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RE: A New Direction?
(04-29-2011 04:40 PM)Hemi Man Wrote:  "We signed some amazing talent, some guys we feel fit our program," Hudspeth said. "We recently signed the number one running back in the nation, Qyen Griffin. He's a great one. The reason we got him is because nobody thought he was going to be eligible. Oklahoma, Ole Miss and Alabama backed off because they felt he wasn't going to make it. We stuck with him and found a way and he just popped a 25 on his ACT."

http://www.dailyworld.com/article/201104.../104280325


You are welcome for my interest Z

Kind of sounds like what takes place with Troy's APR waivers, maybe we can get a few more just like him and not have to worry about the kid graduating.04-rock
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RE: A New Direction?
(04-29-2011 04:51 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(04-29-2011 04:47 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  wow, pretty impressive that a kid no one thought would qualify scored that high on his ACT. Either its a miracle, or there is more to the story.

How long's it been since he took the last one? I mean if it's been a year and a half, maybe there's been some maturity. If it's been six months, then it's a little iffy, because 25 is a solid score if I remember correctly.

He never took it, it was his first test. His problem is with his core GPA.
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RE: A New Direction?
(04-30-2011 11:24 AM)CajunFan89 Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 11:19 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 09:19 AM)zeebart21 Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 07:55 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 06:38 AM)zeebart21 Wrote:  He was a Rivals All American, son. He was rated one of the top 5 in the Nation. Funny thing is we also signed the #2 fullback in the nation after he decommitted from Kentucky. Either way, your guys will have numerous cleat marks running up and down their sses by UL running backs for years to come.

Do some research before making a silly ssed remark.

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The kid is a 2 star unranked player on Scout...that is my research. Rivals passes out stars and rating like candy. Please see the link below.

http://louisiana.scout.com/a.z?s=345&p=9&c=8&yr=2011

Friend of ULM, dig a bit deeper. He was a Rivals All American. I dont give a *&%$& whether he was 1 star or 47 stars. The kid was rated in some circles as one of the best at his position.

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http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1165406

I'm gonna play devil's advocate for a second, Z. First I'll say this kid probably is a very good player. Him and a top rated fullback will be trouble for everyone, much more than than all the blabbering about what your coach is going to do, when he hasn't done anything yet. So if you're gonna brag about something, this would be where to do it.

On to me playing devil's advocate and play the "other side." He only has two stars on rivals. Why? Is it possible this list wasn't an official rivals all american team, or that this was more of the opinion of one senior analyst with very little though put into this? He has a few more two and three star rivals guys on his list. Maybe the regular part of rivals didn't think he was as good. In fact, he doesn't even have a rivals profile, only a scout profile, where he is also a two star.

Again, he probably is a very good player, but lets wait and see. I'm not ready to call him a high school all american based on what one senior analyst wrote on rivals.com.

The reason he was only rated a 2* in rivals is due to the fact that he played on the defensive side of the ball up until his senior year I believe. Also, he does have a rivals profile under his full name Qyendarius Griffin as a 3* RB

Ah, ok. When I clicked through the first time an error page came up. regardless if he's an all-american whatever, this is impressive:

"ran for 2,670 yards and 39 touchdowns despite playing mostly in just the first half."

Makes me think of Troy's Corey Robinson.
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RE: A New Direction?
(04-29-2011 10:28 PM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  Nice get...the story us a tad over-exaggerated, but good get. He may have been the #1 RB in Mississippi, but the nation...nah...

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something about a blind squirrel and a nut. . .

