(01-02-2011 05:48 PM)LaRue777 Wrote:  I have been a huge fan of the Big East football conference staying together but when a Big East coach that led his team to a BCS game moves to the ACC all bets are off for the future of the conference.

Essentially, he left what was the ninth best job in the Big East to take on what is the sixth, or seventh best job in the ACC, with backing to move up, for a sizable raise. It is not near as bad as say when tom O'Brien left Boston College for another team in the same conference. That was the ultimate insult.

Edsell has been quiet outspoken regarding Notre Dame getting an ultimatum, I wonder if that played any part....and what I mean by that is does he know what is going on behind the scenes of the expansion process and does not like what he sees for the future. I also agree he has been there quiet a while and might just be ready for a change. Whether its the ACC or any other BCS conference doesn't make to much of a difference if you are just in need of a change to recharge the batteries.

(01-02-2011 07:04 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Edsell has been quiet outspoken regarding Notre Dame getting an ultimatum, I wonder if that played any part....and what I mean by that is does he know what is going on behind the scenes of the expansion process and does not like what he sees for the future. I also agree he has been there quiet a while and might just be ready for a change. Whether its the ACC or any other BCS conference doesn't make to much of a difference if you are just in need of a change to recharge the batteries.

i don't believe that is the case. You are still judged on wins/losses. I think, as BK did last year, that if i was at a bigger school i could do more. Not trying to diminish UC or UConn but when comparing to where each coach left for there are definite improvements across the board. I can guess that Edsall really wanted to make the next jump. He flirted with ND last season and made a quick exit after this one is over. Kelly was constantly linked to other schools in the same manner. The line "If i had their resources I could do" seems to fit with most coaches.

(01-02-2011 05:43 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(01-02-2011 03:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  It's a pattern: Win the Big East and go to a BCS bowl, and you get plucked away by another BCS team. Edsall's just following in the steps of richrod, petrino, and kelly.

I must have missed something; when did the Atlanta Falcons get demoted to being a BCS team? And really to be fair, Rich Rod and Kelly went to two of the true titans of college football, the winningest program and the one with the most titles, in Michigan and Notre Dame respectively. That is not really comparable to this.

Obviously, the ATL Falcons aren't in the BCS, no need to nit-pick that when it doesn't change my point: The BE is a stepping-stone league right now. Excel here and you'll be plucked off by a higher-level program, be it BCS or NFL.

(01-02-2011 07:19 PM)KnightChris Wrote:  If Edsall is such a superstar, how come nobody on this thread can spell his last name right?

I always get him confused with the car Ford put out as their car of the future...

(01-02-2011 05:43 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(01-02-2011 03:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Maryland is not a lateral move, it's clearly an upward move, which sadly just about any move from a Big East school to another BCS conference is.

true. It is not a lateral move, but not a true vertical move in the modl tha coaches usually make. However I think the combination of being at UConn for 13 years, and to him probably still thinking of it as a 1AA school, adn the lack of a big long term contract made the move one worth taking.

(01-02-2011 03:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  It's a pattern: Win the Big East and go to a BCS bowl, and you get plucked away by another BCS team. Edsall's just following in the steps of richrod, petrino, and kelly.

I must have missed something; when did the Atlanta Falcons get demoted to being a BCS team? And really to be fair, Rich Rod and Kelly went to two of the true titans of college football, the winningest program and the one with the most titles, in Michigan and Notre Dame respectively. That is not really comparable to this.

Not to nit pick but Alabama has 13 national titles to ND's 11 and they have a much better shot of adding more to it.

the talk is that the uconn ad hathaway didn't hire edsall lew
perkins did and he went to kansas and was forced to resign there due to ethical issues. one thing was brought up that stoops had a customized 18 wheeler filled with equipment and hathaway had uhaul trucks.

i think hathaway was caught off guard here and now its panic in detroit.
edsall didn't say goodbye to his players he snuck out the back door and he dissapointed a lot of people. he flew on a private jet with his family to maryland

(01-02-2011 07:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Not to nit pick but Alabama has 13 national titles to ND's 11 and they have a much better shot of adding more to it.

