(12-03-2010 12:21 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote:  The loss of BJ and DF were not losses that hurt our team. IMO they were if anything big distractions for the rest of the team with their off the field issues. Plus, freeney wasn't dismissed until this fall after meet the pirates event. In any case the losses on offense had little if any affect on this year's results. That is I guess the main point I'm trying to get at and the mother ship says 29. I do realize that a few others were dismissed either this summer or late fall but, you could lump them in with this years losses more or less.

Freeney is gone because of off the field issues ie grades, Brandon Jackson was give one last chance by Ruff and then got any legal trouble again, Ruffin is going to put up with that so he was dismissed. The center maybe the only real trans. loss but, all 3 on the offensive side and didn't hurt, O-line has done a good job, RBs and WRs well the numbers we put up speak for them selves.

I understand your point but the bottom line is we have lost over 30 letterman off of last years team....So just admit you were wrong on the number. Now we can still debate how these additional losses hurt our team but the bottom line is they are gone.

(12-03-2010 12:04 AM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(12-02-2010 11:37 PM)Mission9 Wrote:  

(12-02-2010 11:26 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(12-02-2010 09:17 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(12-02-2010 08:12 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  I'll bite.

Both ECU and UCF would be great additions to the BE. However ECU would be a better addition because we (1) have more fans, which equals more viewers, (2) we have a much richer football history, (3) we offer a truly "new market" that the BE is not getting much (if any real) exposure in, (4) there are more "non-fans of ECU" that will associate ECU football with "success" than they will with UCF; by this I mean we have more history with being a "giant killer" than UCF does (they've never killed a giant...we were their biggest win of the year). We have beaten numerous BCS schools, including NCSU, UNC, VPI, Cincinnati (whom we have a large advantage over in wins -I'm not diggin at ya, but it's the truth, WVU, Syracuse, South Carolina, Wake Forest, Duke, TCU (soon to be a BE BCS school; we own a 2-1 winning record against them...the last time we beat them they were ranked), Louisville, Pittsburgh, Texas Tech and Virginia to name a few. Look at the ESPN/SB poll...although the sample size is small, this proves my point. We are even getting most of the vote in Pennsylvania. (6) Our Olympic sports are just as good as their OS are across the board, maybe better (with the exception of basketball). (6) Finally, we "command" our market better than UCF does; this has to do with, once again, the fans.

There is no arrogance here...it''s just the facts. I could argue that we even have more potential than UCF because we do not have the same amount of football competition throughout our region as they do, plus if we have done this well until now and they have not, just think what we could do with BCS access.

I guess at the end of the day, the BE will have to decide between percieved potential vs. reality. It's like hiring an employee to work for you; any good business man will ALWAYS choose experience (by looking at the prospect's accomplishments and numbers as of late and over time) over a prospect who "may" bring something to the table.

At the end of the day, both ECU and UCF will be in BCS conferences...most likely with the current BE football schools.

We weren't in the BCS when you won those games and Cincinnati has a three game winning streak vs you so using past wins as an example in this case is ridiculous.

Think about what you just said and remember the history of the BCS.

No, it's not ridiculous to say that. We were beating South Carolina, Pittsburgh and NCSU, West Virginia, Syracuse and others before they were BCS as well. Remember that it's only been around since 1999.

If we beat you then on a level playing field then, it is very safe to say that we would beat you again on a level playing field now. I'm not saying that we would have won this year...but it would have been 50%/50%.

I agree that 50 percent of your team would compete well against a Big East team and 50 percent would not.

Ahhh, you have got to love the folks who make a smart-alec response in a debate and then claim "Victory!" even though their response makes no sense whatsoever.

In response to your statement I will say that if your think that all of the BE teams would definitely win over us NOW, even with all of the injuries, then you are sadly mistaken. I know that USF, WVU and UCONN would win...I'm pretty certain of that. But Rutgers, Syracuse and Cinci? I am not so sure they would beat us consistently. Louisville would be a toss-up, even though they have been playing better as of late. Who knows with Pitt...they are good at times and really bad at times too.

BTW, what are the USF fans thinking of Skip? He's a good coach...and he will win a BE championship for ya'll.

Your offense has looked good and is dangerous. Your defense would not be able to stop anybody in the Big East. If your team had just a mediocre defense, you would have won CUSA again. Most are happy with Skip. The team has improved throughout they year and are winning some games which they might have lost earlier in the season.

