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(12-19-2010 01:06 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Toledo's other QB threw 7 tds this year and 9 ints, (something close to that, I dont remember exactly)
In the same amount of games TO has thrown 12 TD's and only 2 int's. And Toledo has found a running game.
A drastically different offense from the beginning of the season.

That's nice to know. What about Toledo's defense that gave up 31 points to Central Michigan, 24 points to Ball State, 21 points to Kent State, and 65 points to Northern Illinois? I understand NIU has a good team, but Toledo made their offense look like Oregon!

How will Toledo's defense fair against an FIU team that does a good job putting up points against teams like Toledo.
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CMU had a beter Sagarin than FIU lol. Mostly capitalizing off of punt blocks and such.
against Ball state we soptted them 17-0 in the first quarter, and KSU we spotted them 21-0 in the first quarter. Then we shut Kent state down to 2 first downs in the second half and we won by 13.
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FIU beat WKU by 7
same with Arkansas state...
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(12-19-2010 11:20 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  FIU beat WKU by 7
same with Arkansas state...

Yes, and Western Kentucky and Arkansas State still scored more points in their games against FIU than Toledo managed against the Ohio team that gave up 31 points to Louisiana-Lafayette and 48 to Troy.

Sorry, but you need to learn a few things:

#1. Consider taking time to learn more about the Sun Belt because you apparently don't know enough.

#2. MAC affilation does not automatically guarantee wins against Sun Belt teams.

#3. The higher rated Sagarin Rating team doesn't always beat the teams rated lower.

#4. You should take your conversation somewhere else if you are unwilling to show the least bit of objectivity in the discussion and give a conference a little bit of credit that it has earned.


I have offered much praise to the MAC for its consistent ability to produce 3-4 teams with solid records. I gave NIU much praise for the season they have had. I can give the MAC credit. Why can't you do the same for the Sun Belt? I'm a BYU fan too. My position is unbiased. Yours, on the other hand, is elitist without just-cause, and it is that kind of attitude which I have no respect for from fans of non-AQ schools like yours.
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WKU, our last-place team, would whip Toledo, and so would North Texas.

Lance Dunbar would make them like it.
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I am very biased I agree, I will defend the MAC until the end.
I know lower teams in sagarin win DUH! I watched the OU game! but its not an injustice to Troy for being lower than OU its because of the teams they play and margin of victory! the computers aren't wrong! how can someone complain about statistics.
I am not saying that Toledo will win because they are ranked higher in Sagarin??? It will be a good game, just hopefully UT on top.
I will give the SBC credit when they beat up on the MAC, I dont disrespect the SBC but as of the regular season the SBC is the only conferance worse than the SBC so I will take my shots while i've got the chance. I will talk smack all I want until the Sun Belt can prove to me in all three games that they are better than us.
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(12-19-2010 11:20 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  FIU beat WKU by 7
same with Arkansas state...

And Troy beat WKU by 14.

If we're using your syllogism process then WKU would have beat your East division runner up by 13.

You're losing every argument you join here.
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(12-19-2010 12:37 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I am very biased I agree, I will defend the MAC until the end.
I know lower teams in sagarin win DUH! I watched the OU game! but its not an injustice to Troy for being lower than OU its because of the teams they play and margin of victory! the computers aren't wrong! how can someone complain about statistics.
I am not saying that Toledo will win because they are ranked higher in Sagarin??? It will be a good game, just hopefully UT on top.
I will give the SBC credit when they beat up on the MAC, I dont disrespect the SBC but as of the regular season the SBC is the only conferance worse than the SBC so I will take my shots while i've got the chance. I will talk smack all I want until the Sun Belt can prove to me in all three games that they are better than us.

Because it's fun talking smack about a 10-year-old league? Very nice. How old is the MAC now? It's kinda' like a 50-year-old man talking crap to a 10-year-old kid. Very pathetic in my opinion.
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thats totally irrelevent? who cares how old the league is, i will not give them sympathy because their league is younger than ours. What a joke.
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(12-19-2010 12:42 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  
(12-19-2010 11:20 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  FIU beat WKU by 7
same with Arkansas state...

And Troy beat WKU by 14.

If we're using your syllogism process then WKU would have beat your East division runner up by 13.

You're losing every argument you join here.

I said FIU beat WKU by 7, not Troy.
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(12-19-2010 12:53 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  
(12-19-2010 12:42 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  
(12-19-2010 11:20 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  FIU beat WKU by 7
same with Arkansas state...

And Troy beat WKU by 14.

If we're using your syllogism process then WKU would have beat your East division runner up by 13.

You're losing every argument you join here.

I said FIU beat WKU by 7, not Troy.

Just pointing out that if we're going to compare scores our 2-win WKU team would have beat the MAC's 8-win Ohio by 13.

You keep hanging onto ineffective systems (score comparisons and Sagarin) to show how the MAC is superior, and they end up showing that its not the case.
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I am defending the system not that the MAC is better BY the system.
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(12-19-2010 01:04 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I am defending the system not that the MAC is better BY the system.

