It seems like everyone was telling Oliver Luck to shut the hell up the other day, and now I see some of those same people praising Jurich. Interesting...

(06-01-2011 01:03 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  It is what Jurich said publicly. It is what it is. I was told Jurich wants 12 teams. So I guess adding Nova is the only way the BB schools will let us go to 12.

I have had this thought as well. Pitt/WVU/RU would accept Nova if two schools more to their liking came in the package. Vote Nova in, and the conference locks down at 10 FB schools.

(06-01-2011 05:50 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(06-01-2011 01:03 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  It is what Jurich said publicly. It is what it is. I was told Jurich wants 12 teams. So I guess adding Nova is the only way the BB schools will let us go to 12.

I have had this thought as well. Pitt/WVU/RU would accept Nova if two schools more to their liking came in the package. Vote Nova in, and the conference locks down at 10 FB schools.

This is exactly why the Bb and Fb don't need to be together. This type of compromise is not worth it.
We got three slots left. It needs to be three teams that actually work for us. Nova has done nothing to be worthy of a move up. Let them invest $50 million which is half of what UCONN did and far less than what UCF has spent on facilities.

(06-01-2011 06:03 PM)frogman Wrote:  Nova has done nothing to be worthy of a move up. Let them invest $50 million which is half of what UCONN did and far less than what UCF has spent on facilities.

The University of Connecticut did not "invest" that money--the state of Connecticut did.

(06-01-2011 06:31 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(06-01-2011 06:03 PM)frogman Wrote:  Nova has done nothing to be worthy of a move up. Let them invest $50 million which is half of what UCONN did and far less than what UCF has spent on facilities.

The University of Connecticut did not invest that $50 million--the state of Connecticut did.

Actually the state invested $94 million in the UCONN facilities. SInce Nova is private they won't be getting any help from the state. I'm just suggesting that NOVA come up with half of what UCONN came up with.

Nova wants the big payout without no investment on the front end. The soccer field expansion is not even guaranteed because the field is just the right size for soccer. But should it expand to 15,000 it would have to sell out every game in order fo Nova to meet minimum ncaa requirements. UCF already draws 38,000 per game.

frog
With all fairness, Nova is the one basketball school that has brought a lot to the league and its obvious that if they have some supportfor moving up is because of what they bring to the league in basketball. None of the possible additions can even come close to what Nova brings in basketball.

(06-01-2011 05:39 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  It seems like everyone was telling Oliver Luck to shut the hell up the other day, and now I see some of those same people praising Jurich. Interesting...

Bit,

I admit I've been critical of Luck because he's provided direct quotes about expansion in defiance of the Big East's directive not to do so. I've also been critical of Wilkie for making giant leaps between what's quoted and what he wants to infer. This article is no different. Read the Jurich quotes:

Quote:“It could change in a half-hour, but right now I feel good,” (Jurich) said. “... In 12 short months the whole world has changed. And I think being able to add TCU has really helped us, not just in football but other sports — baseball, track and field, golf — and they give you another huge market. And coming off a Rose Bowl, it helps you from a visibility standpoint.”

Quote:“They're already in the footprint of our league, and they've got a history with this league and done a lot of great things,” Jurich said. “For them, a lot of it is going to be logistics. ... Villanova is a strong program right now. There's a strong argument that they could finish in the middle of our league right now, at 63 scholarships.”

Quote:“I think nine is a good number if you have the right people, and I think we do,” he said. “It balances your scheduling.”

Certainly nothing about how he's pushing for 12 or what C-USA candidates we're considering (which is what Wilkie inferred). Nothing about what markets teh Big East needs to add or about USF's scheduling (which is what Luck has done, as I've amply discussed). In other words, nothing to warrant a STFU from other fans.

To be honest, it's been pretty well pointed out by now that the scenarios for expansion involve either candidates that will convince at least four non-football schools to vote yes, football-only candidates or a split, but there's an infinite number of people/posters who want to shout about expansion candidates without regard for any of that. Now that the offseason's effectively here, I think I need to take a sanity break and wait until something actually happens. There's thousands of people talking but nobody listening...

USFFan

(06-01-2011 05:39 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  It seems like everyone was telling Oliver Luck to shut the hell up the other day, and now I see some of those same people praising Jurich. Interesting...

Good pt!

(06-01-2011 04:46 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(06-01-2011 12:10 PM)Lloyd64 Wrote:  Wilkie,
You must have posted the wrong link. No where in the article did I see UofL, via Jurich, say anything about ECU, Houston and UCF. I was disappointed that he mentioned Villanova.

No, Wilkie is just hellbent on 12 teams, and will twist anything to make that happen. :domokun:

Seriously, it does not say that Jurich wants 12, and even privately, it has been said that Jurich feels much the same way, that he is not in favor of more than ten schools, for many of the same reasons that many
of us on here have pointed out: it's not economically sound. Unless a prospective broadcast partner tells the Big East that they will pay them more money per team with 12 teams (don't see it),
you will not likely see more than 10 teams in the Big East anytime soon.

