A good analogy is UCONN women's basketball = soccer. ESPN is trying its hardest to make the UCONN womens' streak seem important or like something people should care about. It is the same thing that happens during the World Cup, when the network tries its hardest to convince people that don't care why they should be interested in soccer.

(12-20-2010 02:11 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  A good analogy is UCONN women's basketball = soccer. ESPN is trying its hardest to make the UCONN womens' streak seem important or like something people should care about. It is the same thing that happens during the World Cup, when the network tries its hardest to convince people that don't care why they should be interested in soccer.

Regardless of the sport, an 88-game win streak is impressive, and therefore important. Just like you to minimize any accomplishment of a BE program.

(12-20-2010 01:40 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  

(12-19-2010 05:22 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  We'll find out in February...

hey bit are those b17 bombers, my dads plane..

No. The B-17 had 4 engines. I think it's this plane...

The German Junker JU-88

(12-20-2010 02:11 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  A good analogy is UCONN women's basketball = soccer. ESPN is trying its hardest to make the UCONN womens' streak seem important or like something people should care about. It is the same thing that happens during the World Cup, when the network tries its hardest to convince people that don't care why they should be interested in soccer.

THANK YOU. In the end, this story has about as much significance as the Reds' playoff appearance last year: it's nice for the locals who have nothing better to do, nobody else outside a 15 mile radius of the city really even knew it happened, and a week later it was forgotten anyway.

(12-20-2010 04:37 PM)CD11 Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 02:11 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  A good analogy is UCONN women's basketball = soccer. ESPN is trying its hardest to make the UCONN womens' streak seem important or like something people should care about. It is the same thing that happens during the World Cup, when the network tries its hardest to convince people that don't care why they should be interested in soccer.

THANK YOU. In the end, this story has about as much significance as the Reds' playoff appearance last year: it's nice for the locals who have nothing better to do, nobody else outside a 15 mile radius of the city really even knew it happened, and a week later it was forgotten anyway.

That's your opinion and you know what they say about opinions.. Every a*****e got one.

Dicky V apparently think it is worth more than you think:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/dickvital...id=5939148

The ladies will extend this streak and they will part of the history forever. There is nothing naysayers can do about that whether they like it or not.

(12-20-2010 03:03 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 02:11 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  A good analogy is UCONN women's basketball = soccer. ESPN is trying its hardest to make the UCONN womens' streak seem important or like something people should care about. It is the same thing that happens during the World Cup, when the network tries its hardest to convince people that don't care why they should be interested in soccer.

Regardless of the sport, an 88-game win streak is impressive, and therefore important. Just like you to minimize any accomplishment of a BE program.

The guy is on the BE forum but he is also one of the biggest BE haters out there.

I wonder what he will say if UCONN by some miracle does beat OU in the Fiesta Bowl. Our Scout board is full of Sooner fans left and right talking football. I got to say they are a good bunch of fans. Real cool comparing to the South Carolina fans last year who talked out of their butts most of the time.

(12-20-2010 03:03 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 02:11 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  A good analogy is UCONN women's basketball = soccer. ESPN is trying its hardest to make the UCONN womens' streak seem important or like something people should care about. It is the same thing that happens during the World Cup, when the network tries its hardest to convince people that don't care why they should be interested in soccer.

Regardless of the sport, an 88-game win streak is impressive, and therefore important. Just like you to minimize any accomplishment of a BE program.

My reaction would be exactly the same if this was Pat Summit doing it at Tennessee. I'm sure it's important to the UConn ladies but women's college basketball is pretty insignificant to most people. If you don't agree with that statement, show me the tv ratings to prove me wrong.

(12-20-2010 01:37 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 06:43 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 06:39 AM)frogman Wrote:  

(12-19-2010 08:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  the Uconn ladies are indeed awesome, but their streak should not be compared to a men's basketball streak. UCLA faced far tougher competition.

I can't believe someone would make the competition comparison. That's sort of disrespect to the womens game and their accomplishment. UCLA were men competing against the best male competition of their day and UCONN are women competing against the best women of their day.

Remember, i'm the one trying to end comparisons, not make them. Sadly, the media has compared this Uconn streak with the UCLA streak, which is silly, since the different levels of competition make it apples to oranges.

