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WAC Trouble
WAC doesn't have enough FBS programs to move Texas State and UTSA up?

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Bad link for me.
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Sorry. Try it now.
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The WAC can pick up Seattle, Cal State Bakersfield and Utah Valley as non-football members, but that does little to assuage the anxiety of San Jose State & Co., for whom the conference has become, in the words of a former athletic director, a parking lot for schools without options.

Moreover, the WAC needs enough existing FBS schools for its Football Championship Subdivision teams to raise their status. And, so far, that search has apparently deadended.
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(06-14-2011 02:07 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Sorry. Try it now.

Bring it right the first time or don't bring it.

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03-lmfao f*** the WAC, let them die.
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(06-14-2011 05:13 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  03-lmfao f*** the WAC, let them die.

Meh, I'm not laughing. There are a lot of kids, and fans, who will be pretty bummed by their university's ineptitude and simple lack of any good option.
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this is just a stupid thread

there is not a chance in hell that the NCAA has let TxState and UTSA sell their fans for over a year, sign teams to games, and tell the WAC they are moving up much less the WAC saying to move up........only for the NCAA to suddenly say hey you can't move up too bad so sad and the WAC is folding

the NCAA has already handled the matter of the WAC and their status for at least the next several years....if they had wanted the WAC to fold they would not have made the exceptions they have already made.....and if for some reason more exceptions need to be made.....they will be made for at least the next 3 or 4 years

there is no guarantee that any or all of the schools currently in the WAC would drop down to D1-AA and the NCAA has no interest in any more independent teams including BYU and the NCAA has no interest in killing off a conference while there are still conference changes that might happen in the next year or two

and really why would belt fans want the WAC to die.....you finally have a chance in hell of saying you are not the worst D1-A conference......if the WAC dies it will be back to the bottom for you

some should be a lot more concerned about the condition of their own programs VS what the WAC and the WAC teams are doing......a lot of things have happened to the WAC over the years and the WAC bounced back time after time and did some pretty impressive things along the way
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Some fans seem to be in melt down mode on the WAC board.


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(06-14-2011 11:29 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  this is just a stupid thread

there is not a chance in hell that the NCAA has let TxState and UTSA sell their fans for over a year, sign teams to games, and tell the WAC they are moving up much less the WAC saying to move up........only for the NCAA to suddenly say hey you can't move up too bad so sad and the WAC is folding

the NCAA has already handled the matter of the WAC and their status for at least the next several years....if they had wanted the WAC to fold they would not have made the exceptions they have already made.....and if for some reason more exceptions need to be made.....they will be made for at least the next 3 or 4 years

there is no guarantee that any or all of the schools currently in the WAC would drop down to D1-AA and the NCAA has no interest in any more independent teams including BYU and the NCAA has no interest in killing off a conference while there are still conference changes that might happen in the next year or two

and really why would belt fans want the WAC to die.....you finally have a chance in hell of saying you are not the worst D1-A conference......if the WAC dies it will be back to the bottom for you

some should be a lot more concerned about the condition of their own programs VS what the WAC and the WAC teams are doing......a lot of things have happened to the WAC over the years and the WAC bounced back time after time and did some pretty impressive things along the way

Benson doesn't say seem to share your opinion of the NCAA "handling the matter for the next several years". He seems to think it will be very important for the WAC to add an FBS program by 2014.


http://blog.mysanantonio.com/utsa/2011/0...-at-3-p-m/
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(06-14-2011 11:45 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-14-2011 11:29 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  this is just a stupid thread

there is not a chance in hell that the NCAA has let TxState and UTSA sell their fans for over a year, sign teams to games, and tell the WAC they are moving up much less the WAC saying to move up........only for the NCAA to suddenly say hey you can't move up too bad so sad and the WAC is folding

the NCAA has already handled the matter of the WAC and their status for at least the next several years....if they had wanted the WAC to fold they would not have made the exceptions they have already made.....and if for some reason more exceptions need to be made.....they will be made for at least the next 3 or 4 years

there is no guarantee that any or all of the schools currently in the WAC would drop down to D1-AA and the NCAA has no interest in any more independent teams including BYU and the NCAA has no interest in killing off a conference while there are still conference changes that might happen in the next year or two

and really why would belt fans want the WAC to die.....you finally have a chance in hell of saying you are not the worst D1-A conference......if the WAC dies it will be back to the bottom for you

some should be a lot more concerned about the condition of their own programs VS what the WAC and the WAC teams are doing......a lot of things have happened to the WAC over the years and the WAC bounced back time after time and did some pretty impressive things along the way

