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(02-04-2011 09:16 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  
(02-04-2011 07:09 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  It's not about star, but about who offered them. That's what I look at when ASU signs a kid. We have many this class that were offered by SEC and Big 12 schools.
I agree.
If the AQ schools think he's good enough to offer one of their sacred scholies to, then that says more than some young writers.

However, in general, the AQ's are spending most of their resources on the 4's and 5's (and higher 3's). After that they are filling needs and then it basically becomes a free-for-all for the rest of the 3's depending on AQ status, playing time, school location, education, etc. There are probably 20 schools that are slam-dunks for 3* recruits, after that it's open season. Clearly the 4's and 5's, at this time, are untouchable for the most part as an SBC school. Then we're all together for the 3's (this was not the case a few years ago).

By the way, I said the rise in 3's this past year MAY be because of greater resources from rivals and having fewer players 'unrated'. Of course it is an assumption, just one of many possible reasons. It would be interesting, however, to know the reason.
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(02-04-2011 09:33 AM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  Recruiting 2011

5 Sun Belt Recruits To Care About

Unfortunately, this piece was done before the actual class was verified. They have incorrect information on athletes signing to a specific school.
Wrong schools, etc.
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(02-04-2011 11:16 AM)CajunT Wrote:  
(02-04-2011 09:33 AM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  Recruiting 2011

5 Sun Belt Recruits To Care About

Unfortunately, this piece was done before the actual class was verified. They have incorrect information on athletes signing to a specific school.
Wrong schools, etc.

ASU's are correct but Aaron Williams is a 3 star on Rivals so I prefer that rating! The other Williams we signed, James, is the guy that is really impressive and started in the SEC at one time.
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(02-03-2011 10:07 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  It is clear that since 2005 more and more blue-chip football players are now coming to the Sun Belt.

Here's the breakdown of rivals 3*** football recruits since then:

2005 - 10
2006 - 4
2007 - 14
2008 - 33...increase = 136%
2009 - 32
2010 - 53...increase = 66%
2011 - 56


Why did the Sun Belt do so poorly in OOC games this year (beyond the difficult schedule)? Well just looking at the recruiting statistics tells me that the senior class this year were from 2007 (14 3***'s in the entire class). Starting this year there will be more quality Sun Belt atheltes on the field than ever before....and the pipeline only gets thicker from here.

There are potentially 174 3*** athletes, from the four previous recruiting classes, making up the 9 Sun Belt teams right now (that's ~19 per team) .

Anybody want to go to the WAC? 03-lmfao

Posting this on the Belt CFN board if it's ok. Good stuff.
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(02-04-2011 11:21 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  
(02-04-2011 11:16 AM)CajunT Wrote:  
(02-04-2011 09:33 AM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  Recruiting 2011

5 Sun Belt Recruits To Care About

Unfortunately, this piece was done before the actual class was verified. They have incorrect information on athletes signing to a specific school.
Wrong schools, etc.

ASU's are correct but Aaron Williams is a 3 star on Rivals so I prefer that rating! The other Williams we signed, James, is the guy that is really impressive and started in the SEC at one time.
They are clueless when it comes to ASU. Really have to ask the fans of the other schools if they have a clue about their schools recruits.

ASU signed so many outstanding athletes who were forced to play both ways and a position like QB or RB at their schools because they were the best athlete.. These services rank them at their HS position without taking into consideration how good of an athlete they are.

Guys like Griswold who is 6'4, 245 and runs a 4.55 and is also a McDonalds All-American nominee in basketball gets 2 stars. Give me a break, the guy is a dominating athlete.

Same with Kyle Coleman, Steven Hogan who had to play QB their senior year. SEC caliber athletes.

Or a guy like Don Jones who would probably have been one of the top 3 JC safties coming out of JC next year if he had not chosen to come back to the school he started at, ASU. They did not even rank him for a while and then gave him 2 stars.

Think Josh Jarboe is a 2 star athlete?

Clueless, I could go on because ASU loaded up with these types this year. Sure the other schools have similar stories.
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How do you guage better recruiting ? More wins vs out of conference opponents.:odie:
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We won two of three bowl games. Maybe the other ooc games were results of an unusual year and not indicitive of recruiting results.
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(02-05-2011 10:45 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  Think Josh Jarboe is a 2 star athlete?

