(12-23-2010 04:36 PM)rocketincbus Wrote:  I know. we're known for baseball and hockey. But we also happen to have a football team with a storied history. 2nd Longest Winning Streak in NCAA football history, number of MAC Titles, 8 Bowl Wins, Wins against prominent D-1 BCS teams...

From what Ive seen... I cant say FIU, FAU, MTS, what who else is even in the Sun Belt... wait what have they done recently.

1 Conference Championship
2 Bowl wins

All in 5 years of playing at FBS level

1 Conference Championship
2 Bowl wins

All in 5 years of playing at FBS level


I cant say 1 Conference Championship is that impressive in the Sunbelt. I mean you can go 6-6 and win the conference. That could never happen in the MAC. Just saying...

(12-23-2010 05:03 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(12-23-2010 04:52 PM)CajunFan89 Wrote:  

(12-23-2010 04:36 PM)rocketincbus Wrote:  I know. we're known for baseball and hockey. But we also happen to have a football team with a storied history. 2nd Longest Winning Streak in NCAA football history, number of MAC Titles, 8 Bowl Wins, Wins against prominent D-1 BCS teams...

From what Ive seen... I cant say FIU, FAU, MTS, what who else is even in the Sun Belt... wait what have they done recently.

wins over OK St., K St., TAMU, Minnesota, Alabama, Vanderbilt, Maryland, Missouri, and many others over CUSA, MAC, WAC teams.

Toledo has done more by themselves that's your whole conferance.... FOR EVER!!!!!!


And We have resorted to city blows no that you have lost the stat battle??? Well fine you can smash Toledo all you want, but hey if we're in Detroit I guess its our own element! another +1 for Toledo

when was your big win against #9 Pitt speaking of??? can't do much with stats when 3 members haven't been in FBS for more than a decade or less. happens though when your league is growing and hasn't been a stagnant cesspool for schools for the past 2 or 3 decades. you have the occasional anomaly like a Ball St. that got beat by a shoddy Buffalo team and NIU that got beat by a less than good Miami(OH) team to get knocked from the rankings.

(12-23-2010 05:09 PM)rocketincbus Wrote:  1 Conference Championship
2 Bowl wins

All in 5 years of playing at FBS level


I cant say 1 Conference Championship is that impressive in the Sunbelt. I mean you can go 6-6 and win the conference. That could never happen in the MAC. Just saying...

couldn't happen because you're league sucks so badly. the top and bottom are too greatly separated.

Pittsburgh was in 2003.

you forget that many schools in our conferences have storied histories of banner seasons.

central michigan, western michigan, bgsu, toledo, miami, who've all had tremendous success over decades....

this cesspool you speak of? The only cesspool has been Eastern Michigan, and what they have lacked on the football field over the years, they made up on the basketball court...

(12-23-2010 05:12 PM)CajunFan89 Wrote:  

(12-23-2010 05:09 PM)rocketincbus Wrote:  1 Conference Championship
2 Bowl wins

All in 5 years of playing at FBS level


I cant say 1 Conference Championship is that impressive in the Sunbelt. I mean you can go 6-6 and win the conference. That could never happen in the MAC. Just saying...

couldn't happen because you're league sucks so badly. the top and bottom are too greatly separated.

That happens when you have teams who can standout and beat the F###ing bottom feaders. And 2003 #9 Pittsburg strolled into the Glass bowl and lost 31-35 at the hand of Bruce Gradkowski...NFL, and Lance more...NFL.

(12-23-2010 03:49 PM)rocketincbus Wrote:  Personally, I think the strength of schedule is moot.

Boise State and Arizona are better than Pitt, Rutgers, and Texas A&M.

Until you have a win and some sort of pagentry, lets talk. Oh... and sell some damn bowl tickets... then you'll gain some respect.

That's debatable. Boise State I will give you, but Arizona may be one of the most overrated teams in the country. I fully expect Arizona to get beaten soundly in their bowl game.

Zona would beat Pitt and Rutgers. Would be a game with A&M, but still A&M hasnt done much in awhile.