Wofford played one MAC team (Ohio) and lost 33-10 and yet they are rated above Toledo; yeah that Sagarin system is really worth defending:

78 Wofford AA = 67.18
79 Toledo A = 67.17

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78 Wofford AA = 67.18
112 Troy A = 60.28
118 Fla. International A = 59.73
135 Arkansas State A = 56.55
153 Middle Tennessee A = 53.48
???

You sit here and tell me the sagain rankings are dumb then you compare UT and Woffard. They have 10 wins I am fine with that.
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(12-19-2010 01:44 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  78 Wofford AA = 67.18
112 Troy A = 60.28
118 Fla. International A = 59.73
135 Arkansas State A = 56.55
153 Middle Tennessee A = 53.48
???

You sit here and tell me the sagain rankings are dumb then you compare UT and Woffard. They have 10 wins I am fine with that.


Oh, I see. So 8 wins in the MAC (what Toledo has) guarantees a win against a Sun Belt team? Didn't Ohio have 8 wins?

While we're on the topic of beating good teams since I know you are very proud of your team's win over 4-8 Purdue. Granted, I feel this was a necessary and must-win game for the non-AQ. Crappier AQ teams seem to weasel wins out against non-AQ's.

I'm more interested in the fact that Toledo also lost to 3-9 Wyoming at home and was blasted by Boise State in a similar style to Utah State and Idaho.

I'm also wondering how Toledo only managed 2 points against overrated Arizona who saw at least more than 2 points from The Citadel and lost its last four games of the season.

I'm also wondering how Toledo gave up 65 points to Northern Illinois. Granted, NIU has a great team, but 65 points? Where was Toledo's defense? The 65 points NIU rang on Toledo is the fifth most points ever given up by a Toledo football team. Where has Toledo's defense been all year? 31 points were crafted in the season finale in Toledo by 3-9 Central Michigan. 24 points were earned by 4-8 Ball State in a game played in Toledo. 21 points were earned by 5-7 Kent State in a game also played in Toledo.

Toledo's best point totals of 2009? 42 against 3-9 Central Michigan and 42 against 2-10 Eastern Michigan. You know? FIU hung 52 points on a 8-5 Troy team. The most they've given up is 44 to an AQ team and 42 also to an AQ team.

Not just looking at the point totals, I believe that Florida International has an edge on defense and is just as good on offense when compared to Toledo. You better hope your team shows up. If they play FIU like Ohio did Troy, FIU will win in a laugher.
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Where in the post you quoted say anything about 8 wins? I said Woffard has 10 wins they deserve where they are, they are good? 8 wins what?
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(12-19-2010 01:44 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  78 Wofford AA = 67.18
112 Troy A = 60.28
118 Fla. International A = 59.73
135 Arkansas State A = 56.55
153 Middle Tennessee A = 53.48
???

You sit here and tell me the sagain rankings are dumb then you compare UT and Woffard. They have 10 wins I am fine with that.

If you want to concede that Wofford is a better football team than Toledo and should be rated above Toledo, that is your choice.

I do not believe that Wofford is a better football team than Toledo and I do not think they should be rated higher than Toledo.

Your defense of a senseless rating system is just amazing . . . 03-lmfao
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If the New York Giants play Western Kentucky like OU did against Troy WKU will win.
OU played aweful, yes if Toledo plays bad they will lose thats a given. In games FIU has had 2 or more Turnovers they have lost tho and UT averages 3+ a game. 14 Fumble recoveries and 19 int's. FIU needs to hold onto the ball if they want to win.

FIU is a good team I know this! FIU played tough in their losses thats true. But Toledo went 7-1 in a conferance similar to the SBC where FIU lost 2 games, to lesser teams than NIU. Does that count for anything? When it came down to it Toledo won the games they needed to. 7-1 with a loss to NIU is great. And they pulled off one of the four OOC games. Most thought it would be the Wyoming game but they beat Purdue instead. I dont think toledo will win because of their record I think they will win because its technically a home game, the seniors have never been there, Toledo is 8-2 in bowl history and they've got a good young team that I think will show up the 26th.
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(12-19-2010 02:16 PM)ManzanoWolf Wrote:  
(12-19-2010 01:44 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  78 Wofford AA = 67.18
112 Troy A = 60.28
118 Fla. International A = 59.73
135 Arkansas State A = 56.55
153 Middle Tennessee A = 53.48
???

You sit here and tell me the sagain rankings are dumb then you compare UT and Woffard. They have 10 wins I am fine with that.

If you want to concede that Wofford is a better football team than Toledo and should be rated above Toledo, that is your choice.

I do not believe that Wofford is a better football team than Toledo and I do not think they should be rated higher than Toledo.

Your defense of a senseless rating system is just amazing . . . 03-lmfao

How do you want to rank the teams then? What else can you do? They factor in basically every stat and margin you can. There is no fair way to do it. There will always be teams complaining about where they are ranked I just take it as it is. FIU fans, and MTSU fans if you think there is an injustice then blow out Toledo and Miami and show us that its consistantly wrong and needs to be scrapped and never used again.
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I don't need any evidence other than the fact that Wofford is ranked where it is to know that Sagarins system is bunk.
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