No big deal. He met the benchmarks, whether it be for luck or merit, it doesn't matter. If he can't make grades in college, he won't play.
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(04-30-2011 11:33 AM)CajunT Wrote:  
(04-29-2011 04:40 PM)Hemi Man Wrote:  "We signed some amazing talent, some guys we feel fit our program," Hudspeth said. "We recently signed the number one running back in the nation, Qyen Griffin. He's a great one. The reason we got him is because nobody thought he was going to be eligible. Oklahoma, Ole Miss and Alabama backed off because they felt he wasn't going to make it. We stuck with him and found a way and he just popped a 25 on his ACT."

http://www.dailyworld.com/article/201104.../104280325


You are welcome for my interest Z

Kind of sounds like what takes place with Troy's APR waivers, maybe we can get a few more just like him and not have to worry about the kid graduating.04-rock

I won't hate T, this is a good get. Lets see where it goes. I won't get into the APR nonsense, because that will completely derail this thread, and it's been proven to be of little to no value to Troy over and over again, right here on this board. But I know you're game and what you're trying to do, T. You live for getting under Hemi's skin.
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RE: A New Direction?
(04-30-2011 11:38 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 11:33 AM)CajunT Wrote:  
(04-29-2011 04:40 PM)Hemi Man Wrote:  "We signed some amazing talent, some guys we feel fit our program," Hudspeth said. "We recently signed the number one running back in the nation, Qyen Griffin. He's a great one. The reason we got him is because nobody thought he was going to be eligible. Oklahoma, Ole Miss and Alabama backed off because they felt he wasn't going to make it. We stuck with him and found a way and he just popped a 25 on his ACT."

http://www.dailyworld.com/article/201104.../104280325


You are welcome for my interest Z

Kind of sounds like what takes place with Troy's APR waivers, maybe we can get a few more just like him and not have to worry about the kid graduating.04-rock

I won't hate T, this is a good get. Lets see where it goes. I won't get into the APR nonsense, because that will completely derail this thread, and it's been proven to be of little to no value to Troy over and over again, right here on this board. But I know you're game and what you're trying to do, T. You live for getting under Hemi's skin.

I don't think it has been proven it was not been an advantage for Troy. The only way to prove it either way, is for the NCAA to release the annual numbers following APR athletes, they have refused to do so upon request.

Anytime you can get an athlete with questionable academics into college and not be held accountable for graduating him, it is an advantage over every other program in your conference that was not given the same waiver. The question remains how much of an advantage? But there is no question that is was if only 10 athletes were exempt over four years.
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ULL...king of the "my poop don't stink" arguments. 01-wingedeagle
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(04-30-2011 06:40 AM)zeebart21 Wrote:  
(04-29-2011 04:42 PM)CajunFan89 Wrote:  it will be interesting to see where this thread leads to

I don't see a problem. Kid never took the ACT before. He banged out a 25. If the NCAA flags it, so be it.

If he doesnt play this year, he will next year.

Z

Z,

Help me understand this here. The guy never took the ACT before? Wouldn't he have to have taken either ACT or SAT in order to go through the NCAA Clearinghouse for college eligibility?
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(04-30-2011 12:08 PM)troyw Wrote:  ULL...king of the "my poop don't stink" arguments. 01-wingedeagle

And yet we have the university of Pheonix @Troy talking smack about academics.03-nutkick03-lmfao
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(04-30-2011 11:33 AM)CajunT Wrote:  
(04-29-2011 04:40 PM)Hemi Man Wrote:  "We signed some amazing talent, some guys we feel fit our program," Hudspeth said......

Kind of sounds like what takes place with Troy's APR waivers, maybe we can get a few more just like him and not have to worry about the kid graduating.04-rock

If you want to start re-issuing mis-information, I'll be happy to explain it all to you, but the waivers received by Troy had nothing to do with scores by student athletes and their academic performance.

The waivers were requested and approved because when APR reporting began, the reach-back years went into the two years when Troy was still in transition from FCS, and we did not have the full number of athletes under scholarship at that time.

If you attribute it to anything else, that would be incorrect.
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(04-30-2011 12:11 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 12:08 PM)troyw Wrote:  ULL...king of the "my poop don't stink" arguments. 01-wingedeagle

And yet we have the university of Pheonix @Troy talking smack about academics.03-nutkick03-lmfao

Your athletes and Troy's athletes are measured on the same scale set forth by the NCAA. Admission requirements for the general population are different from those for student athletes, and every athletic department uses the same scale for determining eligibility for incoming freshmen.

