(07-04-2011 09:07 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(07-02-2011 01:37 PM)miko33 Wrote:  I keep seeing on the boards how Jurich is trying to get UL out of the BE, or that the BE better be careful on who it invites or UL is going to the Big XII, Texas has a standing invite for UL to join the BigXII, etc, etc. A number of UL fans have made these statements numerous times. On the surface it never seems like much except for the timing. Whenever someone writes and article about Pitt and/or WVU being invited to another conference, it takes no longer than a day before some UL fans posts "news" about Louisville going off to another conference. UL fan seems to get jealous and will manufacture things out of whole cloth in order to get a "me too" moment...

No reason to get upset, just wish us luck. That's what we'll do when you leave for the ACC, Big 10, Big 12 or SEC. I'm sure you'll have a number of choices. When that happens we'll say good luck and move on.
CJ

I was responding to another UL poster who didn't care for the fact that I made a few threads about Pitt. I do wish UL luck if the superconference thing takes off. I'm not upset about any school speculating on their prospects. But I don't care for people trying to tear a school down just because fans of the school are speculating about what the future may bring.

In the end, I hope the BE gets a nice fat new contract. It would provide some stability for a period of time at least. Plus all of our schools can use the money.

(06-30-2011 12:01 PM)Sammy11 Wrote:  Curious how the board sees this. If I was to predict ACC expansion here are the schools I think they can both get and desire.

Not getting but want: ND

Could get:
1- Syracuse : Confirmed in the VT addition
2- Pitt : Academics fit and strong athletically. Bridge the gap between BC & Cuse and Maryland.
3&4: UConn or Rutgers: I go back and forth on who is in the lead. Both add state schools to add influence in the Northeast. Rutgers has stronger long term value (if the ACC ever went the network route) and UConn is stronger athletically right now. Both can fit ok academically.
5- West Virginia: Everything but markets and academic fit. Unfortunately the ACC is the academic heavyweight of the BCS conferences.
6- ?????

Thoughts?

Memphis? Not close to the coast, poor academics, bad football team...but would hep recruiting and piss the SEC off (Tennessee, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Auburn, & Alabama).

(06-30-2011 12:01 PM)Sammy11 Wrote:  Curious how the board sees this. If I was to predict ACC expansion here are the schools I think they can both get and desire.

Not getting but want: ND

Could get:
1- Syracuse : Confirmed in the VT addition
2- Pitt : Academics fit and strong athletically. Bridge the gap between BC & Cuse and Maryland.
3&4: UConn or Rutgers: I go back and forth on who is in the lead. Both add state schools to add influence in the Northeast. Rutgers has stronger long term value (if the ACC ever went the network route) and UConn is stronger athletically right now. Both can fit ok academically.
5- West Virginia: Everything but markets and academic fit. Unfortunately the ACC is the academic heavyweight of the BCS conferences.
6- ?????

Thoughts?

Sammy....just curious why you believe Rutgers has a "stronger long term value" than UConn? Are you thinking in terms of media markets?

(07-07-2011 05:36 AM)jam2112 Wrote:  

(06-30-2011 12:01 PM)Sammy11 Wrote:  Curious how the board sees this. If I was to predict ACC expansion here are the schools I think they can both get and desire.

Not getting but want: ND

Could get:
1- Syracuse : Confirmed in the VT addition
2- Pitt : Academics fit and strong athletically. Bridge the gap between BC & Cuse and Maryland.
3&4: UConn or Rutgers: I go back and forth on who is in the lead. Both add state schools to add influence in the Northeast. Rutgers has stronger long term value (if the ACC ever went the network route) and UConn is stronger athletically right now. Both can fit ok academically.
5- West Virginia: Everything but markets and academic fit. Unfortunately the ACC is the academic heavyweight of the BCS conferences.
6- ?????

Thoughts?

Sammy....just curious why you believe Rutgers has a "stronger long term value" than UConn? Are you thinking in terms of media markets?