(12-03-2010 07:00 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(12-03-2010 02:05 AM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(12-03-2010 12:04 AM)Ned Low Wrote:  In response to your statement I will say that if your think that all of the BE teams would definitely win over us NOW, even with all of the injuries, then you are sadly mistaken. I know that USF, WVU and UCONN would win...I'm pretty certain of that. But Rutgers, Syracuse and Cinci? I am not so sure they would beat us consistently. Louisville would be a toss-up, even though they have been playing better as of late.

I'm not trying to throw needless stones, but I was glad to see ECU is not headed to St. Pete. The reason is I suspect that's where UofL is headed, and to be honest, I want a game.

ECU gave up 55 a game over their last 5. Considering that anyone and everyone was scoring on the Pirates and UofL has a top 20 scoring defense, I think the Cards would roll in this one.

As for a 3rd party opinion, Sagarin has ECU as at least a touchdown dog (or more) to WVU, Pitt, UofL, UConn, & USF. He favors UC and Syracuse by 5 over the Pirates. Only Rutgers would be an underdog to ECU.

And I assure you ECU would give Louisville a game this year...You guys would probably win but it would not be a cake walk.

While I agree that it's good you made a bowl with all of those departures, we'll have to agree to disagree on ECU giving UofL a game. I see a team giving up 55 a game over the last month and who was out of the game by mid 3rd quarter multiple times against teams rated lower than Louisville.

(12-03-2010 03:27 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(12-03-2010 07:00 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(12-03-2010 02:05 AM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(12-03-2010 12:04 AM)Ned Low Wrote:  In response to your statement I will say that if your think that all of the BE teams would definitely win over us NOW, even with all of the injuries, then you are sadly mistaken. I know that USF, WVU and UCONN would win...I'm pretty certain of that. But Rutgers, Syracuse and Cinci? I am not so sure they would beat us consistently. Louisville would be a toss-up, even though they have been playing better as of late.

I'm not trying to throw needless stones, but I was glad to see ECU is not headed to St. Pete. The reason is I suspect that's where UofL is headed, and to be honest, I want a game.

ECU gave up 55 a game over their last 5. Considering that anyone and everyone was scoring on the Pirates and UofL has a top 20 scoring defense, I think the Cards would roll in this one.

As for a 3rd party opinion, Sagarin has ECU as at least a touchdown dog (or more) to WVU, Pitt, UofL, UConn, & USF. He favors UC and Syracuse by 5 over the Pirates. Only Rutgers would be an underdog to ECU.

And I assure you ECU would give Louisville a game this year...You guys would probably win but it would not be a cake walk.

While I agree that it's good you made a bowl with all of those departures, we'll have to agree to disagree on ECU giving UofL a game. I see a team giving up 55 a game over the last month and who was out of the game by mid 3rd quarter multiple times against teams rated lower than Louisville.

It's interesting that you think Louisville would roll ECU this year...ECU's offense has not been stopped by anyone, really all year...VT gave up 27 points, but you think your defense, in a neutral setting is all that. That defense gave up 35 against Cincy, 35 against Oregon State and 27 against USF (not necessarily the best O). ECU's offense is ranked 22nd in the country, 7th in passing, which pretty much negates your stat. You D has faced very many good O's and it would be a game.

(12-03-2010 04:38 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(12-03-2010 03:27 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(12-03-2010 07:00 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(12-03-2010 02:05 AM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(12-03-2010 12:04 AM)Ned Low Wrote:  In response to your statement I will say that if your think that all of the BE teams would definitely win over us NOW, even with all of the injuries, then you are sadly mistaken. I know that USF, WVU and UCONN would win...I'm pretty certain of that. But Rutgers, Syracuse and Cinci? I am not so sure they would beat us consistently. Louisville would be a toss-up, even though they have been playing better as of late.

I'm not trying to throw needless stones, but I was glad to see ECU is not headed to St. Pete. The reason is I suspect that's where UofL is headed, and to be honest, I want a game.

ECU gave up 55 a game over their last 5. Considering that anyone and everyone was scoring on the Pirates and UofL has a top 20 scoring defense, I think the Cards would roll in this one.

As for a 3rd party opinion, Sagarin has ECU as at least a touchdown dog (or more) to WVU, Pitt, UofL, UConn, & USF. He favors UC and Syracuse by 5 over the Pirates. Only Rutgers would be an underdog to ECU.