Benson doesn't say seem to share your opinion of the NCAA "handling the matter for the next several years". He seems to think it will be very important for the WAC to add an FBS program in 2012.


http://blog.mysanantonio.com/utsa/2011/0...-at-3-p-m/

strange....the article I read said he feels the WAC will be fine in 2012 and they want to add a team for 2013 or 2014 and that there is a grace period, but he expects to have everything in place by 2014

I read nothing that states he feels there needs to be a team added by 2012

so just as I said.....the WAC has 3 years until 2014 and probably one or two more if they need it especially if conference shake ups are still going on
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(06-14-2011 11:37 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Some fans seem to be in melt down mode on the WAC board.


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latechfan on the sun belt:

Quote:Good, strong, and Sunbelt should never be used in the same sentence. The biggest problem with the Belt is the JUCO down the road in Monroe. Our donors will roll up our football turf and take it home with them if the chickenhawks ever step foot on our sacred field. North, Lafayette, Monroe, Little Rock, Arky St, South, Troy, Middle, Western, Atlantic, and International don't excite any of our fans any more than playing the WAC schools. We've already proven we were better than those schools and moved onward and upwards. Monroe, Lafayette, and stAte are in the past. We are about moving forward, not moving backward.
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(06-15-2011 04:41 AM)SpaceRaider Wrote:  
(06-14-2011 11:37 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Some fans seem to be in melt down mode on the WAC board.


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latechfan on the sun belt:

Quote:Good, strong, and Sunbelt should never be used in the same sentence. The biggest problem with the Belt is the JUCO down the road in Monroe. Our donors will roll up our football turf and take it home with them if the chickenhawks ever step foot on our sacred field. North, Lafayette, Monroe, Little Rock, Arky St, South, Troy, Middle, Western, Atlantic, and International don't excite any of our fans any more than playing the WAC schools. We've already proven we were better than those schools and moved onward and upwards. Monroe, Lafayette, and stAte are in the past. We are about moving forward, not moving backward.

Added 2 FCS schools already with more on the way . . definitely moving forward . . Go SLAC . . 03-lmfao
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The WAC's remaining five teams -- Utah State, San Jose State, Louisiana Tech, Idaho and New Mexico State -- have played in a total of two bowl games thanks to Louisiana Tech and Idaho. San Jose State last played in a bowl in 2006, Utah State in 1997 and New Mexico State? Well, the Aggies haven't played in a bowl since 1960.

That's why it's difficult to see this league being able to sustain itself without some new blood or an old member making a radical transformation. The WAC does add Texas State and Texas-San Antonio as football members in 2012, but it will take some time for both schools to get used to the level of competition.


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(06-14-2011 11:03 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  
(06-14-2011 05:13 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  03-lmfao f*** the WAC, let them die.

Meh, I'm not laughing. There are a lot of kids, and fans, who will be pretty bummed by their university's ineptitude and simple lack of any good option.

hey this is about money brother. the Sun Belt has gotten the short end of practically every stick thus far. the WAC was an obstacle and now they have swapped spots with us, that is funny.
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The way I read the rules (which isn't always how the NCAA reads the rules).

The WAC is FBS in 2011, 2012, and 2013.

Texas State and Texas San Antonio get to move to FBS as long as they meet criteria because they were invited by the WAC while the WAC met the criteria.

Any school invited by the WAC between now and June 30, 2013 can move to FBS because the WAC is still FBS and will be FBS upon meeting criteria.

The problem for the WAC is if they do not invite a school by that date or the school they invite by that date cannot make the transition in two years. At that point, they lose their seat as an FBS in the Management Council and on the Board of Directors and the BCS (if it still exists) deems the WAC members to be independents and drops them out of revenue share of non-AQ conferences and gives them the same flat share received by BYU, Army, and Navy which is around half of the per team of the lowest rated non-AQ conference.