I forgot about that last one, but I thought both had 12. go figure.

(01-02-2011 07:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-02-2011 05:43 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  I must have missed something; when did the Atlanta Falcons get demoted to being a BCS team?

Obviously, the ATL Falcons aren't in the BCS, no need to nit-pick that when it doesn't change my point: The BE is a stepping-stone league right now. Excel here and you'll be plucked off by a higher-level program, be it BCS or NFL.

Actually, it did change your point. Pete Carroll left USC to go to the NFL; Jim Harborugh may leave Stanford to go to the NFL or Michigan; is the Pac 10 a stepping stone league now too? Because those are the exact same situations. Let's see, what else is there... Nick Saban left Michigan State to go to the SEC; then left the SEC for the NFL; are the Big Ten and SEC stepping stones? But wait, he and Bobby Petrino left their NFL teams to go to the SEC; so the NFL is a stepping stone league now too? Lane Kiffin left Tennessee to go to the PAC 10? Guess we are back at square one, since the SEC is a stepping stone league too, huh? Oh wait, Auburn hired their coach when he was setting up new records for futility at Iowa State, so the big XII is the stepping stone. Steve Spurrier left Florida for the NFL, so they must be a stepping stone program too, just like Louisville. Oh, and many thought Notre Dame was close to hiring the coach of Florida and/or Oklahoma; does that make them a stepping stone leagues? See my point? I guess the ACC is the only non stepping stone league, since their only other example is Tom O'Brien, who left one ACC school for another ACC one, so obviously they are the only major conference that is not a stepping stone.

You are talking about three coaches who left the Big East for premier upon premier college jobs, and to coach in the NFL, and that makes it a stepping stone league, yet dismiss it if it comes from another league, many of whom have had more defections. That is why I pointed this out.

(01-02-2011 08:39 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  i think hathaway was caught off guard here and now its panic in detroit.
edsall didn't say goodbye to his players he snuck out the back door and he dissapointed a lot of people. he flew on a private jet with his family to maryland

Looks like Edsall talked to Kelly about how to exit a program in a low class and unprofessional manner.

New ESPN article:

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/tag/_/...l-to-terps


"Edsall is 74-70 and his best season ever just ended with an 8-5 record; Friedgen was 75-50, led Maryland to a 9-4 record and bowl win this year, and he was told to clean out his office).

The Terrapins have a bigger stadium than Connecticut, at a capacity of 54,000, but their average home attendance this year was 39,168 while the Huskies drew 38,248 per game to Rentschler Field. The ACC has more money than the Big East, but according to this report from FanHouse last month, UConn spent nearly $5 million more on football last year than Maryland. Edsall also has an easier path to a league championship in the Big East than he does in the ACC, as was evident this year.

So why did Edsall leave?"

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I dunno. Why u askin me? (read full ESPN article)

(01-02-2011 09:11 PM)WacoBearcat Wrote:  

(01-02-2011 08:39 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  i think hathaway was caught off guard here and now its panic in detroit.
edsall didn't say goodbye to his players he snuck out the back door and he dissapointed a lot of people. he flew on a private jet with his family to maryland

Looks like Edsall talked to Kelly about how to exit a program in a low class and unprofessional manner.

i don't get these guys edsall had tons of job security, he could have retired at storrs, the governor loved him, it must have been the new recruiting standards, which make it tougher to get kids.
i'll bet maryland doubled his salary.

Word had it that he and the AD didn't see eye to eye. That could have been the reason...

(01-02-2011 08:39 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  the talk is that the uconn ad hathaway didn't hire edsall lew
perkins did and he went to kansas and was forced to resign there due to ethical issues. one thing was brought up that stoops had a customized 18 wheeler filled with equipment and hathaway had uhaul trucks.

i think hathaway was caught off guard here and now its panic in detroit.
edsall didn't say goodbye to his players he snuck out the back door and he dissapointed a lot of people. he flew on a private jet with his family to maryland

Hopefully, you Uconn fans can realize what SU fans already knew about what type of a sleazy coach that Edsall was. Constantly trying to get other jobs, and now leaving without even saying goodbye to his players, according to this article:


Edsall hired as Maryland head football coach

By DAVID GINSBURG, AP Sports Writer 1 hour, 58 minutes ago

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BALTIMORE (AP)—Randy Edsall, who diligently worked to build the Connecticut football program into a winner, has been hired to pull off a similar feat at Maryland.