And I assure you ECU would give Louisville a game this year...You guys would probably win but it would not be a cake walk.

While I agree that it's good you made a bowl with all of those departures, we'll have to agree to disagree on ECU giving UofL a game. I see a team giving up 55 a game over the last month and who was out of the game by mid 3rd quarter multiple times against teams rated lower than Louisville.

It's interesting that you think Louisville would roll ECU this year...ECU's offense has not been stopped by anyone, really all year...VT gave up 27 points, but you think your defense, in a neutral setting is all that. That defense gave up 35 against Cincy, 35 against Oregon State and 27 against USF (not necessarily the best O). ECU's offense is ranked 22nd in the country, 7th in passing, which pretty much negates your stat. You D has faced very many good O's and it would be a game.

I never said ECU wouldn't score. I think UofL's defense is pretty good, but I'd expect ECU to definitely score at least in the 20's, maybe in the 30's. I'll go back to this. ECU is giving up 55 a game. I'm out on the topic at this point though.

Not to get this thread about Louisville. But, I believe Louisville would beat ECU. And Louisville will probably from now on dominate this league till their new coach bolts for the SEC if he does

(12-02-2010 08:12 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(12-02-2010 05:08 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  [quote='bitcruncher' pid='5978766' dateline='1291326992']
If you wanted no argument between fans of the 2 schools, you shouldn't have started a new thread to ask this question you asked of an individual in another thread. It looks to me like you're trying to provoke a fight in multiple threads...

I'll bite.

Both ECU and UCF would be great additions to the BE. However ECU would be a better addition because we (1) have more fans, which equals more viewers, (2) we have a much richer football history, (3) we offer a truly "new market" that the BE is not getting much (if any real) exposure in, (4) there are more "non-fans of ECU" that will associate ECU football with "success" than they will with UCF; by this I mean we have more history with being a "giant killer" than UCF does (they've never killed a giant...we were their biggest win of the year). We have beaten numerous BCS schools, including NCSU, UNC, VPI, Cincinnati (whom we have a large advantage over in wins -I'm not diggin at ya, but it's the truth, WVU, Syracuse, South Carolina, Wake Forest, Duke, TCU (soon to be a BE BCS school; we own a 2-1 winning record against them...the last time we beat them they were ranked), Louisville, Pittsburgh, Texas Tech and Virginia to name a few. Look at the ESPN/SB poll...although the sample size is small, this proves my point. We are even getting most of the vote in Pennsylvania. (6) Our Olympic sports are just as good as their OS are across the board, maybe better (with the exception of basketball). (6) Finally, we "command" our market better than UCF does; this has to do with, once again, the fans.

There is no arrogance here...it''s just the facts. I could argue that we even have more potential than UCF because we do not have the same amount of football competition throughout our region as they do, plus if we have done this well until now and they have not, just think what we could do with BCS access.

I guess at the end of the day, the BE will have to decide between percieved potential vs. reality. It's like hiring an employee to work for you; any good business man will ALWAYS choose experience (by looking at the prospect's accomplishments and numbers as of late and over time) over a prospect who "may" bring something to the table.

At the end of the day, both ECU and UCF will be in BCS conferences...most likely with the current BE football schools.

Well i do disagree with a couple of points. Saying you have a better record against us pisses me off haha. But, truthfully most if not all these wins came when UC football was completely irrelevant. Also, I disagree with the business man analogy. If the person with potential trully can bring something great to the business then the employer will probably take the risk just like the big east might with ECU, UCF, Houston instead of waiting for a Kansas K-State Mizz. Finally, if the bigeast doesn't invite ECU and UCF then at the end of the day they aren't going to be in a BCS conference for at least 10-15 years because they aren't getting an invite from ACC or SEC.

I am not sure if the big east should take the chance with ECU or not and i am happy im not the one to decide. I do see a lot of potential for both ECU and UCF, but i could also see it being a disaster and those two teams being in the bottom fourth in football and bball for sure. I will say ECU easily has one of the most passionate fan bases in the nation though.

(12-03-2010 06:00 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  Not to get this thread about Louisville. But, I believe Louisville would beat ECU. And Louisville will probably from now on dominate this league till their new coach bolts for the SEC if he does

Oh, I agree that Louisville would probably win the game. I was just disputing the fact that they would blow us out....As long as you do not run the option our defense can get some stops. That 55 points per game was heavily inflated by the 2 teams that ran option football against us....For whatever reason our kids just can not stop that attack. I think it would be a close game for 3 quarters but due to our lack of depth, talent, and experience on the defensive side of ball I think you would wear us down and run it down out throats in the 4th quarter along with running out the clock.