He sure looked like a 2-star player at Troy. He wasn't even a top 5 receiver for Troy. The potential is there though. I'm curious to see if he'll do the work at ASU and finally be a big-time player.
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(02-05-2011 10:45 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(02-04-2011 11:21 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  
(02-04-2011 11:16 AM)CajunT Wrote:  
(02-04-2011 09:33 AM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  Recruiting 2011

5 Sun Belt Recruits To Care About

Unfortunately, this piece was done before the actual class was verified. They have incorrect information on athletes signing to a specific school.
Wrong schools, etc.

ASU's are correct but Aaron Williams is a 3 star on Rivals so I prefer that rating! The other Williams we signed, James, is the guy that is really impressive and started in the SEC at one time.
They are clueless when it comes to ASU. Really have to ask the fans of the other schools if they have a clue about their schools recruits.

ASU signed so many outstanding athletes who were forced to play both ways and a position like QB or RB at their schools because they were the best athlete.. These services rank them at their HS position without taking into consideration how good of an athlete they are.

Guys like Griswold who is 6'4, 245 and runs a 4.55 and is also a McDonalds All-American nominee in basketball gets 2 stars. Give me a break, the guy is a dominating athlete.

Same with Kyle Coleman, Steven Hogan who had to play QB their senior year. SEC caliber athletes.

Or a guy like Don Jones who would probably have been one of the top 3 JC safties coming out of JC next year if he had not chosen to come back to the school he started at, ASU. They did not even rank him for a while and then gave him 2 stars.

Think Josh Jarboe is a 2 star athlete?

Clueless, I could go on because ASU loaded up with these types this year. Sure the other schools have similar stories.

Griswold is a 2-star because it wasn't clear wherther he would play BB or football. And beng a McDonalds All-American in BB doeesn't meam he was one in football. Two programs offered him at QB, Central Arkansas and ASU, others were offering him at TE or WR. The Cajuns offered him at TE.
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(02-05-2011 11:38 PM)BlueRaiderFan. Wrote:  We won two of three bowl games. Maybe the other ooc games were results of an unusual year and not indicitive of recruiting results.

Yep. Vs the well respected MAC Conference.:ncaabbs:
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(02-05-2011 11:30 PM)MG61 Wrote:  How do you guage better recruiting ? More wins vs out of conference opponents.:odie:

To a degree. I don't think it's entirely that simple, though. If a team is beating Memphis, Akron, and San Jose State, and another team is playing well but losing to Alabama, TCU, and Ohio State, I'd have a hard time knowing who had the better recruits. For me, its all about quality over quantity. Although I'd love to have both, a couple of red delicious apples are always better than a bushel of prunes; and a bushel of prunes is always better than no fruit at all.
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(02-06-2011 12:03 AM)CajunT Wrote:  
(02-05-2011 10:45 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(02-04-2011 11:21 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  
(02-04-2011 11:16 AM)CajunT Wrote:  
(02-04-2011 09:33 AM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  Recruiting 2011

5 Sun Belt Recruits To Care About

Unfortunately, this piece was done before the actual class was verified. They have incorrect information on athletes signing to a specific school.
Wrong schools, etc.

ASU's are correct but Aaron Williams is a 3 star on Rivals so I prefer that rating! The other Williams we signed, James, is the guy that is really impressive and started in the SEC at one time.
They are clueless when it comes to ASU. Really have to ask the fans of the other schools if they have a clue about their schools recruits.

ASU signed so many outstanding athletes who were forced to play both ways and a position like QB or RB at their schools because they were the best athlete.. These services rank them at their HS position without taking into consideration how good of an athlete they are.

Guys like Griswold who is 6'4, 245 and runs a 4.55 and is also a McDonalds All-American nominee in basketball gets 2 stars. Give me a break, the guy is a dominating athlete.

Same with Kyle Coleman, Steven Hogan who had to play QB their senior year. SEC caliber athletes.

Or a guy like Don Jones who would probably have been one of the top 3 JC safties coming out of JC next year if he had not chosen to come back to the school he started at, ASU. They did not even rank him for a while and then gave him 2 stars.

Think Josh Jarboe is a 2 star athlete?

Clueless, I could go on because ASU loaded up with these types this year. Sure the other schools have similar stories.

Griswold is a 2-star because it wasn't clear whether he would play BB or football. And beng a McDonalds All-American in BB doeesn't meam he was one in football. Two programs offered him at QB, Central Arkansas and ASU, others were offering him at TE or WR. The Cajuns offered him at TE.
Like I said you have to know about your schools recruits to have an idea for what you got. Not saying that ASUs class is not a middle of the pack SBC class, just saying these recruiting services are clueless about who the real stars are.