Edsall was picked Sunday to replace Ralph Friedgen, who was fired after a 10-year run at his alma mater.

Edsall spent 12 years at Connecticut. He guided the Huskies out of Division I-AA (now FCS) and into the Big East, where he won a pair of conference titles and earned postseason appearances in each of the last four years.

Connecticut lost to Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl on Saturday night.

The 52-year-old Edsall emerged as a surprise candidate for the job over the weekend. He beat out former Texas Tech coach Mike Leach, who was considered the favorite when the search began on Dec. 20.

Edsall, the 2010 Big East coach of the year, led the Huskies to eight or more wins in each of the last four seasons. He finished with a 74-70 record at UConn.

[b]Edsall did not accompany the team on its charter flight back to Connecticut, and players said he told them nothing of his coaching plans after the Fiesta Bowl loss to Oklahoma.

Players said when they landed they began receiving text messages about reports Edsall had been hired at Maryland.

“We had a meeting in the locker room after the game with a bunch of farewells,” defensive tackle Twyon Martin said. “If Edsall already had this decision made, we’re kind of shocked he wouldn’t have said anything then.”
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Maryland announced the hiring in a short press release Sunday night. The College Park school will hold a press conference Monday afternoon to introduce Edsall as its new football coach.

First-year Maryland athletic director Kevin Anderson fired Friedgen before Christmas. Friedgen finished up a 10-year stint at Maryland with a victory against East Carolina in the Military Bowl.

Even before Friedgen was let go, Leach was being talked about as the leading candidate to replace him.

Leach, who won 84 games in 10 seasons with Texas Tech, was fired after the 2009 season. He had been accused of mistreating a player. He is suing Texas Tech for wrongful termination.

Associated Press writer Pat Eaton-Robb in Storrs, Conn., contributed to this report.

Classy:

Edsall exits stage left

A freshman who asked not to be identified told the Hartford Courant that Edsall informed some of his players over the phone.

"It really pisses me off because he made [running back] Jordan [Todman] address the team last night to say he was leaving [for the NFL draft]," said the freshman, who also expressed his desire to transfer. "And he isn't man enough to do it face to face to us?

"A lot of people were just really upset by the call. He made Todman get up and tell the whole team: 'Jordan, I think you have something to say to these guys.' He made him do it face-to-face. But he didn't do it face-to-face."

Wide receiver Kashif Moore also told the Courant he was disappointed.

(01-02-2011 09:59 PM)frogman Wrote:  New ESPN article:

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/tag/_/...l-to-terps


"Edsall is 74-70 and his best season ever just ended with an 8-5 record; Friedgen was 75-50, led Maryland to a 9-4 record and bowl win this year, and he was told to clean out his office).

The Terrapins have a bigger stadium than Connecticut, at a capacity of 54,000, but their average home attendance this year was 39,168 while the Huskies drew 38,248 per game to Rentschler Field. The ACC has more money than the Big East, but according to this report from FanHouse last month, UConn spent nearly $5 million more on football last year than Maryland. Edsall also has an easier path to a league championship in the Big East than he does in the ACC, as was evident this year.

So why did Edsall leave?"

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I dunno. Why u askin me? (read full ESPN article)

I read an article that said he is from eastern PA around 75 miles from the Maryland campus. With all things being equal between the football programs, perhaps this was the deciding factor. Nothing wrong in going home in my opinion. Who knows, perhaps his parents still live in his home town and are getting on in years.
As for the Big East coaches being poached by other leagues, yes it happens, not just to the Big East. In my opinion the NFL can outbid any her college team so they can poach who ever they want. Look at Pete Carroll from USC. He went to the NFL (granted they were going on probation at USC).

