invitation is not conditioned on U. T. Arlington starting a football program"

http://www.utsystem.edu/bor/agendabook/j...7-11ab.pdf

A unanimous vote by the Presidents to include Tech's president . . wow . . is this a bad joke or what ???
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(07-08-2011 10:18 PM)laxtonto Wrote:  poor academics

point of order here Chief

admission requirements

UTA accepts top quarter automatically......second quarter is 1050 SAT or 22 ACT 3rd and 4th are individual review

http://www.uta.edu/admissions/freshmen/a...ements.php

UNT

http://www.unt.edu/vwbk/admission.htm

top 10% automatic like all schools in Texas except UT Austin

next 15% (the rest of the top quarter) is 950 SAT or 20 ACT

second quarter is 1050 SAT or 23 ACT (only one ACT point higher than UTA and the same for the SAT)

third quarter is 1180/26

so I hardly see any difference in admissions standards

http://www.txhighereddata.org/Interactiv...nerate.cfm

Freshman in top 10% of class from 2000-2010

UTA 19.2% 15.8% 16.2% 19.4% 19.3% 18.5% 19.9% 18.1% 22.7% 23.9%

UNT 13.4% 14.1% 14.3% 15.6% 15.3% 15.0% 15.5% 16.4% 16.5% 17.7%

clear advantage UTA and often by a significant %

4 year graduation rate 1999-2009

UTA 11.1% 14.7% 13.3% 13.7% 16.6% 17.5% 17.7% 16.3% 19.9% 19.7% 19.1%

UNT 11.3% 13.4% 14.8% 16.2% 17.2% 20.3% 19.4% 20.4% 21.7% 21.7% 24.3%

clear advantage UNT

5 year

UTA 25.2% 26.6% 33.7% 34.1% 34.5% 38.2% 38.3% 39.6% 38.4% 45.1% 40.6%

UNT 34.1% 35.6% 36.9% 37.3% 38.3% 42.0% 44.8% 43.6% 44.0% 46.3% 47.3%

clear advantage UNT

6 year

UTA 34.3% 37.4% 38.3% 43.6% 43.3% 44.1% 48.5% 49.7% 49.2% 49.6% 55.3%

UNT 48.7% 46.6% 47.5% 48.5% 47.2% 48.3% 52.9% 54.5% 54.3% 53.3% 56.0%

still advantage UNT, but getting very close in numbers and both are less than impressive so trying to claim superior academics based on less than impressive and pretty similar 6 year graduation rates is not a lot to work with

average lower division class size

UTA

The University of Texas at Arlington 36 42 41 39 38 39 41 42
University of North Texas 40 46 49 48 48 46 44 45

successful employment or graduate school 2000-2009

UTA

The University of Texas at Arlington 84.0% 82.3% 80.4% 78.6% 80.3% 78.2% 81.5% 82.0% 80.8% 78.6%
University of North Texas 82.8% 79.4% 79.0% 78.5% 78.6% 77.6% 82.4% 80.8% 79.8% 77.9%

Total Research Expenditures 2001-2009 (a key component of Texas "Tier 1" funding)

The University of Texas at Arlington $19,966,034 $21,072,964 $23,314,938 $22,417,130 $33,826,960 $34,865,068 $39,624,428 $50,338,292 $55,621,050
University of North Texas $17,441,681 $18,875,396 $17,587,767 $15,636,344 $16,801,061 $16,377,501 $14,489,684 $16,798,880 $22,557,512

clear advantage UTA by a mile and a long ways away for UNT from meeting the restricted research (the numbers shown are for total research) dollars needed for Texas "Tier 1 funding"

UTA also offers nursing and architecture which UNT does not offer ans UTA has a much larger and more respected college of engineering

so I am not seeing the "poor academics" unless you are saying that UNT also has poor academics
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All that blah-blah just to point out that there's an extreme shortage of nurses and Asians prefer schools in urban settings ?
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Wow, glad we will be leaving that hybrid mess.

PS, you SBC guys that are on the WAC board, can you slap some sense into the WAC guys saying that when UTA starts fb in 2016...


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"IMO, UNT unknowingly comes out of this the real loser. Public perception will always have the Sunbelt behind the WAC. Hell, many people still call the MWC the WAC. The WAC has been to BCS bowls. UNT has no Texas conference rivals. They now have to compete for the same caliber recruits in DFW with UTSA and TSU in football. Throw UTA in the mix if they add football (especially w/ Jerry World) and UNT will wither on the vine.

If UNT had joined, they woulda blocked this move and made it better for themselves."
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RE: Texas-Arlington to WAC
It would be a long time before the WAC could be better off-even if UTA's first full FBS season is in 2016, they'll still be a startup, and at least 3 of their conference rivals (assuming Lamar gets in) will be either in their third or fourth year of competition as a full member of the Bowl Subdivision. Unless if Lamar, UTSA, Texas State, and UTA all turn into South Florida, the WAC will have the perception that the Sun Belt did in its infancy as a football conference. Throw in some former Big West (Cal Poly SLO, UC Davis) or Big Sky (Sacramento State, Portland State, Montana, etc.) schools in the mix as well, and it will only lengthen the time it takes the WAC to shake off that perception.

If UNT wanted to join the WAC, their probably really isn't anything from stopping them, as long as they do it before Lamar joins. If Louisiana Tech leaves, that might create another opening, but once a fourth school from Texas is added, that's probably it.
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