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RE: WAC members continue to complain about expansion
why shouldn't we look up to UALR. They seem to represent the belt more than Arky State ever does. Looks to me like they are pretty much looking down on you too.
06-20-2011 10:27 PM
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RE: WAC members continue to complain about expansion
(06-20-2011 10:17 PM)MG61 Wrote:  
(06-20-2011 10:13 PM)Adler Wrote:  
(06-16-2011 03:38 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  Why doesn't the SBC just invite NMSU and LA Tech and move to a 12 team conference while at the same time put the WAC out of its misery?

West - North Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas State, Louisiana Tech, New Mexico State, and UL-Monroe

East - Middle Tennessee, Troy, Florida International, Florida Atlantic, Western Kentucky, and South Alabama

That's actually the best case scenario for all involved.

NMSU may want to remain in a western based conference no matter how dismal the projections are for the lowly WAC. If that is the case, Texas State, a 30K enrollment Tier 2 national research school in central Texas has already completed it's first transition year to FBS and would be ready to enter Sun Belt play in 2012 as a full FBS program. Texas State may not have have the quality basketball that NMSU has, but it is in a much better market and fits solidly in the conference footprint.

Texas State = Just a mouth to feed. No help with basketball RPI or football that would enhance the conference. $$$ out of our pocket, no thanks. Please don't use the term "potential". That just means they haven't done anything yet.

The proverbial jury is still out on Texas State and as they transition to the FBS the going will be tough, but I feel their resources look promising for the future, IMO with the Franchione hiring. I am confident he'll build a viable program there much fast than Coker will at UT-San Antonio.
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RE: WAC members continue to complain about expansion
(06-20-2011 11:00 PM)SidJag Wrote:  
(06-20-2011 10:17 PM)MG61 Wrote:  
(06-20-2011 10:13 PM)Adler Wrote:  
(06-16-2011 03:38 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  Why doesn't the SBC just invite NMSU and LA Tech and move to a 12 team conference while at the same time put the WAC out of its misery?

West - North Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas State, Louisiana Tech, New Mexico State, and UL-Monroe

East - Middle Tennessee, Troy, Florida International, Florida Atlantic, Western Kentucky, and South Alabama

That's actually the best case scenario for all involved.

NMSU may want to remain in a western based conference no matter how dismal the projections are for the lowly WAC. If that is the case, Texas State, a 30K enrollment Tier 2 national research school in central Texas has already completed it's first transition year to FBS and would be ready to enter Sun Belt play in 2012 as a full FBS program. Texas State may not have have the quality basketball that NMSU has, but it is in a much better market and fits solidly in the conference footprint.

Texas State = Just a mouth to feed. No help with basketball RPI or football that would enhance the conference. $$$ out of our pocket, no thanks. Please don't use the term "potential". That just means they haven't done anything yet.

The proverbial jury is still out on Texas State and as they transition to the FBS the going will be tough, but I feel their resources look promising for the future, IMO with the Franchione hiring. I am confident he'll build a viable program there much fast than Coker will at UT-San Antonio.

We'll see. The great Fran applied all over the country without any result for 2-3 years before landing the Bobcat gig. I'll wait to be convinced.
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RE: WAC members continue to complain about expansion
(06-20-2011 11:09 PM)MG61 Wrote:  
(06-20-2011 11:00 PM)SidJag Wrote:  
(06-20-2011 10:17 PM)MG61 Wrote:  
(06-20-2011 10:13 PM)Adler Wrote:  
(06-16-2011 03:38 PM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  Why doesn't the SBC just invite NMSU and LA Tech and move to a 12 team conference while at the same time put the WAC out of its misery?

West - North Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas State, Louisiana Tech, New Mexico State, and UL-Monroe

East - Middle Tennessee, Troy, Florida International, Florida Atlantic, Western Kentucky, and South Alabama

That's actually the best case scenario for all involved.

NMSU may want to remain in a western based conference no matter how dismal the projections are for the lowly WAC. If that is the case, Texas State, a 30K enrollment Tier 2 national research school in central Texas has already completed it's first transition year to FBS and would be ready to enter Sun Belt play in 2012 as a full FBS program. Texas State may not have have the quality basketball that NMSU has, but it is in a much better market and fits solidly in the conference footprint.

Texas State = Just a mouth to feed. No help with basketball RPI or football that would enhance the conference. $$$ out of our pocket, no thanks. Please don't use the term "potential". That just means they haven't done anything yet.

The proverbial jury is still out on Texas State and as they transition to the FBS the going will be tough, but I feel their resources look promising for the future, IMO with the Franchione hiring. I am confident he'll build a viable program there much fast than Coker will at UT-San Antonio.

We'll see. The great Fran applied all over the country without any result for 2-3 years before landing the Bobcat gig. I'll wait to be convinced.

Fran's milked the buy-out contract from A&M for the duration of it's payments and then hired on with Texas State immediately after the payments stopped. I can't say I blame him, it was quite a bit of money. Texas State has been improving their facilities, and their student athletics fee will enable them to dwarf a couple of Sun Belt budgets from day 1.

UT-San Antonio should be a candidate for a FBS conference in a few years if they reach their potential. They may be a candidate for the Sun Belt if either the the Belt changes to 7 team divisions, or if one of the northern Louisiana schools returns to the Southland.
06-21-2011 12:14 AM
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RE: WAC members continue to complain about expansion
(06-21-2011 12:14 AM)Adler Wrote:  ...UT-San Antonio should be a candidate for a FBS conference in a few years if they reach their potential...

