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Sun Belt non Conference Schedule
My take on Sun Belt football next year:

16-20 .444 maybe even better.

Arkansas State
L at Illinois
W Memphis
L at Virginia Tech
W Central Arkansas

Florida Atlantic
L at Florida
L at Michigan State
L at Auburn
W UAB

Florida International
L at Louisville (U of L)
W Central Florida
W Duke
W at Akron

Middle Tennessee
L at Purdue
L Georgia Tech
W Memphis
L at Tennessee

Louisiana (UL)
L at Oklahoma State
W at Kent State
W Nicholls State
L at Arizona

North Texas
W Houston
L at Alabama
W Indiana
L at Tulsa

Troy
L at Clemson
L at Arkansas
W UAB
W at Navy

Western Kentucky
L at Kentucky
W Navy
W Indiana State
L at LSU

UL Monroe
L at Florida State
W Grambling
L at TCU
L at Iowa
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I like your thinking, but I think you're overestimating N. Tx. this year and underestimating Navy.

I know Houston is coming to Denton this year, but they will have Case Keenum back for his 6th year. I think it will require a herculean effort for N. Tx. to have a new coach against a high powered Houston team and come away with a win, even though they will be up for the christening of their new stadium.

Navy is going to be tough, and even though WKU made great strides last season, I'm not convinced they can stop the pounding Navy will try to lay on Western by running over and over and over again. I'm not even sure Troy can go to Annapolis and come away with a win. Almost everyone in the Sunbelt is now a "Spread" team, and because we don't see the wishbone in practice, or have the personnel on the practice squads to smimulate the bone, it's a tough offense to adjust to for just one week.

Most everything else looks plausible, with the possible exception of FIU beating UCF. UCF is getting to be a force in Central Florida, and for that reason, they are a strong contender to be grabbed by the Big East. I would love to see some balance in the Florida mid-major wars, but right now UCF is pretty strong and FIU and FAU are a little more than just one step behind.

And one other one which I think is a toss up is Troy at Clemson. The only reason I say this, is Clemson has a lot of replacements on the offensive side of the ball, and that's always the side that has the roughest outing in the first game of the season. Troy on the other hand should be picking up almost where we left off at the New Orleans Bowl on offense, and the defense WILL be much improved. So for Troy, I'd give us a better chance at upsetting Clemson, than Navy.
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(03-04-2011 05:19 PM)Troy87 Wrote:  I like your thinking, but I think you're overestimating N. Tx. this year and underestimating Navy.

I know Houston is coming to Denton this year, but they will have Case Keenum back for his 6th year. I think it will require a herculean effort for N. Tx. to have a new coach against a high powered Houston team and come away with a win, even though they will be up for the christening of their new stadium.

Navy is going to be tough, and even though WKU made great strides last season, I'm not convinced they can stop the pounding Navy will try to lay on Western by running over and over and over again. I'm not even sure Troy can go to Annapolis and come away with a win. Almost everyone in the Sunbelt is now a "Spread" team, and because we don't see the wishbone in practice, or have the personnel on the practice squads to smimulate the bone, it's a tough offense to adjust to for just one week.

Most everything else looks plausible, with the possible exception of FIU beating UCF. UCF is getting to be a force in Central Florida, and for that reason, they are a strong contender to be grabbed by the Big East. I would love to see some balance in the Florida mid-major wars, but right now UCF is pretty strong and FIU and FAU are a little more than just one step behind.

And one other one which I think is a toss up is Troy at Clemson. The only reason I say this, is Clemson has a lot of replacements on the offensive side of the ball, and that's always the side that has the roughest outing in the first game of the season. Troy on the other hand should be picking up almost where we left off at the New Orleans Bowl on offense, and the defense WILL be much improved. So for Troy, I'd give us a better chance at upsetting Clemson, than Navy.

Yes i can see Troy defeating Clemson, i can also see UL defeating Oklahoma State and Arkansas State defeating Illinois (Cajuns nearly won at Illinois a few years ago). The Sun Belt's non conference record last year was absolutely miss leading as to the level of play. Sun Belt football IS GOOD FOOTBALL. This year the non conference record will reflect a football conference that deserves 3 bowl games EVERY year. On paper 16-20 .444 seems about right to me, 6 months from now we'll
see and i can't wait.
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I'd echo many of Troy87's sentiments. I do not see UNT beating Houston, I do not see WKU beating Navy, I do not see FIU beating UCF, and I definitely don't see them beating Duke as a given. FIU had a good year last year and may be on the rise, but they still have exactly zero FBS OOC wins against teams not named Toledo. They have 2 total FBS OOC wins, both against Toledo and you're calling for them to win 3 next year alone. With all due respect to the Golden Panthers, I think some may need to temper their expectations for FIU.
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(03-05-2011 01:33 PM)ULCajunRagin Wrote:  
(03-04-2011 05:19 PM)Troy87 Wrote:  I like your thinking, but I think you're overestimating N. Tx. this year and underestimating Navy.