And who triggered this whole start... the fan of the Raging Cajuns... What have they done remarkable in their history?

(12-23-2010 05:09 PM)rocketincbus Wrote:  1 Conference Championship
2 Bowl wins

All in 5 years of playing at FBS level


I cant say 1 Conference Championship is that impressive in the Sunbelt. I mean you can go 6-6 and win the conference. That could never happen in the MAC. Just saying...

In defense of the FAU fan, the Mid-American Conference does have four football members more than the Sun Belt making it more plausible to stack the win column against the usual suspects of football oblivion like Eastern Michigan, Kent State, Buffalo, Akron, Ball State, and at least two or three more underachieving members (this year: Bowling Green, and Central Michigan).

Yes?

(12-23-2010 05:16 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(12-23-2010 05:12 PM)CajunFan89 Wrote:  

(12-23-2010 05:09 PM)rocketincbus Wrote:  1 Conference Championship
2 Bowl wins

All in 5 years of playing at FBS level


I cant say 1 Conference Championship is that impressive in the Sunbelt. I mean you can go 6-6 and win the conference. That could never happen in the MAC. Just saying...

couldn't happen because you're league sucks so badly. the top and bottom are too greatly separated.

That happens when you have teams who can standout and beat the F###ing bottom feaders. And 2003 #9 Pittsburg strolled into the Glass bowl and lost 31-35 at the hand of Bruce Gradkowski...NFL, and Lance more...NFL.

no need to use expletives my man, just having a nice heated debate here which is obviously frustrating you severely. congrats on the 2 nfl players that were on the squad at the time. must be nice to catch a team on an off weekend..... keeping yourselves up there with the likes of Appy St and James Madison surely does great things for your 50 year old conference and the power house it's become over the past 5 decades.

(12-23-2010 05:28 PM)rocketincbus Wrote:  And who triggered this whole start... the fan of the Raging Cajuns... What have they done remarkable in their history?

I like supporting my conference, what is the problem with that??? beat #25 ranked TAMU and K St. and put record setters on the NFL playing field and other names like Jake Delhomme, Brandon Stokely, Ike Taylor, CC Brown, Charles Tillman, and Brian Mitchell to name a few.

(12-23-2010 05:27 PM)rocketincbus Wrote:  Zona would beat Pitt and Rutgers. Would be a game with A&M, but still A&M hasnt done much in awhile.

That is also debatable. I don't know that I'd be prepared to say that. Maybe they would all get beaten by Arizona but not by the bloody pulp that Toledo was beaten. Arizona took Toledo to the woodshed early in the season proving to the nation that even a team with a so-so defense can keep Toledo out of the endzone. Arizona wound up losing five games. That is not a Top 25 team.

I still would like to know how Toledo manages to lose 20-15 to a 3-9 Wyoming team at home? It's not like Toledo and Wyoming play each other on a regular basis, have rival potential, or know each other's programs well. That loss to Wyoming is very glaring to me. I really believe that Pittsburgh, Rutgers, and Texas A&M would not lose to Wyoming in Laramie, much less in Toledo.

Another glaring issue with me is Toledo's defense giving up 65 points (the fifth most ever in the history of Toledo football) to Northern Illinois. You'd think that Toledo played Oregon giving up that many points, but no sir. It was a fellow conference member--albeit a great one but not one that should've been allowed to score at will.

Another issue I take with Toledo is giving up 31 points to 3-9 Central Michigan. Florida International only gave up 31 points or more four times this year and none of those teams won as few games as Central Michigan did. In fact, only one team below .500 (Louisiana-Monroe at 5-7) made it to 31 points against FIU's redzone defense. This offensive breakdown for Toledo against a 3-9 team came in the very last game of the season. They needed 42 points to beat a team who was already counted out of bowl contention.

Yes. Raging Cajun fan. Your such a power house yourselves. With great passion and football history. Must be nice to never catch a team on any weekend because your program sucks.

really thats it? K-St and Texas A&M???

