How exactly is Tech negligible as you say in baseball and basketball. Our baseball team just finished third in the WAC(hardly neglect there). And we just got rated an A for our new basketball coach(hardly a program that is sitting around doing nothing to improve). All three of our programs would do very well in the belt.

The conference doesn't have the support necessarily to hold a championship at a neutral site, but the game would be an enormous draw if played at the home field of the school with the best record. That televised game would boost the image of the conference.

(06-18-2011 09:08 AM)theATLDawg Wrote:  How exactly is Tech negligible as you say in baseball and basketball. Our baseball team just finished third in the WAC(hardly neglect there). And we just got rated an A for our new basketball coach(hardly a program that is sitting around doing nothing to improve). All three of our programs would do very well in the belt.

Tech men's basketball SUCKS........

Belt had a bad season (2010/2011) and Sagarin ratings would have Tech as an also ran (#9) in the conference. Congrats with your new coach, but he has yet to do zip with your program. You also need to look at your RPI and power ratings.....

Didn't Tech baseball recently host the WAC baseball tourney, the team being a grounds crew because they finished in last place and didn't qualify for the tourney ?

(06-17-2011 04:24 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  [/i]

(06-17-2011 02:52 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  CUSA is making less per team with 12 than if they were smaller.

I don't believe that we can go to 12 without it costing us dollars. If we aren't making more money where is the benefit?

Who could we add that is going to improve reputation, prestige, etc., there has to be a benefit to do it.

I'm not sure that the tide isn't turning and being below 12 may prove to have advantages in the future. No need to lock-in unless there is a compelling reason.

12?

Screw 12.


I want 16.



SOUTHWEST

New Mexico State
UTSA
Texas State
North Texas
Arkansas State
ULM
Louisiana Tech
Louisiana


SOUTHEAST

South Alabama
Troy
Middle Tennessee
Western Kentucky
Appalachain State
Georgia State
Florida Atlantic
FIU



By going bigger, we get MORE regional, and MORE stable thru growth.

2 distinct, regional mini-conferences under the SBC umbrella.

Kill the WAC.


Don't Fear The Reaper......

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I would replace Georgia State with either ODU or UNCC. If Georgia State enters the SBC, most USA fans would want to exit. This poster included.

(06-18-2011 11:32 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Didn't Tech baseball recently host the WAC baseball tourney, the team being a grounds crew because they finished in last place and didn't qualify for the tourney ?

Yes, about 3 or 4 years ago. Didn't Tech just recently kick MTSU's butts?

(06-18-2011 12:18 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(06-18-2011 11:32 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Didn't Tech baseball recently host the WAC baseball tourney, the team being a grounds crew because they finished in last place and didn't qualify for the tourney ?

Yes, about 3 or 4 years ago. Didn't Tech just recently kick MTSU's butts?

Yes, the best Louisiana Tech baseball team in years "kicked butt" against the worst Middle Tennessee baseball team in years...

12-9 Tech
3-2 Tech
9-6 Middle

A 2-1 mark in a three game set at home with a one run aggregate advantage...yep, Tech kicked our butts....

(06-18-2011 12:36 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-18-2011 12:18 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(06-18-2011 11:32 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Didn't Tech baseball recently host the WAC baseball tourney, the team being a grounds crew because they finished in last place and didn't qualify for the tourney ?

Yes, about 3 or 4 years ago. Didn't Tech just recently kick MTSU's butts?

Yes, the best Louisiana Tech baseball team in years "kicked butt" against the worst Middle Tennessee baseball team in years...

12-9 Tech
3-2 Tech
9-6 Middle

A 2-1 mark in a three game set at home with a one run aggregate advantage...yep, Tech kicked our butts....

Worst MT team since we started playing baseball in the 60's, after a year where we had 10 players drafted to pro ball in 2010.

(06-18-2011 09:08 AM)theATLDawg Wrote:  How exactly is Tech negligible as you say in baseball and basketball. Our baseball team just finished third in the WAC(hardly neglect there). And we just got rated an A for our new basketball coach(hardly a program that is sitting around doing nothing to improve). All three of our programs would do very well in the belt.

Simple

Mens Bsketball...despite whatever your new coach does has been terrible in recent years... Now the SBC has been terrible as well...so theres no real gain or loss

La Tech baseball has been terrible for a while, but is coming off what is a good year for them. Still the SBC is one of the better baseball leagues in the country. 3rd place in the WAC does not translate to 3rd in the SBC... you're talking about going from what is a 1-2 bid league at most to a league that averages 3 sometimes 4 bids a year.

The only thing WAC Baseball has going for it is Fresno State, and that wont be going for it for much longer.

(06-18-2011 11:42 AM)JoeJag Wrote:  I would replace Georgia State with either ODU or UNCC. If Georgia State enters the SBC, most USA fans would want to exit. This poster included.

Not pointing at any particular school, but the conference doesn't really need tiny schools, with tiny budgets, in tiny markets, in remote locations hours away from any regional airport.

The conference needs to see what school can be the next South Florida, the next Central Florida, the next Florida International, the next Middle Tennessee etc. It may take a dozen years, but those kind of schools have the ability raise the profile of their entire conference.

There is nothing wrong with FCS football as it does serve a valuable need. Tiny rural low budget schools, regardless of how competitive they may be at times, belong in FCS football.

Honestly, if we feel the need to expand, I'd rather take a chance on the new schools like Appy St or one of the Georgia schools. They'd be glad to join....and we wouldn't be indebted to them for some 'unforeseen favors' a few years from now.