Maybe Uconn can hire the Fridge.

Quote:UConn Freshman Football Player Contacts Courant...He's Mad
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Desmond Conner
on January 2, 2011 8:45 PM | Permalink | Comments (11)




Here's how a UConn freshman football player, who asked not to be identified, described how some members of the team learned of Randy Edsall's decision to go to Maryland and, what the former UConn coach said to them - and how.

No more than 25 players returned to Connecticut Sunday on the UConn charter. UConn is on break right now and many players scattered when they could. So he hadn't addressed everybody.

When the plane landed....

"We were on hold for a half-hour, with the operations manager telling us Edsall would be coming on in a few minutes. When Edsall came on he was like, "I just wanted to tell you that I'm sorry I can't do this in person, but due to circumstances ... I just want to let you know that it's not because of you guys. But it's an opportunity for my family. ... I can move on feeling like I've accomplished things here and I'm leaving the program in a good way."

"A couple of coaches said that was BS. ... They didn't know about it. He hadn't told any of us.

"It really pisses me off because he made Jordan (Todman) address the team last night to say he was leaving. And he isn't man enough to do it face to face to us?"

"A lot of people were just really upset by the call. He made Todman get up and tell the whole team: 'Jordan, I think you have something to say to these guys.' He made him do it face-to-face. But he didn't do it face-to-face."

"I'm going to look [at other schools], not Big East or anything. ... When you bring in a new coach, the first three or four years [it's all developing the program)]. But these are Edsall's players, not the new guy's. ... Well, I'm going to get the --- out of here. But what happens with the incoming recruiting class? Are those guys still coming?

"The thing I'm concerned with is, am I going to get my release."

The player said they had seen Edsall this morning at the hotel. "He could have told us then, face-to-face.

According to the player, Edsall also said on the call: 'Guys, this just happened. It was a spur of the moment thing. I had no idea."

I'm hearing now that Edsall was in contract negotiations with Maryland last week...

Peace,

DC

Edsall must have went to the same exit interview class Brian Kelly attended. Unreal.

(01-02-2011 11:18 PM)RUfan03 Wrote:  Maybe Uconn can hire the Fridge.

That would be something.

Great line frpm Ivan Maisel: Maryland fired Friedgen because it thought he had gone as far as he could. Edsall fired UConn for the same reason.

(01-02-2011 09:00 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(01-02-2011 07:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Not to nit pick but Alabama has 13 national titles to ND's 11 and they have a much better shot of adding more to it.

I forgot about that last one, but I thought both had 12. go figure.

(01-02-2011 07:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-02-2011 05:43 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  I must have missed something; when did the Atlanta Falcons get demoted to being a BCS team?

Obviously, the ATL Falcons aren't in the BCS, no need to nit-pick that when it doesn't change my point: The BE is a stepping-stone league right now. Excel here and you'll be plucked off by a higher-level program, be it BCS or NFL.

Actually, it did change your point. Pete Carroll left USC to go to the NFL; Jim Harborugh may leave Stanford to go to the NFL or Michigan; is the Pac 10 a stepping stone league now too? Because those are the exact same situations. Let's see, what else is there... Nick Saban left Michigan State to go to the SEC; then left the SEC for the NFL; are the Big Ten and SEC stepping stones? But wait, he and Bobby Petrino left their NFL teams to go to the SEC; so the NFL is a stepping stone league now too?

.....................

You are talking about three coaches who left the Big East for premier upon premier college jobs, and to coach in the NFL, and that makes it a stepping stone league, yet dismiss it if it comes from another league, many of whom have had more defections. That is why I pointed this out.

My point remained - there is a *pattern* of coaches having success in the Big East then going elsewhere. Since 2005, every single Big East coach that has made a BCS bowl, all 4 of them, have left for another league, BCS or NFL. And within a short period of time thereafter.

The reason i single the Big East out as a 'stepping stone' league and 'dismiss' the same issue with other BCS leagues is because they show no such pattern. They are isolated examples, not a 100% pattern.