I don't want anyone to be sad because their team got screwed, that sucks. but since things have played out the way they have, it is funny to watch the Tech fanbase sweat. they bolted for a far away Conference with several state schools with good programs because they thought it would help them move beyond the Sun Belt (and then turned their noses up at us). Now, all the teams they wanted to be associated with have moved on and left them alone with a bunch of FCS move-ups. it's funny.

"(situational irony) if the actions taken have an effect exactly opposite from what was intended."

The ones who really got screwed were the west coast members who stayed. I feel bad for those guys.

(06-15-2011 11:24 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(06-15-2011 11:14 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  even if the WAC dies they will still have a history, tradition, and record of accomplishment that the belt will probably never match even if the belt stays in the highest level of football for the next 20 years

Yes, but dead is still dead.

1. the WAC is still not dead yet

2. this year the WAC will return 3 of their top 4 teams so the things those teams do (or don't do) this year will still represent the WAC.....which means that counting the belt as already better than the WAC is premature especially in football

3. there is just as big a chance of not bigger of LA Tech or Idaho stepping up and doing something this year as there is some team from the belt stepping up

4. if Idaho or La Tech can do something this year (or some other bigger surprise team) they would have the same or better chance of carrying that into the next season as any belt team would

this is something the WAC has faced before and something the WAC has come back from and made things happen

in that same time frame the belt has managed to do nothing of any real significance.....the WAC living or dying will not change that one way or the other

if a team or two from the WAC can step up and put together a decent amount of wins even with the weaker schedule in 2012 it is not like a lot of football fans are going to sit around and argue that it was done in a very weak WAC while all those teams with horrible records in the belt did it against "tough established D1-A competition"

it would probably be the opposite story about how the WAC just keeps fighting on

Yes, but according to transcripts from yesterday's meeting, the WAC approached 10-12 FBS/FCS programs about a move and were rejected by all. In this environment, who would want to risk going to the WAC with no dollars coming in? C-USA? sure. MWC? sure. The WAC? uh, no.

Point is, once the WAC starts having Sun Belt type success, the big windfall of money produced by Boise will be a thing of the past. Does a WAC school have a legitimate chance of running the table? probably not, and the chances go down as Fresno, Hawai'i and Nevada leave.

BCS dollars after 2012 will dry-up, t.v. will dry-up and bowl games will dry-up. Meanwhile, the struggles between La Tech and the far west WAC will continue to be exacerbated as members fight over scarcer and scarcer resources.

The writing's on the wall; ignore at your own peril.

(06-15-2011 12:13 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  Yes, but according to transcripts from yesterday's meeting, the WAC approached 10-12 FBS/FCS programs about a move and were rejected by all. In this environment, who would want to risk going to the WAC with no dollars coming in? C-USA? sure. MWC? sure. The WAC? uh, no.

Point is, once the WAC starts having Sun Belt type success, the big windfall of money produced by Boise will be a thing of the past. Does a WAC school have a legitimate chance of running the table? probably not, and the chances go down as Fresno, Hawai'i and Nevada leave.

BCS dollars after 2012 will dry-up, t.v. will dry-up and bowl games will dry-up. Meanwhile, the struggles between La Tech and the far west WAC will continue to be exacerbated as members fight over scarcer and scarcer resources.

The writing's on the wall; ignore at your own peril.

Just walk away...the WAC belongs to Humungus now...Just walk away.

The WAC isn't dead but no one with any sense believes the WAC of today has much in common with the WAC that once had Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, TCU, BYU, Wyoming, Colorado State, Hawaii, Air Force, and even BYU, Fresno, and Nevada.

The WAC has gone from a breeding ground for direct entry to an elite conference to a league that is the breeding ground for a league that has been raided by BCS leagues and does not appear to have any schools prepared to make that next step forward. A year ago the MWC was a near-BCS league, now they have no schools that are on serious radar of such a league and they are raiding the WAC at will.

Yeah a lot of great things happened under the WAC banner but the most senior member of the league has been there since 1996.

The Southern Conference has more history and tradition than the Sun Belt, but guess what? Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, Georgia, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Tennessee, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Florida, LSU, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tulane, Vanderbilt, Maryland, Duke, Wake Forest, West Virginia, and even East Carolina are all gone. Who in the Sun Belt wants to join the Southern?

The Missouri Valley has more history and tradition than the Sun Belt but who other than UALR would really consider all-sports membership there out of the Sun Belt? Iowa, Iowa State, Missouri, Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Tulsa, Houston, Cincinnati, North Texas, Louisville, Memphis, New Mexico State and Butler have all packed up and left.

Heck the Southland even had a pretty good history and tradition in football and basketball. They've made four championship appearances since 1988 and three in four years before their top programs other than McNeese left. When was the last time the SLC got a team out of the round of 64 in the NCAA Tournament? That used to be something well within the league's reach.

Just because you stick a Jaguar hood ornament on a Ford Taurus doesn't mean that Taurus is a Jaguar as the public considers Jaguars.

(06-15-2011 12:36 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The WAC isn't dead but no one with any sense believes the WAC of today has much in common with the WAC that once had Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, TCU, BYU, Wyoming, Colorado State, Hawaii, Air Force, and even BYU, Fresno, and Nevada.