I know Houston is coming to Denton this year, but they will have Case Keenum back for his 6th year. I think it will require a herculean effort for N. Tx. to have a new coach against a high powered Houston team and come away with a win, even though they will be up for the christening of their new stadium.

Navy is going to be tough, and even though WKU made great strides last season, I'm not convinced they can stop the pounding Navy will try to lay on Western by running over and over and over again. I'm not even sure Troy can go to Annapolis and come away with a win. Almost everyone in the Sunbelt is now a "Spread" team, and because we don't see the wishbone in practice, or have the personnel on the practice squads to smimulate the bone, it's a tough offense to adjust to for just one week.

Most everything else looks plausible, with the possible exception of FIU beating UCF. UCF is getting to be a force in Central Florida, and for that reason, they are a strong contender to be grabbed by the Big East. I would love to see some balance in the Florida mid-major wars, but right now UCF is pretty strong and FIU and FAU are a little more than just one step behind.

And one other one which I think is a toss up is Troy at Clemson. The only reason I say this, is Clemson has a lot of replacements on the offensive side of the ball, and that's always the side that has the roughest outing in the first game of the season. Troy on the other hand should be picking up almost where we left off at the New Orleans Bowl on offense, and the defense WILL be much improved. So for Troy, I'd give us a better chance at upsetting Clemson, than Navy.

Yes i can see Troy defeating Clemson, i can also see UL defeating Oklahoma State and Arkansas State defeating Illinois (Cajuns nearly won at Illinois a few years ago). The Sun Belt's non conference record last year was absolutely miss leading as to the level of play. Sun Belt football IS GOOD FOOTBALL. This year the non conference record will reflect a football conference that deserves 3 bowl games EVERY year. On paper 16-20 .444 seems about right to me, 6 months from now we'll
see and i can't wait.

I don't se Troy defeating Clemson either. Clemson played a large number of underclassmen this past season and has an outstanding recruiting class. While I don't think its impossible, Clemson will be more talented then the previous season.
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(03-05-2011 03:42 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(03-05-2011 01:33 PM)ULCajunRagin Wrote:  
(03-04-2011 05:19 PM)Troy87 Wrote:  I like your thinking, but I think you're overestimating N. Tx. this year and underestimating Navy.

I know Houston is coming to Denton this year, but they will have Case Keenum back for his 6th year. I think it will require a herculean effort for N. Tx. to have a new coach against a high powered Houston team and come away with a win, even though they will be up for the christening of their new stadium.

Navy is going to be tough, and even though WKU made great strides last season, I'm not convinced they can stop the pounding Navy will try to lay on Western by running over and over and over again. I'm not even sure Troy can go to Annapolis and come away with a win. Almost everyone in the Sunbelt is now a "Spread" team, and because we don't see the wishbone in practice, or have the personnel on the practice squads to smimulate the bone, it's a tough offense to adjust to for just one week.

Most everything else looks plausible, with the possible exception of FIU beating UCF. UCF is getting to be a force in Central Florida, and for that reason, they are a strong contender to be grabbed by the Big East. I would love to see some balance in the Florida mid-major wars, but right now UCF is pretty strong and FIU and FAU are a little more than just one step behind.

And one other one which I think is a toss up is Troy at Clemson. The only reason I say this, is Clemson has a lot of replacements on the offensive side of the ball, and that's always the side that has the roughest outing in the first game of the season. Troy on the other hand should be picking up almost where we left off at the New Orleans Bowl on offense, and the defense WILL be much improved. So for Troy, I'd give us a better chance at upsetting Clemson, than Navy.

Yes i can see Troy defeating Clemson, i can also see UL defeating Oklahoma State and Arkansas State defeating Illinois (Cajuns nearly won at Illinois a few years ago). The Sun Belt's non conference record last year was absolutely miss leading as to the level of play. Sun Belt football IS GOOD FOOTBALL. This year the non conference record will reflect a football conference that deserves 3 bowl games EVERY year. On paper 16-20 .444 seems about right to me, 6 months from now we'll
see and i can't wait.

I don't se Troy defeating Clemson either. Clemson played a large number of underclassmen this past season and has an outstanding recruiting class. While I don't think its impossible, Clemson will be more talented then the previous season.