The rationale is based off media markets and similar long-term football prospects. Uconn hoops may make more waves and make it to where RU has to be very good to win out & that's why I go back and forth. If RU won consistently and took a good portion of NYC it would be a big add. If not, uconn makes more sense.

4 more to 16
Syracuse
Pitt
Lousiville
Uconn

(07-08-2011 10:07 AM)Sammy11 Wrote:  

(07-07-2011 05:36 AM)jam2112 Wrote:  

(06-30-2011 12:01 PM)Sammy11 Wrote:  Curious how the board sees this. If I was to predict ACC expansion here are the schools I think they can both get and desire.

Not getting but want: ND

Could get:
1- Syracuse : Confirmed in the VT addition
2- Pitt : Academics fit and strong athletically. Bridge the gap between BC & Cuse and Maryland.
3&4: UConn or Rutgers: I go back and forth on who is in the lead. Both add state schools to add influence in the Northeast. Rutgers has stronger long term value (if the ACC ever went the network route) and UConn is stronger athletically right now. Both can fit ok academically.
5- West Virginia: Everything but markets and academic fit. Unfortunately the ACC is the academic heavyweight of the BCS conferences.
6- ?????

Thoughts?

Sammy....just curious why you believe Rutgers has a "stronger long term value" than UConn? Are you thinking in terms of media markets?

The rationale is based off media markets and similar long-term football prospects. Uconn hoops may make more waves and make it to where RU has to be very good to win out & that's why I go back and forth. If RU won consistently and took a good portion of NYC it would be a big add. If not, uconn makes more sense.

UCONN owns CT period and simple. That includes #30 ranked New Haven/Hartford TV market. In addition, CT's Fairfield County (approx. 1M people) is part of NYC DMA. That's 1/18 of NYC market that's also in UCONN country. UCONN also sits in-between NYC and Boston.

RU sits between Philly and NYC. Now if RU ever becomes an athletic powerhouse you might have a point, but all they got to live on is their potential.

If ACC is to expand, taking UCONN over RU is a no-brainer. Only reason some ACC schools might take CUSE over UCONN is if they want more private schools. Otherwise, taking a flagship state university that owns its own state is a no brainer. Miami originally wanted that when they joined the ACC and requested BCU and CUSE to go with them. UCONN wasn't in the discussion back then because UCONN football was just starting. People forget ACC used to pride itself as the premier basketball conference. As CT's flagship university with excellent academics and one of the better overall athletic programs in the country, inviting UCONN over RU to the ACC would be a no brainer. Not to mention UCONN also will bring two blue blood type basketball program with them.

Now do I want to go to the ACC if invited? I would go if CUSE came with us. If no other NE school came with us and BE is stable, I would have to think long and hard about it. I don't want my school to be another red-haired stepchild like BCU currently is. With UCONN and BCU in the ACC, it would be a small comfort but I would feel a lot better if CUSE came with us too.

If 16 ever became a magic number, I think Cuse, UConn, Pitt, and WV make a lot of sense for the ACC. I don't think ND will dissolve hundreds of years of tradition to join a conference as such ... but I could be wrong. Of course if their NBC contracts ever lapsed, strange things could happen.

What team actually helps the ACC in football that would actually be open to moving to the ACC?

1) West Virginia - if we're talking about a purely football equation...no one else comes closer to a fit. Academically and culturally, there are mismatches.
2) Uconn - Football would be competitive in the ACC and is a match across the board.

After that, the compatibility drops off

3) Pitt - assuming that WVU is coming along, I guess they'd be a good enough fit.
4) Rutgers - its a toss up between them and Syracuse. Neither would be a tremendous gain for the ACC, but I guess Rutgers would help the ACC bridge the gap.

Louisville is just too far away, and their football has fallen on hard times. Cincy is, rightly or wrongly, seen as a commuter school. Syracuse has history, but not much recent success.

In short, I can concieve of an ACC that added WVU, Pitt, Rutgers, and Uconn. Its still not going to happen unless the ACC gets raided by the SEC or the Big 10.