If we can just find below average defense instead of the disaster we have on the field right now we would be hard to beat.....Holtz and company really left us with some serious personnel issues on that side of the ball and it is probably going to take us a few recruiting classes to recover.

(12-03-2010 06:18 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(12-02-2010 08:12 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(12-02-2010 05:08 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  [quote='bitcruncher' pid='5978766' dateline='1291326992']
If you wanted no argument between fans of the 2 schools, you shouldn't have started a new thread to ask this question you asked of an individual in another thread. It looks to me like you're trying to provoke a fight in multiple threads...

I'll bite.

Both ECU and UCF would be great additions to the BE. However ECU would be a better addition because we (1) have more fans, which equals more viewers, (2) we have a much richer football history, (3) we offer a truly "new market" that the BE is not getting much (if any real) exposure in, (4) there are more "non-fans of ECU" that will associate ECU football with "success" than they will with UCF; by this I mean we have more history with being a "giant killer" than UCF does (they've never killed a giant...we were their biggest win of the year). We have beaten numerous BCS schools, including NCSU, UNC, VPI, Cincinnati (whom we have a large advantage over in wins -I'm not diggin at ya, but it's the truth, WVU, Syracuse, South Carolina, Wake Forest, Duke, TCU (soon to be a BE BCS school; we own a 2-1 winning record against them...the last time we beat them they were ranked), Louisville, Pittsburgh, Texas Tech and Virginia to name a few. Look at the ESPN/SB poll...although the sample size is small, this proves my point. We are even getting most of the vote in Pennsylvania. (6) Our Olympic sports are just as good as their OS are across the board, maybe better (with the exception of basketball). (6) Finally, we "command" our market better than UCF does; this has to do with, once again, the fans.

There is no arrogance here...it''s just the facts. I could argue that we even have more potential than UCF because we do not have the same amount of football competition throughout our region as they do, plus if we have done this well until now and they have not, just think what we could do with BCS access.

I guess at the end of the day, the BE will have to decide between percieved potential vs. reality. It's like hiring an employee to work for you; any good business man will ALWAYS choose experience (by looking at the prospect's accomplishments and numbers as of late and over time) over a prospect who "may" bring something to the table.

At the end of the day, both ECU and UCF will be in BCS conferences...most likely with the current BE football schools.

Well i do disagree with a couple of points. Saying you have a better record against us pisses me off haha. But, truthfully most if not all these wins came when UC football was completely irrelevant. Also, I disagree with the business man analogy. If the person with potential trully can bring something great to the business then the employer will probably take the risk just like the big east might with ECU, UCF, Houston instead of waiting for a Kansas K-State Mizz. Finally, if the bigeast doesn't invite ECU and UCF then at the end of the day they aren't going to be in a BCS conference for at least 10-15 years because they aren't getting an invite from ACC or SEC.

I am not sure if the big east should take the chance with ECU or not and i am happy im not the one to decide. I do see a lot of potential for both ECU and UCF, but i could also see it being a disaster and those two teams being in the bottom fourth in football and bball for sure. I will say ECU easily has one of the most passionate fan bases in the nation though.

I can assure you that ECU on equal footing by being in the Big East would not be a perennial cellar dweller. In reality I think the Big East will have some more changes in the next few years and lose a couple of their "Bell Cow" programs. What you will end up seeing in the long run is something similar to the old CUSA in membership. I know you guys hate to hear that but it is really starting to look more and more like that kind of set-up.

some background on the fan base

23,000+ season tickets
+9,000 student season tickets purchased by students
= 32,000+ season tickets

Season ticket sales expected to rise quite a bit next year as we have a very attractive home schedule with 4 rivals at home (Va Tech, UNC, UCF and Southern Miss) and 1 neutral site game in Charlotte (South Carolina).

The Student Pirate Club is supposedly the largest student organization in the nation with 9,000 members paying for membership (get season tickets and t-shirt plus priority admission to other sports). Out of the 12,000 student ticket allotment on game day, 9,000 students choose to PAY for their tickets. Student section is sold out every game and the number grows to 13-14,000+ at games against teams that do not travel well. Membership allows them to earn points in the (real/main) Pirate Club. Definately sets a good foundation for support after they graduate.