Now your school may prohibit the athletic department from admitting an athlete who doesn't meet the admission requirements of the general population, but I'm unaware of any that actually do that outside of the maybe the Ivy League and a few other select private institutions.

PS: Just looked at the admission requirements for incoming freshmen at UL, and it appears the ACT requirement is currently the same as for Troy, however, this Fall, the requirement for Troy will be more stringent. The minimum ACT score goes up to 20.

So 03-nutkick03-lmfao back at ya!
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(04-30-2011 12:21 PM)Troy87 Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 12:11 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 12:08 PM)troyw Wrote:  ULL...king of the "my poop don't stink" arguments. 01-wingedeagle

And yet we have the university of Pheonix @Troy talking smack about academics.03-nutkick03-lmfao

Your athletes and Troy's athletes are measured on the same scale set forth by the NCAA. Admission requirements for the general population are different from those for student athletes, and every athletic department uses the same scale for determining eligibility for incoming freshmen.

Now your school may prohibit the athletic department from admitting an athlete who doesn't meet the admission requirements of the general population, but I'm unaware of any that actually do that outside of the maybe the Ivy League and a few other select private institutions.

PS: Just looked at the admission requirements for incoming freshmen at UL, and it appears the ACT requirement is currently the same as for Troy, however, this Fall, the requirement for Troy will be more stringent. The minimum ACT score goes up to 20.

For those who don't know, WKU, USA, TROY, ASU, and ULM all share the same same entrance requirements. You can find this information on their repsective websites. Even though Troy gets the bulk of the hate, half the sunbelt has the same requirements for entry.
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RE: A New Direction?
(04-30-2011 12:21 PM)Troy87 Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 12:11 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 12:08 PM)troyw Wrote:  ULL...king of the "my poop don't stink" arguments. 01-wingedeagle

And yet we have the university of Pheonix @Troy talking smack about academics.03-nutkick03-lmfao

Your athletes and Troy's athletes are measured on the same scale set forth by the NCAA. Admission requirements for the general population are different from those for student athletes, and every athletic department uses the same scale for determining eligibility for incoming freshmen.

Now your school may prohibit the athletic department from admitting an athlete who doesn't meet the admission requirements of the general population, but I'm unaware of any that actually do that outside of the maybe the Ivy League and a few other select private institutions.

PS: Just looked at the admission requirements for incoming freshmen at UL, and it appears the ACT requirement is currently the same as for Troy, however, this Fall, the requirement for Troy will be more stringent. The minimum ACT score goes up to 20.

So 03-nutkick03-lmfao back at ya!

UL has moved to selective admissions, 23 ACT is required. You might want to contact UL and get your facts straight. Glad Troy is moving to a 20! Right back at you.03-nutkick
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RE: A New Direction?
(04-30-2011 12:21 PM)Troy87 Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 12:11 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 12:08 PM)troyw Wrote:  ULL...king of the "my poop don't stink" arguments. 01-wingedeagle

And yet we have the university of Pheonix @Troy talking smack about academics.03-nutkick03-lmfao

Your athletes and Troy's athletes are measured on the same scale set forth by the NCAA. Admission requirements for the general population are different from those for student athletes, and every athletic department uses the same scale for determining eligibility for incoming freshmen.

Now your school may prohibit the athletic department from admitting an athlete who doesn't meet the admission requirements of the general population, but I'm unaware of any that actually do that outside of the maybe the Ivy League and a few other select private institutions.

PS: Just looked at the admission requirements for incoming freshmen at UL, and it appears the ACT requirement is currently the same as for Troy, however, this Fall, the requirement for Troy will be more stringent. The minimum ACT score goes up to 20.

So 03-nutkick03-lmfao back at ya!