(06-18-2011 04:40 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  Honestly, if we feel the need to expand, I'd rather take a chance on the new schools like Appy St or one of the Georgia schools. They'd be glad to join....and we wouldn't be indebted to them for some 'unforeseen favors' a few years from now.

+1 . .

A break down of consecutive games played in each Sun Belt and WAC series. Several are significantly older but this is a measure of consecutive seasons played.
http://www.arkst.com/?p=1034

(06-18-2011 12:36 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(06-18-2011 12:18 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(06-18-2011 11:32 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Didn't Tech baseball recently host the WAC baseball tourney, the team being a grounds crew because they finished in last place and didn't qualify for the tourney ?

Yes, about 3 or 4 years ago. Didn't Tech just recently kick MTSU's butts?

Yes, the best Louisiana Tech baseball team in years "kicked butt" against the worst Middle Tennessee baseball team in years...

12-9 Tech
3-2 Tech
9-6 Middle

A 2-1 mark in a three game set at home with a one run aggregate advantage...yep, Tech kicked our butts....

My point is that baseball is a very volatile sport. You can suck one year and be decent the next year, and suck again the next year. To bring up a team from 3-4 years ago is irrelevant. But really nobody in the Sun Belt is relevant on the national stage and neither is Tech. And it's a non-revenue sport. Fresno won the national championship a couple of years ago and it netted $0 for the WAC. Baseball smack is weak.

ahem. UALR just won the SBC tournament. yes the top three in the WAc equealed the top three in the belt. and basketball at TECH is mediocre but it doesn't suck. We had 24 wins just two years ago. had a sucky year and fired the coach. Hardly a program under neglect. ULL sucked for many years and hired a good coach. It's hard to say that any school that actually cares enough to quickly fire an underperforming coach is neglecting its program.

(06-18-2011 05:47 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  ahem. UALR just won the SBC tournament. yes the top three in the WAc equealed the top three in the belt.

Sometimes we forget you guys look up to UALR. I mean 3 for 2 in basketball?!?!

(06-18-2011 04:40 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  Honestly, if we feel the need to expand, I'd rather take a chance on the new schools like Appy St or one of the Georgia schools. They'd be glad to join....and we wouldn't be indebted to them for some 'unforeseen favors' a few years from now.

Could the Sun Belt prosper with 14 members in two 7 team divisions? This will allow each team to have 6 games within its division. Plus have 3 intra division games (one against a dedicated rival maybe) and 3 out of conference games. The three intradivision games could simply rotate.

East

Ap State
FAU
FIU
Georgia State
Georgia Southern/Kennesaw State
Middle Tennessee
North Carolina Charlotte

West

Arkansas State
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
North Texas
South Alabama
Troy
Western Kentucky

This would help travel for non football sports?

(06-20-2011 10:46 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(06-18-2011 04:40 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  Honestly, if we feel the need to expand, I'd rather take a chance on the new schools like Appy St or one of the Georgia schools. They'd be glad to join....and we wouldn't be indebted to them for some 'unforeseen favors' a few years from now.

Could the Sun Belt prosper with 14 members in two 7 team divisions? This will allow each team to have 6 games within its division. Plus have 3 intra division games (one against a dedicated rival maybe) and 3 out of conference games. The three intradivision games could simply rotate.

East

Ap State
FAU
FIU
Georgia State
Georgia Southern/Kennesaw State
Middle Tennessee
North Carolina Charlotte

West

Arkansas State
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
North Texas
South Alabama
Troy
Western Kentucky

This would help travel for non football sports?

(06-16-2011 03:38 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  Why doesn't the SBC just invite NMSU and LA Tech and move to a 12 team conference while at the same time put the WAC out of its misery?

West - North Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas State, Louisiana Tech, New Mexico State, and UL-Monroe

East - Middle Tennessee, Troy, Florida International, Florida Atlantic, Western Kentucky, and South Alabama

That's actually the best case scenario for all involved.

NMSU may want to remain in a western based conference no matter how dismal the projections are for the lowly WAC. If that is the case, Texas State, a 30K enrollment Tier 2 national research school in central Texas has already completed it's first transition year to FBS and would be ready to enter Sun Belt play in 2012 as a full FBS program. Texas State may not have have the quality basketball that NMSU has, but it is in a much better market and fits solidly in the conference footprint.

(06-20-2011 10:13 PM)Adler Wrote:  

(06-16-2011 03:38 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  Why doesn't the SBC just invite NMSU and LA Tech and move to a 12 team conference while at the same time put the WAC out of its misery?

West - North Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas State, Louisiana Tech, New Mexico State, and UL-Monroe

East - Middle Tennessee, Troy, Florida International, Florida Atlantic, Western Kentucky, and South Alabama

That's actually the best case scenario for all involved.

NMSU may want to remain in a western based conference no matter how dismal the projections are for the lowly WAC. If that is the case, Texas State, a 30K enrollment Tier 2 national research school in central Texas has already completed it's first transition year to FBS and would be ready to enter Sun Belt play in 2012 as a full FBS program. Texas State may not have have the quality basketball that NMSU has, but it is in a much better market and fits solidly in the conference footprint.

Texas State = Just a mouth to feed. No help with basketball RPI or football that would enhance the conference. $$$ out of our pocket, no thanks. Please don't use the term "potential". That just means they haven't done anything yet.