The WAC has gone from a breeding ground for direct entry to an elite conference to a league that is the breeding ground for a league that has been raided by BCS leagues and does not appear to have any schools prepared to make that next step forward. A year ago the MWC was a near-BCS league, now they have no schools that are on serious radar of such a league and they are raiding the WAC at will.

Yeah a lot of great things happened under the WAC banner but the most senior member of the league has been there since 1996.

The Southern Conference has more history and tradition than the Sun Belt, but guess what? Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, Georgia, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Tennessee, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Florida, LSU, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tulane, Vanderbilt, Maryland, Duke, Wake Forest, West Virginia, and even East Carolina are all gone. Who in the Sun Belt wants to join the Southern?

The Missouri Valley has more history and tradition than the Sun Belt but who other than UALR would really consider all-sports membership there out of the Sun Belt? Iowa, Iowa State, Missouri, Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Tulsa, Houston, Cincinnati, North Texas, Louisville, Memphis, New Mexico State and Butler have all packed up and left.

Heck the Southland even had a pretty good history and tradition in football and basketball. They've made four championship appearances since 1988 and three in four years before their top programs other than McNeese left. When was the last time the SLC got a team out of the round of 64 in the NCAA Tournament? That used to be something well within the league's reach.

Just because you stick a Jaguar hood ornament on a Ford Taurus doesn't mean that Taurus is a Jaguar as the public considers Jaguars.

And boom goes the dynamite.

(06-15-2011 12:36 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Yeah a lot of great things happened under the WAC banner but the most senior member of the league has been there since 1996.

Who's that?

(06-15-2011 12:49 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(06-15-2011 12:36 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Yeah a lot of great things happened under the WAC banner but the most senior member of the league has been there since 1996.

Who's that?

San Jose State

(06-15-2011 11:37 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  this is something the WAC has faced before and something the WAC has come back from and made things happen

The WAC survived losing Arizona and Arizona State by BYU winning the national title. Even with massive winning streaks Boise never quite got over that hump and over the course of time its bowl options have slid from Fiesta, to Holiday, to "Hey you can ski while you are there"

Boise had to win 40 games over 4 years to make it into a final poll. They then had to win 46 over the four years to crack the BCS.

It takes years to be an overnight success and in the case of the WAC, their slate is wiped clean and they are left with a school that still hasn't played one down of football, one school that has posted five winning seasons in the past 25 years of FCS football, one that has posted three seasons above .500 in 14 years of FBS and five one or two win seasons, one that has posted four seasons of .500 or better in a decade in the WAC, one that has posted 8 consecutive sub .500 seasons and broken .500 only three times in three decades. Another that has hit or broken .500 three times in 15 years, and another that hasn't hit .500 in the past 13 seasons.

(06-15-2011 12:52 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  It takes years to be an overnight success and in the case of the WAC, their slate is wiped clean and they are left with a school that still hasn't played one down of football, one school that has posted five winning seasons in the past 25 years of FCS football, one that has posted three seasons above .500 in 14 years of FBS and five one or two win seasons, one that has posted four seasons of .500 or better in a decade in the WAC, one that has posted 8 consecutive sub .500 seasons and broken .500 only three times in three decades. Another that has hit or broken .500 three times in 15 years, and another that hasn't hit .500 in the past 13 seasons.

sounds like the SunBelt - Troy

The WAC will continue to struggle and eventually break up and desolve. Too bad for a once great conference to dwindle to dust. Hopefully the future will be brighter for the Sun Belt.

(06-15-2011 12:27 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  

(06-15-2011 12:13 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  Yes, but according to transcripts from yesterday's meeting, the WAC approached 10-12 FBS/FCS programs about a move and were rejected by all. In this environment, who would want to risk going to the WAC with no dollars coming in? C-USA? sure. MWC? sure. The WAC? uh, no.

Point is, once the WAC starts having Sun Belt type success, the big windfall of money produced by Boise will be a thing of the past. Does a WAC school have a legitimate chance of running the table? probably not, and the chances go down as Fresno, Hawai'i and Nevada leave.

BCS dollars after 2012 will dry-up, t.v. will dry-up and bowl games will dry-up. Meanwhile, the struggles between La Tech and the far west WAC will continue to be exacerbated as members fight over scarcer and scarcer resources.

The writing's on the wall; ignore at your own peril.

Just walk away...the WAC belongs to Humungus now...Just walk away.

lol!

Not to highjack this topic, but what ever happened to Humungus? He was my favorite wrestler when I was a kid.

(06-15-2011 02:31 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  The WAC will continue to struggle and eventually break up and desolve. Too bad for a once great conference to dwindle to dust. Hopefully the future will be brighter for the Sun Belt.

I don't think any of the current 11 FBS-level football conferences -- including the WAC and the Sun Belt or the other non-"AQ" leagues -- will formally dissolve any time soon. They may shrivel up to almost-nothing in terms of media-exposure, fan-interest, and on-the-field competitiveness, but they will still technically exist.

(06-15-2011 03:05 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  lol!

Not to highjack this topic, but what ever happened to Humungus? He was my favorite wrestler when I was a kid.

He Fathered Ex FAU quarterback Jeff Van Camp. No lie.