You compare accomplishments based on competition against your peers. Do you see anyone downplay UCLA's 88 game winning streak because it wasn't played against NBA competition? Downplaying what UCONN women has accomplished is purely based on sexism and nothing more. Those girls did it against other college girls. UCLA did it against college men. UCONN's women's streak is not any less than UCLA's streak.

Let's face it: men's b-ball, like the NBA, is big time, women's b-ball isn't. And that's true no matter how many fans at UT show up to watch pat summits teams or at Uconn to watch Genos.

Might as well get all excited about some 100 game streak by a high school team.

(12-20-2010 05:20 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 03:03 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 02:11 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  A good analogy is UCONN women's basketball = soccer. ESPN is trying its hardest to make the UCONN womens' streak seem important or like something people should care about. It is the same thing that happens during the World Cup, when the network tries its hardest to convince people that don't care why they should be interested in soccer.

Regardless of the sport, an 88-game win streak is impressive, and therefore important. Just like you to minimize any accomplishment of a BE program.

My reaction would be exactly the same if this was Pat Summit doing it at Tennessee. I'm sure it's important to the UConn ladies but women's college basketball is pretty insignificant to most people. If you don't agree with that statement, show me the tv ratings to prove me wrong.

I already posted how much revenue the program generated relative to other sports. If you want the info, learn to read or look for the info yourself. I am not going to waste my time trying to convince a rock to change its mind.

BTW, I really don't care about what you think either way.

(12-20-2010 05:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 01:37 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 06:43 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 06:39 AM)frogman Wrote:  

(12-19-2010 08:54 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  the Uconn ladies are indeed awesome, but their streak should not be compared to a men's basketball streak. UCLA faced far tougher competition.

I can't believe someone would make the competition comparison. That's sort of disrespect to the womens game and their accomplishment. UCLA were men competing against the best male competition of their day and UCONN are women competing against the best women of their day.

Remember, i'm the one trying to end comparisons, not make them. Sadly, the media has compared this Uconn streak with the UCLA streak, which is silly, since the different levels of competition make it apples to oranges.

You compare accomplishments based on competition against your peers. Do you see anyone downplay UCLA's 88 game winning streak because it wasn't played against NBA competition? Downplaying what UCONN women has accomplished is purely based on sexism and nothing more. Those girls did it against other college girls. UCLA did it against college men. UCONN's women's streak is not any less than UCLA's streak.

Let's face it: men's b-ball, like the NBA, is big time, women's b-ball isn't. And that's true no matter how many fans at UT show up to watch pat summits teams or at Uconn to watch Genos.

Might as well get all excited about some 100 game streak by a high school team.

Let me put it in perspective for you, which sport is more popular depends on the person watching it.

Women's basketball to you is a total waste of time. I understand that. Never mind the fact that it is the 3rd most popular college sport outside football and men's basketball.

World cup soccer to you is a joke to you, I get that too. To rest of the world, it has some importance I am sure even you and Savage know that.

American football, to you, is the greatest sports on earth. I get that too. To rest of the world, it is like watching paint dry. Frankly outside of the USA, no one cares.

At end of the day, it just depends on who is watching and who actually cares.

(12-20-2010 06:30 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 05:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 01:37 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 06:43 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 06:39 AM)frogman Wrote:  I can't believe someone would make the competition comparison. That's sort of disrespect to the womens game and their accomplishment. UCLA were men competing against the best male competition of their day and UCONN are women competing against the best women of their day.

Remember, i'm the one trying to end comparisons, not make them. Sadly, the media has compared this Uconn streak with the UCLA streak, which is silly, since the different levels of competition make it apples to oranges.

You compare accomplishments based on competition against your peers. Do you see anyone downplay UCLA's 88 game winning streak because it wasn't played against NBA competition? Downplaying what UCONN women has accomplished is purely based on sexism and nothing more. Those girls did it against other college girls. UCLA did it against college men. UCONN's women's streak is not any less than UCLA's streak.

Let's face it: men's b-ball, like the NBA, is big time, women's b-ball isn't. And that's true no matter how many fans at UT show up to watch pat summits teams or at Uconn to watch Genos.