In ASU's case instate guys like Darion Griswold and Kyle Coleman are by any standard 4 star athletes, and Steven Hogan is by any standard a 3 star athlete. All got hurt by having to play QB in HS, and all were very good QB's and could play that position in college but will probably will not. Artez brown is a high 3 star athlete and got rated as such. All will be big time players for ASU.

Really cannot talk much about the out of state recruits but Chris Stone, who is listed as weighing 210 when he weighs 245 and shows offers from GT, MSU and others, is probably a 3 star athlete and Bonterrious Jakes is probably a 2 star not a 3 star guy.

Josh Jarboe is a 4 star receiver by any standard and that is why he had offers from schools like Tenn, Pitt, USC and Miss St this time around.

Are the other out of state kids who got 3 stars, really 3 stars, I do not have a clue.
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(02-06-2011 12:03 AM)CajunT Wrote:  
(02-05-2011 10:45 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(02-04-2011 11:21 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  
(02-04-2011 11:16 AM)CajunT Wrote:  
(02-04-2011 09:33 AM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  Recruiting 2011

5 Sun Belt Recruits To Care About

Unfortunately, this piece was done before the actual class was verified. They have incorrect information on athletes signing to a specific school.
Wrong schools, etc.

ASU's are correct but Aaron Williams is a 3 star on Rivals so I prefer that rating! The other Williams we signed, James, is the guy that is really impressive and started in the SEC at one time.
They are clueless when it comes to ASU. Really have to ask the fans of the other schools if they have a clue about their schools recruits.

ASU signed so many outstanding athletes who were forced to play both ways and a position like QB or RB at their schools because they were the best athlete.. These services rank them at their HS position without taking into consideration how good of an athlete they are.

Guys like Griswold who is 6'4, 245 and runs a 4.55 and is also a McDonalds All-American nominee in basketball gets 2 stars. Give me a break, the guy is a dominating athlete.

Same with Kyle Coleman, Steven Hogan who had to play QB their senior year. SEC caliber athletes.

Or a guy like Don Jones who would probably have been one of the top 3 JC safties coming out of JC next year if he had not chosen to come back to the school he started at, ASU. They did not even rank him for a while and then gave him 2 stars.

Think Josh Jarboe is a 2 star athlete?

Clueless, I could go on because ASU loaded up with these types this year. Sure the other schools have similar stories.

Griswold is a 2-star because it wasn't clear wherther he would play BB or football. And beng a McDonalds All-American in BB doeesn't meam he was one in football. Two programs offered him at QB, Central Arkansas and ASU, others were offering him at TE or WR. The Cajuns offered him at TE.
ASU recruited Griswold as a TE as well, not QB. He may be an emergency QB but I know for a fact he was recruited as a TE and
he's talked about that himself.
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(02-06-2011 10:42 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  
(02-06-2011 12:03 AM)CajunT Wrote:  
(02-05-2011 10:45 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(02-04-2011 11:21 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  
(02-04-2011 11:16 AM)CajunT Wrote:  Unfortunately, this piece was done before the actual class was verified. They have incorrect information on athletes signing to a specific school.
Wrong schools, etc.

ASU's are correct but Aaron Williams is a 3 star on Rivals so I prefer that rating! The other Williams we signed, James, is the guy that is really impressive and started in the SEC at one time.
They are clueless when it comes to ASU. Really have to ask the fans of the other schools if they have a clue about their schools recruits.

ASU signed so many outstanding athletes who were forced to play both ways and a position like QB or RB at their schools because they were the best athlete.. These services rank them at their HS position without taking into consideration how good of an athlete they are.

Guys like Griswold who is 6'4, 245 and runs a 4.55 and is also a McDonalds All-American nominee in basketball gets 2 stars. Give me a break, the guy is a dominating athlete.

Same with Kyle Coleman, Steven Hogan who had to play QB their senior year. SEC caliber athletes.

Or a guy like Don Jones who would probably have been one of the top 3 JC safties coming out of JC next year if he had not chosen to come back to the school he started at, ASU. They did not even rank him for a while and then gave him 2 stars.

Think Josh Jarboe is a 2 star athlete?

Clueless, I could go on because ASU loaded up with these types this year. Sure the other schools have similar stories.