(12-23-2010 05:41 PM)rocketincbus Wrote:  Yes. Raging Cajun fan. Your such a power house yourselves. With great passion and football history. Must be nice to never catch a team on any weekend because your program sucks.

yep, we sure do. you got me and my shoddy team, we suck horribly. oh whatever shall we do

if you understood Northern's hatred of Toledo for years, you'd understand the 65. We've denied them glory year after year. This was the year they could finally take it to us and they did.

Arizona was trying to prove to the nation early on that they were legit.

How's that debatable either? Pitt is pathetic, and Rutgers even more. I believe that any of them could lose in laramie.

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EMU only lost by 1 to the conferance champs... Oh well that means we are competitive!!! right? thats all the Sun Belt argues.

All we can argue is stats, wins and losses, and OOC play. Toledo=+1 over FIU OOC........ Toledo=+1 over FIU in confereance play........... the MTSU of our conferance is WMU 6-6, and we crushed them in Kalamazoo. the SBC got lucky they have 3 tie ins because a 6-6 non AQ team should not be able to go to a bowl... comeone now. The MAC missed out on an 8-4, because The MAC has too many!!!! bowl eligible teams, You know a conferance has superiority when the SBC scrambled to even get 3 eligible teams and at that they are 6-6 for god sake. Win some OOC games if you want to pad the record, it does no good playing Pitt and Rutgers if you dont win, geesh at that point throw in a D1-AA team to get another win. The MAC does it, the only differance is MAC teams can beat regular D1-A programs also. I could honestly care less how you play in your own conferance, as you could care less how we do. So the only thing to show your strength is OOC wins, and you have 0

the wyoming game was pathetic, with our other QB... but thats an excuse, we didn't come ready to play and they beat us. They would have some more wins too if they didn't play Boise, TCU, Airforce, BYU, maybe Utah. Then they would be a 5-7 team... Just like FAU who beat FIU. Wyoming is not as bad as their record says but whatever I take it as it is. a Loss. at least Toledo beat Purdue... by 11.... on the road.... after a 17-0 half time score....

(12-23-2010 05:48 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  EMU only lost by 1 to the conferance champs... Oh well that means we are competitive!!! right? thats all the Sun Belt argues.

All we can argue is stats, wins and losses, and OOC play. Toledo=+1 over FIU OOC........ Toledo=+1 over FIU in confereance play........... the MTSU of our conferance is WMU 6-6, and we crushed them in Kalamazoo. the SBC got lucky they have 3 tie ins because a 6-6 non AQ team should not be able to go to a bowl... comeone now. The MAC missed out on an 8-4, because The MAC has too many!!!! bowl eligible teams, You know a conferance has superiority when the SBC scrambled to even get 3 eligible teams and at that they are 6-6 for god sake. Win some OOC games if you want to pad the record, it does no good playing Pitt and Rutgers if you dont win, geesh at that point throw in a D1-AA team to get another win. The MAC does it, the only differance is MAC teams can beat regular D1-A programs also. I could honestly care less how you play in your own conferance, as you could care less how we do. So the only thing to show your strength is OOC wins, and you have 0

C'mon, buddy. Get real. The Mid-American Conference has 13 teams and over half of them help to stack the win columns of the four of five higher-ranked teams like Toledo who (like FIU despite playing fewer conference games) only had one win against a team with a winning record and it was to the team that got leveled by the Troy team that FIU beat.

And if you want to take issue with Temple's lack of inclusion in a bowl game, don't be griping out the Sun Belt Conference or anyone else. That responsibility falls squarely on the shoulders of Jon Steinbrecher and the leadership of the Mid-American Conference for not doing enough to better market its teams for bowl bids. You have 13 teams and only three primary bids to show for it, and one of those bids may be out the door in the next three years as the Humanitarian Bowl sits on very shaky ground.

You had your chance with the International Bowl and your fans did not rise to the occasion to ensure the viability of that bowl. Temple's failure to make a bowl is no one's fault but the Mid-American Conference.