As to Tech opinions of the Sun Belt, I don't really care what some ignorant rube thinks spouting off on a message board. The facts are brutal.
In the past four years not one of the returning WAC programs has been rated ahead of the best Sun Belt team.
The remaining WAC teams will no longer enjoy the power rating boost given by playing the departing members to help them close that gap.
The remaining WAC members have to contend with the power rating drag that will come from two newcomer programs.

Some people could use a burst of maturity to get past their distaste for ULM to look at the Sun Belt in a realistic matter.

Even being down in basketball, outside of USU, the WAC has nothing to offer that is superior to the Sun Belt and in baseball the addition of Texas State will be insufficient to overcome their losses just solidifying the Sun Belt's clear superiority in the sport. In women's basketball the past few years have demonstrated that the WAC and the Sun Belt are dead even.

Anyone can spout off any superiority line they like, backing it up with facts and figures tends to reveal the arguments for what they are.
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(06-15-2011 10:56 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  The way I read the rules (which isn't always how the NCAA reads the rules).

The WAC is FBS in 2011, 2012, and 2013.

Texas State and Texas San Antonio get to move to FBS as long as they meet criteria because they were invited by the WAC while the WAC met the criteria.

Any school invited by the WAC between now and June 30, 2013 can move to FBS because the WAC is still FBS and will be FBS upon meeting criteria.

The problem for the WAC is if they do not invite a school by that date or the school they invite by that date cannot make the transition in two years. At that point, they lose their seat as an FBS in the Management Council and on the Board of Directors and the BCS (if it still exists) deems the WAC members to be independents and drops them out of revenue share of non-AQ conferences and gives them the same flat share received by BYU, Army, and Navy which is around half of the per team of the lowest rated non-AQ conference.

As to Tech opinions of the Sun Belt, I don't really care what some ignorant rube thinks spouting off on a message board. The facts are brutal.
In the past four years not one of the returning WAC programs has been rated ahead of the best Sun Belt team.
The remaining WAC teams will no longer enjoy the power rating boost given by playing the departing members to help them close that gap.
The remaining WAC members have to contend with the power rating drag that will come from two newcomer programs.

Some people could use a burst of maturity to get past their distaste for ULM to look at the Sun Belt in a realistic matter.

Even being down in basketball, outside of USU, the WAC has nothing to offer that is superior to the Sun Belt and in baseball the addition of Texas State will be insufficient to overcome their losses just solidifying the Sun Belt's clear superiority in the sport. In women's basketball the past few years have demonstrated that the WAC and the Sun Belt are dead even.

Anyone can spout off any superiority line they like, backing it up with facts and figures tends to reveal the arguments for what they are.

Damn man. You are on a role today. +1
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(06-15-2011 10:51 AM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  
(06-14-2011 11:03 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  
(06-14-2011 05:13 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  03-lmfao f*** the WAC, let them die.

Meh, I'm not laughing. There are a lot of kids, and fans, who will be pretty bummed by their university's ineptitude and simple lack of any good option.

hey this is about money brother. the Sun Belt has gotten the short end of practically every stick thus far. the WAC was an obstacle and now they have swapped spots with us, that is funny.

the belt has gotten the short end of nothing....the belt brings next to nothing to the table and for that they get the next to nothing they deserve

horrible fan support, horrible ratings for TV, horrible win loss records, horrible athletics budgets, horrible bowl support, horrible bowl records, and apathetic academic administrations towards athletics

none of that is the fault of the WAC or any other athletics program or conference it is the fault of the belt teams, their fans, and their administrations

and in reality the WAC has not even swapped spots with you yet.....they could just as easily have a team finish with 9 wins or better and a bowl win at the end of the season which would be as good or better than anything the belt has done in recent history

even if the WAC dies they will still have a history, tradition, and record of accomplishment that the belt will probably never match even if the belt stays in the highest level of football for the next 20 years

the reason the WAC keeps having issues is because their teams are wanted by other conferences...
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looks like I touched a nerve with Mr. Todge Rodge. 03-lmfao
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(06-15-2011 11:14 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  even if the WAC dies they will still have a history, tradition, and record of accomplishment that the belt will probably never match even if the belt stays in the highest level of football for the next 20 years

Yes, but dead is still dead.
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