Griswold is a 2-star because it wasn't clear wherther he would play BB or football. And beng a McDonalds All-American in BB doeesn't meam he was one in football. Two programs offered him at QB, Central Arkansas and ASU, others were offering him at TE or WR. The Cajuns offered him at TE.
ASU recruited Griswold as a TE as well, not QB. He may be an emergency QB but I know for a fact he was recruited as a TE and
he's talked about that himself.

And a small forward! 04-rock
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(02-06-2011 10:42 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  
(02-06-2011 12:03 AM)CajunT Wrote:  
(02-05-2011 10:45 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(02-04-2011 11:21 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  
(02-04-2011 11:16 AM)CajunT Wrote:  Unfortunately, this piece was done before the actual class was verified. They have incorrect information on athletes signing to a specific school.
Wrong schools, etc.

ASU's are correct but Aaron Williams is a 3 star on Rivals so I prefer that rating! The other Williams we signed, James, is the guy that is really impressive and started in the SEC at one time.
They are clueless when it comes to ASU. Really have to ask the fans of the other schools if they have a clue about their schools recruits.

ASU signed so many outstanding athletes who were forced to play both ways and a position like QB or RB at their schools because they were the best athlete.. These services rank them at their HS position without taking into consideration how good of an athlete they are.

Guys like Griswold who is 6'4, 245 and runs a 4.55 and is also a McDonalds All-American nominee in basketball gets 2 stars. Give me a break, the guy is a dominating athlete.

Same with Kyle Coleman, Steven Hogan who had to play QB their senior year. SEC caliber athletes.

Or a guy like Don Jones who would probably have been one of the top 3 JC safties coming out of JC next year if he had not chosen to come back to the school he started at, ASU. They did not even rank him for a while and then gave him 2 stars.

Think Josh Jarboe is a 2 star athlete?

Clueless, I could go on because ASU loaded up with these types this year. Sure the other schools have similar stories.

Griswold is a 2-star because it wasn't clear wherther he would play BB or football. And beng a McDonalds All-American in BB doeesn't meam he was one in football. Two programs offered him at QB, Central Arkansas and ASU, others were offering him at TE or WR. The Cajuns offered him at TE.
ASU recruited Griswold as a TE as well, not QB. He may be an emergency QB but I know for a fact he was recruited as a TE and
he's talked about that himself.

I like the kid, no matter what position he will play. As for transfers, Broadway was rated in the top 35 QB's coming out in his class. He is not part of our class because he is a mid-term transfer. RB Qyen Griiffin is an all-american on three networks...but rated a 2-star on Scout. I can find examples in both networks just like that all day long. Again, Rivals doesn't care about ASU's class anymore then Scout, you guys have someone that is covering your recruiting. It really is that simple, I've seen very little difference between the two over the years in concern with Non-BCS programs.
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(02-05-2011 09:09 PM)BlueRaiderFan. Wrote:  Posting this on the Belt CFN board if it's ok. Good stuff.

sure. np. is there another belt board? i'd like to follow along over there as well. you got a link. thanks.
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(02-06-2011 10:58 AM)CajunT Wrote:  As for transfers, Broadway was rated in the top 35 QB's coming out in his class.

Did Broadway ever get the hardship waiver?? I haven't heard anything on that. It'd be nice for the Cajuns to have him at QB this coming season.
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(02-06-2011 10:58 AM)CajunT Wrote:  As for transfers, Broadway was rated in the top 35 QB's coming out in his class.

Did Broadway ever get the hardship waiver?? I haven't heard anything on that. It'd be nice for the Cajuns to have him at QB this coming season.

The plan is to red-shirt Broadway, regardless of what happens with the hardship waiver. No ruling has been made by the NCAA yet.
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The had and article in todays Jonesboro Sun about a former ASU player, David Johnson, who in playing in the Super Bowl today. They noted that he did not show any other offers in his ASU player profile, when in fact he drew great intrest fron schools like LSU and Arkansas. These schools just did not know what to do with a 270lb athlete who was playing wide receiver. Everyone knew he was a great athlete and his HS coach at the time told the media when he signed with ASU that the only surprise would be if Johnson was not playing on Sundays in 6 years.

That is the case with several players who signed with ASU this year, everyone knows they are great athletes, and although some bigger programs did step up and offer these players, even ASU is unsure where they will play. What they do know is they are big-time athletes.
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