Clemson is also changing from a pro-style to a spread offense. It will take a while for them to get acclimated to that change. I think that will even the playing field...talent or no...
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(03-05-2011 03:53 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  Clemson is also changing from a pro-style to a spread offense. It will take a while for them to get acclimated to that change. I think that will even the playing field...talent or no...

With all due respect to the Trojans, I may find it difficult to root for you in this game. I don't know if I can support anyone putting another nail in Swinney's coffin as I think Clemson is one of the few schools that Stockstill would absolutely not be able to turn down.
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(03-05-2011 03:53 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  
(03-05-2011 03:42 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(03-05-2011 01:33 PM)ULCajunRagin Wrote:  
(03-04-2011 05:19 PM)Troy87 Wrote:  I like your thinking, but I think you're overestimating N. Tx. this year and underestimating Navy.

I know Houston is coming to Denton this year, but they will have Case Keenum back for his 6th year. I think it will require a herculean effort for N. Tx. to have a new coach against a high powered Houston team and come away with a win, even though they will be up for the christening of their new stadium.

Navy is going to be tough, and even though WKU made great strides last season, I'm not convinced they can stop the pounding Navy will try to lay on Western by running over and over and over again. I'm not even sure Troy can go to Annapolis and come away with a win. Almost everyone in the Sunbelt is now a "Spread" team, and because we don't see the wishbone in practice, or have the personnel on the practice squads to smimulate the bone, it's a tough offense to adjust to for just one week.

Most everything else looks plausible, with the possible exception of FIU beating UCF. UCF is getting to be a force in Central Florida, and for that reason, they are a strong contender to be grabbed by the Big East. I would love to see some balance in the Florida mid-major wars, but right now UCF is pretty strong and FIU and FAU are a little more than just one step behind.

And one other one which I think is a toss up is Troy at Clemson. The only reason I say this, is Clemson has a lot of replacements on the offensive side of the ball, and that's always the side that has the roughest outing in the first game of the season. Troy on the other hand should be picking up almost where we left off at the New Orleans Bowl on offense, and the defense WILL be much improved. So for Troy, I'd give us a better chance at upsetting Clemson, than Navy.

Yes i can see Troy defeating Clemson, i can also see UL defeating Oklahoma State and Arkansas State defeating Illinois (Cajuns nearly won at Illinois a few years ago). The Sun Belt's non conference record last year was absolutely miss leading as to the level of play. Sun Belt football IS GOOD FOOTBALL. This year the non conference record will reflect a football conference that deserves 3 bowl games EVERY year. On paper 16-20 .444 seems about right to me, 6 months from now we'll
see and i can't wait.

I don't se Troy defeating Clemson either. Clemson played a large number of underclassmen this past season and has an outstanding recruiting class. While I don't think its impossible, Clemson will be more talented then the previous season.

Clemson is also changing from a pro-style to a spread offense. It will take a while for them to get acclimated to that change. I think that will even the playing field...talent or no...

There is always hope, but Clemson has the talent to line up and punch Troy in the mouth. They will not have to show their whole playbook against the Trojans and playing in Death Valley won't help. Was this game to be played at Troy, I would give the Trojans more of an chance.
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(03-05-2011 04:34 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(03-05-2011 03:53 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  
(03-05-2011 03:42 PM)CajunT Wrote:  
(03-05-2011 01:33 PM)ULCajunRagin Wrote:  
(03-04-2011 05:19 PM)Troy87 Wrote:  I like your thinking, but I think you're overestimating N. Tx. this year and underestimating Navy.

I know Houston is coming to Denton this year, but they will have Case Keenum back for his 6th year. I think it will require a herculean effort for N. Tx. to have a new coach against a high powered Houston team and come away with a win, even though they will be up for the christening of their new stadium.

Navy is going to be tough, and even though WKU made great strides last season, I'm not convinced they can stop the pounding Navy will try to lay on Western by running over and over and over again. I'm not even sure Troy can go to Annapolis and come away with a win. Almost everyone in the Sunbelt is now a "Spread" team, and because we don't see the wishbone in practice, or have the personnel on the practice squads to smimulate the bone, it's a tough offense to adjust to for just one week.

Most everything else looks plausible, with the possible exception of FIU beating UCF. UCF is getting to be a force in Central Florida, and for that reason, they are a strong contender to be grabbed by the Big East. I would love to see some balance in the Florida mid-major wars, but right now UCF is pretty strong and FIU and FAU are a little more than just one step behind.