We averaged 49,665 this year for a team that went 6-6, an increase of about 7,000 over last year.

(12-03-2010 06:18 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(12-02-2010 08:12 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(12-02-2010 05:08 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  [quote='bitcruncher' pid='5978766' dateline='1291326992']
If you wanted no argument between fans of the 2 schools, you shouldn't have started a new thread to ask this question you asked of an individual in another thread. It looks to me like you're trying to provoke a fight in multiple threads...

I'll bite.

Both ECU and UCF would be great additions to the BE. However ECU would be a better addition because we (1) have more fans, which equals more viewers, (2) we have a much richer football history, (3) we offer a truly "new market" that the BE is not getting much (if any real) exposure in, (4) there are more "non-fans of ECU" that will associate ECU football with "success" than they will with UCF; by this I mean we have more history with being a "giant killer" than UCF does (they've never killed a giant...we were their biggest win of the year). We have beaten numerous BCS schools, including NCSU, UNC, VPI, Cincinnati (whom we have a large advantage over in wins -I'm not diggin at ya, but it's the truth, WVU, Syracuse, South Carolina, Wake Forest, Duke, TCU (soon to be a BE BCS school; we own a 2-1 winning record against them...the last time we beat them they were ranked), Louisville, Pittsburgh, Texas Tech and Virginia to name a few. Look at the ESPN/SB poll...although the sample size is small, this proves my point. We are even getting most of the vote in Pennsylvania. (6) Our Olympic sports are just as good as their OS are across the board, maybe better (with the exception of basketball). (6) Finally, we "command" our market better than UCF does; this has to do with, once again, the fans.

There is no arrogance here...it''s just the facts. I could argue that we even have more potential than UCF because we do not have the same amount of football competition throughout our region as they do, plus if we have done this well until now and they have not, just think what we could do with BCS access.

I guess at the end of the day, the BE will have to decide between percieved potential vs. reality. It's like hiring an employee to work for you; any good business man will ALWAYS choose experience (by looking at the prospect's accomplishments and numbers as of late and over time) over a prospect who "may" bring something to the table.

At the end of the day, both ECU and UCF will be in BCS conferences...most likely with the current BE football schools.

Well i do disagree with a couple of points. Saying you have a better record against us pisses me off haha. But, truthfully most if not all these wins came when UC football was completely irrelevant. Also, I disagree with the business man analogy. If the person with potential trully can bring something great to the business then the employer will probably take the risk just like the big east might with ECU, UCF, Houston instead of waiting for a Kansas K-State Mizz. Finally, if the bigeast doesn't invite ECU and UCF then at the end of the day they aren't going to be in a BCS conference for at least 10-15 years because they aren't getting an invite from ACC or SEC.

I am not sure if the big east should take the chance with ECU or not and i am happy im not the one to decide. I do see a lot of potential for both ECU and UCF, but i could also see it being a disaster and those two teams being in the bottom fourth in football and bball for sure. I will say ECU easily has one of the most passionate fan bases in the nation though.

Dude we went 8-3 as a indy in 1983 lossing to FSU/Miami/UF by a combined 14 points and did go to a bowl game and still got ranked in the top 20, at that time the polls only went to 20. We did that almost 30 years ago as a D-1 indy, and 1991 again as a Indy we went 11-1 beating Pitt, Syracuse, and NCSU and ended ranked 9th. At that time we did have any of the advantages of belonging to a Confrense, ECU has come a LONG way since then and now have a 50,000 seat stadium that we are already selling out in C-USA, we have Clark-LeClair Stadium for baseball (How many BE schools can say they draw 5,500+ for baseball, we can), new soccer stadium, Softball, and Olypmic Sports Facility, and already past the half way mark on fund raising for the basketball practice facility (over 18 million in the sileint phase). All this we've done without being in a AQ confrence and as far as on the field goes we've beat Miami twice, NCSU 5 times, WVU a couple, Sout Carolina, UNC, Boise State, 8 bowl games, right now going to our 5th straight and have a 8-8 record in bowl games. With the same advantages that other AQ schools have we'll do fine.

You don't get a fan base a passionate as our by being just average or sucking.