As per U.S.News UL is a Tier II and Troy is a Regional University on par with ULM. That is nothing to be proud of son.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...yette-2031

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...rsity-1047
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(04-30-2011 12:52 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 12:21 PM)Troy87 Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 12:11 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 12:08 PM)troyw Wrote:  ULL...king of the "my poop don't stink" arguments. 01-wingedeagle

And yet we have the university of Pheonix @Troy talking smack about academics.03-nutkick03-lmfao

Your athletes and Troy's athletes are measured on the same scale set forth by the NCAA. Admission requirements for the general population are different from those for student athletes, and every athletic department uses the same scale for determining eligibility for incoming freshmen.

Now your school may prohibit the athletic department from admitting an athlete who doesn't meet the admission requirements of the general population, but I'm unaware of any that actually do that outside of the maybe the Ivy League and a few other select private institutions.

PS: Just looked at the admission requirements for incoming freshmen at UL, and it appears the ACT requirement is currently the same as for Troy, however, this Fall, the requirement for Troy will be more stringent. The minimum ACT score goes up to 20.

So 03-nutkick03-lmfao back at ya!

As per U.S.News UL is a Tier II and Troy is a Regional University on par with ULM. That is nothing to be proud of son.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...yette-2031

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...rsity-1047

That link is for the University of Louisiana-Lafayette...there is no mention of UL anywhere.
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(04-30-2011 12:39 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 12:21 PM)Troy87 Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 12:11 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 12:08 PM)troyw Wrote:  ULL...king of the "my poop don't stink" arguments. 01-wingedeagle

And yet we have the university of Pheonix @Troy talking smack about academics.03-nutkick03-lmfao

Your athletes and Troy's athletes are measured on the same scale set forth by the NCAA. Admission requirements for the general population are different from those for student athletes, and every athletic department uses the same scale for determining eligibility for incoming freshmen.

Now your school may prohibit the athletic department from admitting an athlete who doesn't meet the admission requirements of the general population, but I'm unaware of any that actually do that outside of the maybe the Ivy League and a few other select private institutions.

PS: Just looked at the admission requirements for incoming freshmen at UL, and it appears the ACT requirement is currently the same as for Troy, however, this Fall, the requirement for Troy will be more stringent. The minimum ACT score goes up to 20.

So 03-nutkick03-lmfao back at ya!

UL has moved to selective admissions, 23 ACT is required. You might want to contact UL and get your facts straight. Glad Troy is moving to a 20! Right back at you.03-nutkick

You sure that an ACT of 23 is the only requirement? Visit ull.edu and read the requirements again. An applicant can get by with an ACT score of 19 (math) or 18 english with a GPA of at least 2.60. ULL is accepting lower ACT scores.
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(04-30-2011 12:52 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 12:21 PM)Troy87 Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 12:11 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 12:08 PM)troyw Wrote:  ULL...king of the "my poop don't stink" arguments. 01-wingedeagle

And yet we have the university of Pheonix @Troy talking smack about academics.03-nutkick03-lmfao

Your athletes and Troy's athletes are measured on the same scale set forth by the NCAA. Admission requirements for the general population are different from those for student athletes, and every athletic department uses the same scale for determining eligibility for incoming freshmen.

Now your school may prohibit the athletic department from admitting an athlete who doesn't meet the admission requirements of the general population, but I'm unaware of any that actually do that outside of the maybe the Ivy League and a few other select private institutions.

PS: Just looked at the admission requirements for incoming freshmen at UL, and it appears the ACT requirement is currently the same as for Troy, however, this Fall, the requirement for Troy will be more stringent. The minimum ACT score goes up to 20.

So 03-nutkick03-lmfao back at ya!