And one other one which I think is a toss up is Troy at Clemson. The only reason I say this, is Clemson has a lot of replacements on the offensive side of the ball, and that's always the side that has the roughest outing in the first game of the season. Troy on the other hand should be picking up almost where we left off at the New Orleans Bowl on offense, and the defense WILL be much improved. So for Troy, I'd give us a better chance at upsetting Clemson, than Navy.

Yes i can see Troy defeating Clemson, i can also see UL defeating Oklahoma State and Arkansas State defeating Illinois (Cajuns nearly won at Illinois a few years ago). The Sun Belt's non conference record last year was absolutely miss leading as to the level of play. Sun Belt football IS GOOD FOOTBALL. This year the non conference record will reflect a football conference that deserves 3 bowl games EVERY year. On paper 16-20 .444 seems about right to me, 6 months from now we'll
see and i can't wait.

I don't se Troy defeating Clemson either. Clemson played a large number of underclassmen this past season and has an outstanding recruiting class. While I don't think its impossible, Clemson will be more talented then the previous season.

Clemson is also changing from a pro-style to a spread offense. It will take a while for them to get acclimated to that change. I think that will even the playing field...talent or no...

There is always hope, but Clemson has the talent to line up and punch Troy in the mouth. They will not have to show their whole playbook against the Trojans and playing in Death Valley won't help. Was this game to be played at Troy, I would give the Trojans more of an chance.

No prob...until TROY wins a few against the "big boys," on the road, that is going to be the general consensus. But, I'm pretty sure that our defense won't be as "snake bit" as it was last season.
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Houston will be a very hard game to win. I'm not saying we can't win it, but it won't be easy. McCarney will probably need more them one game against FIU to get this program at a point where it can compete with Houston. I'll be happy if we can pull off a win over Indiana.
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(03-05-2011 04:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(03-05-2011 03:53 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  Clemson is also changing from a pro-style to a spread offense. It will take a while for them to get acclimated to that change. I think that will even the playing field...talent or no...

With all due respect to the Trojans, I may find it difficult to root for you in this game. I don't know if I can support anyone putting another nail in Swinney's coffin as I think Clemson is one of the few schools that Stockstill would absolutely not be able to turn down.

What is this? Six degrees of separation from Rick Stockstill? Just kidding 03-lmfao
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(03-06-2011 02:33 PM)Troy87 Wrote:  
(03-05-2011 04:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(03-05-2011 03:53 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  Clemson is also changing from a pro-style to a spread offense. It will take a while for them to get acclimated to that change. I think that will even the playing field...talent or no...

With all due respect to the Trojans, I may find it difficult to root for you in this game. I don't know if I can support anyone putting another nail in Swinney's coffin as I think Clemson is one of the few schools that Stockstill would absolutely not be able to turn down.

What is this? Six degrees of separation from Rick Stockstill? Just kidding 03-lmfao

Clemson fans are souring on Swinney, I would not be shocked to see a change made after this season if they don't turn things around this year and losing to a Sun Belt school certainly wouldn't be a step in the right direction.

Since day one here, coach Stockstill has drawn comparisons to Florida State and how before Bobby Bowden they were nothing and how he plans to build our program up in a similar fashion. I don't think anyone expected then(or now) for him to turn Middle Tennessee into what Florida State is, but we were excited about the talk and his commitment to staying here, but most of us feared that once he got things rolling here, another school would just come hire him away. Well he's turned down a few offers and continues to say how committed he is to Middle Tennessee and we've obviously shown we're committed to him with the contract we've given him, I really believe the list of schools he would leave for gets smaller every year, I really believe that if a lower tier SEC school could offer him their head coaching job after this season, he would turn it down. This upcoming season will be, I believe, Stockstill's 29th year in coaching, of his 28 years so far, 14 were spent at Clemson and from all indications, he loved it there and the fans and community loved him. If Clemson has an opening any time soon, he would definitely be on the short list.
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(03-04-2011 04:18 PM)ULCajunRagin Wrote:  My take on Sun Belt football next year:

16-20 .444 maybe even better.

Arkansas State
L at Illinois
W Memphis
L at Virginia Tech
W Central Arkansas

Florida Atlantic
L at Florida
L at Michigan State
L at Auburn
W UAB

Florida International
L at Louisville (U of L)
W Central Florida
W Duke
W at Akron

Middle Tennessee
L at Purdue
L Georgia Tech
W Memphis
L at Tennessee

Louisiana (UL)
L at Oklahoma State
W at Kent State
W Nicholls State
L at Arizona

North Texas
W Houston
L at Alabama
W Indiana
L at Tulsa

Troy
L at Clemson
L at Arkansas
W UAB
W at Navy

Western Kentucky
L at Kentucky
W Navy
W Indiana State
L at LSU

UL Monroe
L at Florida State
W Grambling
L at TCU
L at Iowa


Central Florida is much better than you think. We play them next season, and I'm pretty leary of that matchup. I understand what FIU has going for them, but UCF has more going for them.
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(03-06-2011 03:16 PM)TennesseeBoyintheRockies Wrote:  
(03-04-2011 04:18 PM)ULCajunRagin Wrote:  My take on Sun Belt football next year:

16-20 .444 maybe even better.