Might as well get all excited about some 100 game streak by a high school team.

Let me put it in perspective for you, which sport is more popular depends on the person watching it.

Women's basketball to you is a total waste of time. I understand that. Never mind the fact that it is the 3rd most popular college sport outside football and men's basketball.

In this post you adopt a subjective perspective when the better one is objective: Objectively, women's college basketball is a small-time thing compared to men's college basketball. By every objective measure - attendance (e.g., 27 million to 8 million for division I programs in 2010), money, tv ratings, media attention, etc. there is no comparison, so comparing Uconn to UCLA is silly.

Our subjective feelings -whether you or i personally care or don't care about women's b-ball, is irrelevant.

(12-20-2010 06:45 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 06:30 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 05:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 01:37 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 06:43 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Remember, i'm the one trying to end comparisons, not make them. Sadly, the media has compared this Uconn streak with the UCLA streak, which is silly, since the different levels of competition make it apples to oranges.

You compare accomplishments based on competition against your peers. Do you see anyone downplay UCLA's 88 game winning streak because it wasn't played against NBA competition? Downplaying what UCONN women has accomplished is purely based on sexism and nothing more. Those girls did it against other college girls. UCLA did it against college men. UCONN's women's streak is not any less than UCLA's streak.

Let's face it: men's b-ball, like the NBA, is big time, women's b-ball isn't. And that's true no matter how many fans at UT show up to watch pat summits teams or at Uconn to watch Genos.

Might as well get all excited about some 100 game streak by a high school team.

Let me put it in perspective for you, which sport is more popular depends on the person watching it.

Women's basketball to you is a total waste of time. I understand that. Never mind the fact that it is the 3rd most popular college sport outside football and men's basketball.

In this post you adopt a subjective perspective when the better one is objective: Objectively, women's college basketball is a small-time thing compared to men's college basketball. By every objective measure - attendance (e.g., 27 million to 8 million for division I programs in 2010), money, tv ratings, media attention, etc. there is no comparison, so comparing Uconn to UCLA is silly.

Our subjective feelings -whether you or i personally care or don't care about women's b-ball, is irrelevant.

Whats your point? This isn't some popularity contest between men's and women's basketball. It is about a streak of excellence. If you can't accept this simple fact then please don't debate this issue anymore.

(12-20-2010 07:00 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 06:45 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 06:30 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 05:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 01:37 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  You compare accomplishments based on competition against your peers. Do you see anyone downplay UCLA's 88 game winning streak because it wasn't played against NBA competition? Downplaying what UCONN women has accomplished is purely based on sexism and nothing more. Those girls did it against other college girls. UCLA did it against college men. UCONN's women's streak is not any less than UCLA's streak.

Let's face it: men's b-ball, like the NBA, is big time, women's b-ball isn't. And that's true no matter how many fans at UT show up to watch pat summits teams or at Uconn to watch Genos.

Might as well get all excited about some 100 game streak by a high school team.

Let me put it in perspective for you, which sport is more popular depends on the person watching it.

Women's basketball to you is a total waste of time. I understand that. Never mind the fact that it is the 3rd most popular college sport outside football and men's basketball.

In this post you adopt a subjective perspective when the better one is objective: Objectively, women's college basketball is a small-time thing compared to men's college basketball. By every objective measure - attendance (e.g., 27 million to 8 million for division I programs in 2010), money, tv ratings, media attention, etc. there is no comparison, so comparing Uconn to UCLA is silly.

Our subjective feelings -whether you or i personally care or don't care about women's b-ball, is irrelevant.

Whats your point? This isn't some popularity contest between men's and women's basketball. It is about a streak of excellence. If you can't accept this simple fact then please don't debate this issue anymore.

What? My very first statement was a tip of the hat acknowledging the greatness of Uconn women's b-ball. I only added that the media comparisons with UCLA were silly.

(12-21-2010 12:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 07:00 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 06:45 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 06:30 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(12-20-2010 05:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Let's face it: men's b-ball, like the NBA, is big time, women's b-ball isn't. And that's true no matter how many fans at UT show up to watch pat summits teams or at Uconn to watch Genos.