The collapse of the WAC has been pretty rapid
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RE: WAC members continue to complain about expansion
The Big East is apparently growing cool to the idea of 12 teams because it would reduce the per team money
http://www.cbssports.com/#!/collegefootb...ss-is-more
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(06-21-2011 10:56 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  The Big East is apparently growing cool to the idea of 12 teams because it would reduce the per team money
http://www.cbssports.com/#!/collegefootb...ss-is-more

That supports the status-quo agrument that I've been starting to make lately. The Big East doesn't want to share its BCS money with the likes of UCF and ECU just for the sake of getting to 12. Maybe for a UMass or a 'Nova or a Temple, but not for strangers (TCU is a completely different story).

Beyond the little to no movement out of the Big East (barring an unforeseen raid) that means C-USA stands pat, which brings us to the Sun Belt and WAC. If La Tech can not figure a way out of the WAC by 2013, they will basically be setting their program back at least 10 years to the time they left the Belt for the WAC. They will then be in the Sun Belt c. 2002. Lots of Basketball schools mixed with football schools who are in an FBS survival mode mixed with FCS' and start-ups.
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(06-18-2011 05:47 PM)theATLDawg Wrote:  ahem. UALR just won the SBC tournament. yes the top three in the WAc equealed the top three in the belt. and basketball at TECH is mediocre but it doesn't suck. We had 24 wins just two years ago. had a sucky year and fired the coach. Hardly a program under neglect. ULL sucked for many years and hired a good coach. It's hard to say that any school that actually cares enough to quickly fire an underperforming coach is neglecting its program.

ahem, UL was going to regionals before Robichaux was hired. The program was put on probation because of NCAA violations and lost scholarships when Robichaux was hired. Tech is mediocre because it doesn't invest into baseball and it sucked before Simoneaux took it over. Mediocre is playing .500 ball, anything below sucks!
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After we get rid of our Athletic Director and the Sun Belt once again considers FCS schools I hope that Ga Southern gets a look. With a long history against Ark LR, Troy, Ark St, MTSU, FIU, and the possibility of making the jump with App State to have a die hard rival on top of old rivals MTSU and Troy I think it would be a very natural fit. I just don't know why other Belt schools don't think so.

The other problem is our fanbase is torn as well about staying FCS, and avoiding the belt but I think it is perfect.
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RE: WAC members continue to complain about expansion
(06-23-2011 08:59 AM)GaSouthern Wrote:  After we get rid of our Athletic Director and the Sun Belt once again considers FCS schools I hope that Ga Southern gets a look. With a long history against Ark LR, Troy, Ark St, MTSU, FIU, and the possibility of making the jump with App State to have a die hard rival on top of old rivals MTSU and Troy I think it would be a very natural fit. I just don't know why other Belt schools don't think so.

The other problem is our fanbase is torn as well about staying FCS, and avoiding the belt but I think it is perfect.

Glad to see your enthusiam. As far as the others in your fan base, they can forget getting into another conference unless they start their own, which I doubt.
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(06-23-2011 09:03 AM)BlueRaiderFan. Wrote:  
(06-23-2011 08:59 AM)GaSouthern Wrote:  After we get rid of our Athletic Director and the Sun Belt once again considers FCS schools I hope that Ga Southern gets a look. With a long history against Ark LR, Troy, Ark St, MTSU, FIU, and the possibility of making the jump with App State to have a die hard rival on top of old rivals MTSU and Troy I think it would be a very natural fit. I just don't know why other Belt schools don't think so.

The other problem is our fanbase is torn as well about staying FCS, and avoiding the belt but I think it is perfect.

Glad to see your enthusiam. As far as the others in your fan base, they can forget getting into another conference unless they start their own, which I doubt.

Yeah they are all hung up on the rumor of Appy getting an invite to the C-USA in the event that the B.E. raids the C-USA of 3 or so schools.

The reality is the only conference that Ga Southern has a shot at is the Belt and I don't blame you guys for hating our athletic director, we don't like him either. We have a new President of our school who actually LOVES football (the old one was indifferent) and we are starting stadium expansions this season. Our coach is on board and i'd say 65-80% of our fanbase is for moving up.

Now we just need the Belt to take interest in FCS schools (probably wont happen) and for us to be ready to make the jump and then for the belt to actually pick us.

Yeah, it's a REALLY long, longshot
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(06-23-2011 09:11 AM)GaSouthern Wrote:  Yeah they are all hung up on the rumor of Appy getting an invite to the C-USA in the event that the B.E. raids the C-USA of 3 or so schools.
The reality is the only conference that Ga Southern has a shot at is the Belt and I don't blame you guys for hating our athletic director, we don't like him either. We have a new President of our school who actually LOVES football (the old one was indifferent) and we are starting stadium expansions this season. Our coach is on board and i'd say 65-80% of our fanbase is for moving up.
Now we just need the Belt to take interest in FCS schools (probably wont happen) and for us to be ready to make the jump and then for the belt to actually pick us.
Yeah, it's a REALLY long, longshot

Yep, the FBS slots just continue to become more and more valuable; the PAC-12 just signed a $3 Billion dollar t.v. deal....that's billion with a B 04-jawdrop

All other AQ conferences will see similar appreciation in their football revenue over time. Again, the non-AQ's must band together before they become as irrelevant (in the national market place) as the FCS conferences. [The FCS play-off is about as interesting, nationally, as the NIT...you're basically playing for 121st place].

I see our two FBS slots being worth between $5 and $10 million dollars if you run a discounted cash-flow analysis on future revenues. Proof: UNT and FAU building brand spanking new stadiums; you don't think they see value there?

No, just wanting to be FBS will not be enough going forward; you're going to need to show real value.
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