Exactly....That is what I have been trying to tell all the fans of CUSA teams (ECU included) on the expansion board. All of them seem to think the Big East going to 12 is a done deal. There is even one
guy on there who is a Houston fan that says for a fact that he knows the Big East is going to add Houston, SMU, and UCF. They are all over there fighting about markets and TV ratings.....Just nonsense. To me 9 makes the most sense from a logistical and financial standpoint on the football side. But even if the Big East decides to expand to 12 I just do not see how financially taking 3 CUSA teams will work....Oh well just another year of speculation..

I think you all are jumping of TJ for no reason. He plainly says in the article that he does support Nova, however they have a big logisitical problem and things hinge on that. Isn't that what most people's problem is with them? They don't have a stadium to play in and they may not have the finances to make a good move forward? If Nova had a 45,000 seat stadium and a wad of money to invest in the program, most everyone on this board would be happy to have them in the BEast. I support Nova, in as much as they are already a BEast member and I would love for them to have the ability to make the move. But they are not prepared to do so. Oh yeah, and they have no fan base.

(06-02-2011 12:46 AM)army56mike Wrote:  I think you all are jumping of TJ for no reason. He plainly says in the article that he does support Nova, however they have a big logisitical problem and things hinge on that. Isn't that what most people's problem is with them? They don't have a stadium to play in and they may not have the finances to make a good move forward? If Nova had a 45,000 seat stadium and a wad of money to invest in the program, most everyone on this board would be happy to have them in the BEast. I support Nova, in as much as they are already a BEast member and I would love for them to have the ability to make the move. But they are not prepared to do so. Oh yeah, and they have no fan base.

And they have too small a student body to raise big money or build a fan base. Nova has 6,394 undergraduates. BB attendance is 10,511. WVU BB attendance is 11,529. BE average is 11,323. Nova Fb attendance 8,573.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/bdf2...c110a6426c

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_r...e/2010.pdf

I believe the BE has to develop the northeast but I just dont see where Nova gets the numbers up for FB when their BB is great but attendance is still below the BE average. But what dsturbs me the most about NOVA is the self analysis before accepting the BE FB offer.
I think they first needed to look at what others have done to move up (UCONN) and look to see if they have the resources to at least come close and give an honest answer. They're planning to reach the minimum 15,000 requirement- that's their goal in expansion of the soccer stadium.

They either don't take FB seriously or they are retards. The Be needs to look towards averaging 50,000 per game (about the half the B10 average). Even SYR will need a bigger stadium- the dome it too small. Nova just wants to keep up with the Jones but they are what they are, a small school, one of five in a very big pro sports city.

Nova is just a giant step in the wrong direction. Who invites a school with less than 8,500 Fb fans to a BCS conference. Yes they got some supporters in the BE. But sometimes your supporters can be just as crazy as you are. Bin laden had supporters too you know.

WVU's basketball attendance has been rising steadily under Huggins. Expect that trend to continue as long as he's in Morgantown...

(06-02-2011 08:25 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  WVU's basketball attendance has been rising steadily under Huggins. Expect that trend to continue as long as he's in Morgantown...

Winning the BET and making the FF has to help also.

Yes. It helped last year. But if you look at the trends in attendance at WVU over Huggins time in Morgantown, you'll see the trend clearly. It's been a steady rise, and as soon as the new practice facility is completed WVU is planning improvements for the Coliseum (luxury boxes, improved and expanded restrooms, concessions, ect)...

All of that has to occur before any expansion of Milan Puskar Stadium takes place...

(06-02-2011 08:25 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  WVU's basketball attendance has been rising steadily under Huggins. Expect that trend to continue as long as he's in Morgantown...

Same thing with the cummulative BAC of the team

I do not agree with Jurich on Villanova. However, I was told that to get to 12 in football, Nova has to be allowed to move up. So maybe Jurich is in support of the 12/20, while Pitt, WVA, and Rutgers want to split. Who knows?

(06-02-2011 09:03 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  

(06-02-2011 08:25 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  WVU's basketball attendance has been rising steadily under Huggins. Expect that trend to continue as long as he's in Morgantown...

Same thing with the cummulative BAC of the team

You must remember, I'm old. What's cummulative BAC?

Blood
Alcohol
Content

Ah. They've gone acronym since I quit drinking in 1985...

(06-02-2011 08:59 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Yes. It helped last year. But if you look at the trends in attendance at WVU over Huggins time in Morgantown, you'll see the trend clearly. It's been a steady rise,

Huggy Bear was the one coach UofL fans always loved to hate. We didn't actually hate him, you just loved to hate him. Compare to John Calipari who we just hate dating back to his Memphis days. Actually during time outs or before games, you would see Huggins talking to our fans, some of whom he had gotten to know by name over the course of the years. Glad to see him back on the schedule, albeit it was more fun when he was at Cincy.