Might as well get all excited about some 100 game streak by a high school team.

Let me put it in perspective for you, which sport is more popular depends on the person watching it.

Women's basketball to you is a total waste of time. I understand that. Never mind the fact that it is the 3rd most popular college sport outside football and men's basketball.

In this post you adopt a subjective perspective when the better one is objective: Objectively, women's college basketball is a small-time thing compared to men's college basketball. By every objective measure - attendance (e.g., 27 million to 8 million for division I programs in 2010), money, tv ratings, media attention, etc. there is no comparison, so comparing Uconn to UCLA is silly.

Our subjective feelings -whether you or i personally care or don't care about women's b-ball, is irrelevant.

Whats your point? This isn't some popularity contest between men's and women's basketball. It is about a streak of excellence. If you can't accept this simple fact then please don't debate this issue anymore.

What? My very first statement was a tip of the hat acknowledging the greatness of Uconn women's b-ball. I only added that the media comparisons with UCLA were silly.

It is just your way of giving more back handed compliments. It means nothing. A streak is a streak whether it is in basketball, football or whatever. Media never claimed women's basketball equal men's basketball. That would be silly.

As for whether someone cares or not, UCONN women's game at Stanford Dec 30th tickets are going for $55 to $250 a seat on Stubhub. Normal Stanford tickets go for $10 to $20. I was going to check out the game but these prices are pretty steep. Obviously someone cares out here in the Bay Area.

ESPN is also doing a 5 hour special on Huskies run for perfection. It will be on ESPN U today.

The UCONN streak itself is extremely impressive by any measure.

That being said, it's grating to me hearing ESPN continuously comparing it to the UCLA streak, and it has NOTHING to do with whether the men's sport is better or more popular. It's just that men's basketball and women's basketball are DIFFERENT SPORTS! Japanese baseball records aren't compared with MLB records. Canadian football records aren't compared with NFL records. Even more on point, women's Olympic records aren't compared with men's Olympic records. When was the last time you heard anyone compare a women's track team with a men's track team? No one does that. Yet, ESPN seems to be lumping men's and women's basketball records together when it hasn't done so for anything else.

Once again, this is not to downgrade UCONN's accomplishments - it's a massive achievement to win that many games in a row no matter what the sport. I just think it's completely disingenuous to think that the women's record has anything to do with the men's record - they are completely separate sports. They even have different rules (different balls, separate 3-point lines).

(12-23-2010 02:27 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  The UCONN streak itself is extremely impressive by any measure.

That being said, it's grating to me hearing ESPN continuously comparing it to the UCLA streak, and it has NOTHING to do with whether the men's sport is better or more popular. It's just that men's basketball and women's basketball are DIFFERENT SPORTS! Japanese baseball records aren't compared with MLB records. Canadian football records aren't compared with NFL records. Even more on point, women's Olympic records aren't compared with men's Olympic records. When was the last time you heard anyone compare a women's track team with a men's track team? No one does that. Yet, ESPN seems to be lumping men's and women's basketball records together when it hasn't done so for anything else.

Once again, this is not to downgrade UCONN's accomplishments - it's a massive achievement to win that many games in a row no matter what the sport. I just think it's completely disingenuous to think that the women's record has anything to do with the men's record - they are completely separate sports. They even have different rules (different balls, separate 3-point lines).

Frank I agree with you. I think UCONN women stands on its own. The only similarity between UCONN women and UCLA men is that both are long winning streaks. I am tired of people keep comparing men to women in basketball cause it makes no sense. Kemba Walker isn't going 1-on-1 against Maya Moore anytime soon. If they did, Kemba will score on Maya anytime he wants. I am pretty sure Maya is not even better than any of the walk-on player at UCONN men's team.

Geno put it best - "We are not UCLA. We are Connecticut. And this, it is good enough for us".

I am just glad UCONN brand is in the news 24x7 for the last few weeks. UCONN will continue to be in the news until the streak is broken, which could be awhile.

Also, if Calhoun retires and Geno is new men's coach, I would not complain. I think the guy is one of the best coaches out there in basketball men or women.