Arkansas State
L at Illinois
W Memphis
L at Virginia Tech
W Central Arkansas

Florida Atlantic
L at Florida
L at Michigan State
L at Auburn
W UAB

Florida International
L at Louisville (U of L)
W Central Florida
W Duke
W at Akron

Middle Tennessee
L at Purdue
L Georgia Tech
W Memphis
L at Tennessee

Louisiana (UL)
L at Oklahoma State
W at Kent State
W Nicholls State
L at Arizona

North Texas
W Houston
L at Alabama
W Indiana
L at Tulsa

Troy
L at Clemson
L at Arkansas
W UAB
W at Navy

Western Kentucky
L at Kentucky
W Navy
W Indiana State
L at LSU

UL Monroe
L at Florida State
W Grambling
L at TCU
L at Iowa


Central Florida is much better than you think. We play them next season, and I'm pretty leary of that matchup. I understand what FIU has going for them, but UCF has more going for them.

It's a little early to dismiss people's predictions. Let's see how the spring goes before we decide what others can and can't do. 03-2thumbsup
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(03-06-2011 02:52 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(03-06-2011 02:33 PM)Troy87 Wrote:  
(03-05-2011 04:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(03-05-2011 03:53 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  Clemson is also changing from a pro-style to a spread offense. It will take a while for them to get acclimated to that change. I think that will even the playing field...talent or no...

With all due respect to the Trojans, I may find it difficult to root for you in this game. I don't know if I can support anyone putting another nail in Swinney's coffin as I think Clemson is one of the few schools that Stockstill would absolutely not be able to turn down.

What is this? Six degrees of separation from Rick Stockstill? Just kidding 03-lmfao

Clemson fans are souring on Swinney, I would not be shocked to see a change made after this season if they don't turn things around this year and losing to a Sun Belt school certainly wouldn't be a step in the right direction.

Since day one here, coach Stockstill has drawn comparisons to Florida State and how before Bobby Bowden they were nothing and how he plans to build our program up in a similar fashion. I don't think anyone expected then(or now) for him to turn Middle Tennessee into what Florida State is, but we were excited about the talk and his commitment to staying here, but most of us feared that once he got things rolling here, another school would just come hire him away. Well he's turned down a few offers and continues to say how committed he is to Middle Tennessee and we've obviously shown we're committed to him with the contract we've given him, I really believe the list of schools he would leave for gets smaller every year, I really believe that if a lower tier SEC school could offer him their head coaching job after this season, he would turn it down. This upcoming season will be, I believe, Stockstill's 29th year in coaching, of his 28 years so far, 14 were spent at Clemson and from all indications, he loved it there and the fans and community loved him. If Clemson has an opening any time soon, he would definitely be on the short list.

I think you're right on many of your points in your comments. What is absolutely crucial to building programs from the level the Sunbelt programs come from, is the continuity, consistency and committment of the Administration and the Coaching Staff and AD.

Everyone on here at one time or another takes pot shots about Coach Blakeney and his past at Auburn, but I'll go to my grave believing he fell on his sword for Pat Dye, and even though what he did was wrong in the eyes of the NCAA, it was the right thing to do as a human being.

That being said, and knowing him personally, he is one of the most conscientious men I have met when it comes to how he feels about the staff and players. That, plus the support he continues to get from the fans, and the administration is what has made him successful for 20 years at Troy.

Having the same person at the helm for 20 years has helped, tremendously, establish the success Troy has enjoyed for so long. He has had an offer or two in the past. He's been on a couple short lists for others, but he has remained at Troy. And after a certain age, as well as having seen what he has built, it tends to add glue to the seat of that chair in the Head Coach's office, and makes it more interesting to stay than go.

If Stock stays at Middle for 10 years, it might be hard to ever get him away, especially if he continues to perform well. This past season was a disappointment for many Blue Raiders, and I think the upcoming season will be a rebuilding year too, but he is a good coach who has brought integrity to the program that was lacking under his predecessor. Given a couple more years to see what shakes out with the conference re-alignments, and what additional improvements he can make with the program, and I think there's a good chance he may be at Middle a while.
03-07-2011 03:28 PM
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