(12-03-2010 08:20 PM)PirateNation Wrote:  some background on the fan base

23,000+ season tickets
+9,000 student season tickets purchased by students
= 32,000+ season tickets

We averaged 49,665 this year for a team that went 6-6, an increase of about 7,000 over last year.

That's a good showing. Very impressed with the nearly 50k average for ECU this year.

(12-03-2010 06:00 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  Not to get this thread about Louisville. But, I believe Louisville would beat ECU. And Louisville will probably from now on dominate this league till their new coach bolts for the SEC if he does

Louisville is the better program today and I agree would be favored to beat ECU. I would put ALL the BE programs in that same boat. They ALL have the advantage of being AQ. We are talking about a huge advantage in both $$$ to spend and recruiting ability. Why in the hell do you think both UCF and ECU want in the BE? This is not rocket science.

In regard to U of L dominating the BE...well...I see nothing that would indicate that is going to happen. The BE looks to have a lot of parity going on IMO.

If I'm not mistaken, we've beat NCSU 11 times, not 5.

(12-03-2010 09:59 PM)piratefan1975 Wrote:  If I'm not mistaken, we've beat NCSU 11 times, not 5.

Yes 11 total but, I guess I wasn't clear, was speaking in more recent years going back to 91 for State, going back to 83 it's 7 times and a total of 11 going back to the 70's. But, thats 40 year ago. Was just trying to keep it to more recent time frame. We have more wins against VT, but that was back when they were D-1 indy like us and not much different than ECU in football, BTW. The main difference was Lane Stadium was at 45K and they averaged more fans per game than ECU, but record and national standing back in the late 80 and early 90 VT and ECU were neck and neck.

I could post ECU's record against current AQ teams but, since some of those wins and teams weren't in one of the big 6 conferences when we beat them and no one had AQ status before 99, I didn't think it was the best thing to do. Was just pointing out what ECU did 83 and since 91 without having some of the advantages of others, and with those advantages we would do much, much more. Again sorry, should have made my point more clearly.

(12-03-2010 03:27 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(12-03-2010 07:00 AM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  

(12-03-2010 02:05 AM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(12-03-2010 12:04 AM)Ned Low Wrote:  In response to your statement I will say that if your think that all of the BE teams would definitely win over us NOW, even with all of the injuries, then you are sadly mistaken. I know that USF, WVU and UCONN would win...I'm pretty certain of that. But Rutgers, Syracuse and Cinci? I am not so sure they would beat us consistently. Louisville would be a toss-up, even though they have been playing better as of late.

I'm not trying to throw needless stones, but I was glad to see ECU is not headed to St. Pete. The reason is I suspect that's where UofL is headed, and to be honest, I want a game.

ECU gave up 55 a game over their last 5. Considering that anyone and everyone was scoring on the Pirates and UofL has a top 20 scoring defense, I think the Cards would roll in this one.

As for a 3rd party opinion, Sagarin has ECU as at least a touchdown dog (or more) to WVU, Pitt, UofL, UConn, & USF. He favors UC and Syracuse by 5 over the Pirates. Only Rutgers would be an underdog to ECU.

And I assure you ECU would give Louisville a game this year...You guys would probably win but it would not be a cake walk.

While I agree that it's good you made a bowl with all of those departures, we'll have to agree to disagree on ECU giving UofL a game. I see a team giving up 55 a game over the last month and who was out of the game by mid 3rd quarter multiple times against teams rated lower than Louisville.

51-20. That's why I wanted UofL to play Southern Miss instead of ECU.

Maryland is much better than Louisville. I hope that was a joke. By no means do I think we would have beaten the Cards, but MD > UL

(12-30-2010 09:04 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  Maryland is much better than Louisville. I hope that was a joke. By no means do I think we would have beaten the Cards, but MD > UL

No joke. As I said, glad we played someone who was competitive at the end of the year. ECU wouldn't have stopped a Pop Warner team running the ball and UofL had a 1,400 yard rusher.

It wasn't meant to compare the Cards and Terps, but since you brought it up, from Sagarin predictor ratings we have:

Maryland- 40th
UofL- 43rd
ECU- 87th

I guess the joke isn't on me.

(12-30-2010 09:04 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  Maryland is much better than Louisville. I hope that was a joke. By no means do I think we would have beaten the Cards, but MD > UL

That's your opinion, there's nothing based in reality that would back up your opinion other then the sting you're feeling from what Maryland did to ECU.

The way ECU finished the season, just about any team with a pulse on offense could beat them.