As per U.S.News UL is a Tier II and Troy is a Regional University on par with ULM. That is nothing to be proud of son.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...yette-2031

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...rsity-1047

ULL has a higher acceptance rate and a lower graduation rate than Troy....congrats!
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(04-30-2011 12:52 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 12:21 PM)Troy87 Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 12:11 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 12:08 PM)troyw Wrote:  ULL...king of the "my poop don't stink" arguments. 01-wingedeagle

And yet we have the university of Pheonix @Troy talking smack about academics.03-nutkick03-lmfao

Your athletes and Troy's athletes are measured on the same scale set forth by the NCAA. Admission requirements for the general population are different from those for student athletes, and every athletic department uses the same scale for determining eligibility for incoming freshmen.

Now your school may prohibit the athletic department from admitting an athlete who doesn't meet the admission requirements of the general population, but I'm unaware of any that actually do that outside of the maybe the Ivy League and a few other select private institutions.

PS: Just looked at the admission requirements for incoming freshmen at UL, and it appears the ACT requirement is currently the same as for Troy, however, this Fall, the requirement for Troy will be more stringent. The minimum ACT score goes up to 20.

So 03-nutkick03-lmfao back at ya!

As per U.S.News UL is a Tier II and Troy is a Regional University on par with ULM. That is nothing to be proud of son.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...yette-2031

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...rsity-1047

UL Admission Requirements in Fall 2012

In-State Freshman Guaranteed Admission Criteria – Effective Fall 2012

In-state students applying for freshman admission must meet ONE of the following requirements for admission:
Have a core grade point average of 2.5 on a 4.0 scale OR
Have a ACT composite score of 23 or 1050 SAT Critical Reading+Math (CR+M)

By the way, this doesn't change your current admissions requirements for over a year, which are still the same as Troy's, and all the others mentioned before. So this fall, Troy's admission requirements will be higher than UL, then next fall, UL will have higher admission requirements, so it becomes an arms race of sorts.

But I digress.......this isn't about the general population admission requirements, is it?

This is about eligibility of incoming freshmen athletes, which is the same for everyone.

Eligibility Scale

GPA-------------------SAT-------ACT Index

3.55 and above--------400-----------37
3.5-------------------420-----------39
3.25------------------520-----------46
3.0-------------------620-----------52
2.75------------------720-----------59
2.5-------------------820-----------68
2.25------------------920-----------77
2.0------------------1010-----------86

To get the ACT Index score, try this website

http://highered.colorado.gov/Academics/A...ndexScore/

Insert the GPA and the score on the ACT, and the result will be the ACT Index score.

As an example, say Johhny has a 2.5 GPA and scores a 19 on his ACT. His index score is 83, so he's clearly qualifies.
What if instead of a 2.5, he has a 2.0, but still scores a 19 on the ACT. His index score is now a 74, so now he does not qualify.

This is used by every athletic department in the country to determine eligibility.
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RE: A New Direction?
(04-30-2011 12:52 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 12:21 PM)Troy87 Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 12:11 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(04-30-2011 12:08 PM)troyw Wrote:  ULL...king of the "my poop don't stink" arguments. 01-wingedeagle

And yet we have the university of Pheonix @Troy talking smack about academics.03-nutkick03-lmfao

Your athletes and Troy's athletes are measured on the same scale set forth by the NCAA. Admission requirements for the general population are different from those for student athletes, and every athletic department uses the same scale for determining eligibility for incoming freshmen.

Now your school may prohibit the athletic department from admitting an athlete who doesn't meet the admission requirements of the general population, but I'm unaware of any that actually do that outside of the maybe the Ivy League and a few other select private institutions.

PS: Just looked at the admission requirements for incoming freshmen at UL, and it appears the ACT requirement is currently the same as for Troy, however, this Fall, the requirement for Troy will be more stringent. The minimum ACT score goes up to 20.

So 03-nutkick03-lmfao back at ya!

As per U.S.News UL is a Tier II and Troy is a Regional University on par with ULM. That is nothing to be proud of son.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...yette-2031

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...rsity-1047

I say it again, if you dog on troy academics, you're also dogging half the sunbelt's academics. Troy just gets all the flack because we win football games. There's nothing a hater hates more than a winner.
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