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RE: If ECU can bring all of NC
(11-17-2010 10:14 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  
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(11-16-2010 10:57 PM)MiamiBull2 Wrote:  The Big 10 network has been fairly successful not because of market but because the number of live events that network carries and the quality of competition.

The Big Ten Network makes 80-90% of its money from cable subsciber fees. That is the very definition of kaing money due to market size.

(11-16-2010 10:57 PM)MiamiBull2 Wrote:  I am starting to believe the entire idea of "markets" is really silly for college sports. SEC = small markets but also equals the highest TV viewership for football.

The SEC has a different marketing approach. Their contracts are purely national TV contracts, and they were paid extra to keep them from starting their own network. ESPN NEEDS all of these conferences and their games, otherwise ESPN2 dissappears from basic cable in many areas (or has a severe fee reduction), and ESPNU gets bumped up another tier. So they paid extra to ensure that did not happen.

And that's why the Big East Network WILL be successful. The Big East and Tagliabue have their research. Some people think it won't be successful but it will be. It will be very successful and expansion is geared towards it as well as TV deals. The ESPN/TV deal needs Philadelphia and TCU, and the Big East Network we could give them our current markets along with Philly, Orlando and Texas. It's about get hot and heavy people!

Don't people realize that the BIG EAST is already in the Orlando market due to cable agreements and USF being in the BIG EAST? IF there was a Big East network without UCF, it would not just be in Tampa but also in Orlando due to cable rights agreements. Don't people understand this?
11-18-2010 04:40 PM
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(11-18-2010 04:40 PM)MiamiBull2 Wrote:  Don't people realize that the BIG EAST is already in the Orlando market due to cable agreements and USF being in the BIG EAST? IF there was a Big East network without UCF, it would not just be in Tampa but also in Orlando due to cable rights agreements. Don't people understand this?

This is incorrect, at least in monetary terms. For example, I live in Louisville which borders Southern Indiana (I am referring to the Indiana counties that are in the Louisville Metropolitan area). Southern Indiana uses our cable provider, gets our local TV stations, and gets all of our programming. We also get some spillover of things that interest them, such as ABC regional coverage always carrying Big Ten football games, and one of our local stations carrying a few Indiana football and basketball games. We get coverage of other teams that interest them, such as coverage for the Colts and Pacers, IU, Purdue, and even a bit of Notre Dame.

Just like us, they get coverage of UofL sports and some UK coverages as well. And like them, we get the Big Ten Network. However, one drastic difference: the Big Ten Network only gets $0.10 per subscriber in Louisville, and is on a sports tier. Right across the river they get about $0.65 per subscriber and it is on basic cable. Likewise, WHAS carries the Big East Network syndication package, and shows it in Indiana. However, their ad rates set a different price for the number of Kentucky viewers as they do for the Indiana viewers, even though there is a higher concentration of Louisville fans in Southern Indiana than there are Indiana fans.

You would be looking at a similar situation there. A Big East Network would have distribution outside of the core markets of our teams. However, the amount you can charge and the ability to get on basic cable is a drastically different situation. And if a network comes to fruition, the amount of money that can be made in Orlando would be tenfold with UCF than without it in almost every conceivable situation.
11-19-2010 10:32 AM
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RE: If ECU can bring all of NC
East Carolina is a growing program, and they would be a good add for the Big East if they got in, but what would it bring? You have high-level football, and the baseball would probably dominate, but the rest of the sports might not be as good.

Anywhere west of Raleigh, East Carolina might as well be an out of state team. In Charlotte, their football is probably #6 at best behind UNC, NC State, Wake, Clemson, Duke, and South Carolina. Appalachian State might even be more popular.

Even in Raleigh, they're the #4 school at best. The only place where they're #1 or #2 is within 35-40 miles of Greenville.

ECU would bring regional TV in Raleigh, Greenville, Wilmington, Norfolk, Greensboro, and probably Myrtle Beach.

At least they're better than Charlotte. There are barely any fans outside of Mecklenburg and maybe Iredell County.
11-20-2010 11:17 PM
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(11-20-2010 11:17 PM)sctvman Wrote:  East Carolina is a growing program, and they would be a good add for the Big East if they got in, but what would it bring? You have high-level football, and the baseball would probably dominate, but the rest of the sports might not be as good.

Anywhere west of Raleigh, East Carolina might as well be an out of state team. In Charlotte, their football is probably #6 at best behind UNC, NC State, Wake, Clemson, Duke, and South Carolina. Appalachian State might even be more popular.

Even in Raleigh, they're the #4 school at best. The only place where they're #1 or #2 is within 35-40 miles of Greenville.

ECU would bring regional TV in Raleigh, Greenville, Wilmington, Norfolk, Greensboro, and probably Myrtle Beach.

At least they're better than Charlotte. There are barely any fans outside of Mecklenburg and maybe Iredell County.

Really, when we play in Charlotte the stadium is sold out or almost. We carry 30,000+ to the game. When we played in the Liberty we got the highest rating of all the Bowls. In Football we are easily 3rd. It's our 3rd largest Alumni base next to Ral & Greenville. Now we are also 3rd in Raleigh. Only UNC & NC St are the only ones that out draw us on TV in Football.
11-21-2010 05:17 PM
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(11-13-2010 01:57 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  That's a BIG IF Whitey. But, yes. I would add ECU - YESTERDAY - if that was the case.

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(11-21-2010 05:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  nm
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RE: If ECU can bring all of NC
(11-19-2010 10:32 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(11-18-2010 04:40 PM)MiamiBull2 Wrote:  Don't people realize that the BIG EAST is already in the Orlando market due to cable agreements and USF being in the BIG EAST? IF there was a Big East network without UCF, it would not just be in Tampa but also in Orlando due to cable rights agreements. Don't people understand this?

This is incorrect, at least in monetary terms. For example, I live in Louisville which borders Southern Indiana (I am referring to the Indiana counties that are in the Louisville Metropolitan area). Southern Indiana uses our cable provider, gets our local TV stations, and gets all of our programming. We also get some spillover of things that interest them, such as ABC regional coverage always carrying Big Ten football games, and one of our local stations carrying a few Indiana football and basketball games. We get coverage of other teams that interest them, such as coverage for the Colts and Pacers, IU, Purdue, and even a bit of Notre Dame.

Just like us, they get coverage of UofL sports and some UK coverages as well. And like them, we get the Big Ten Network. However, one drastic difference: the Big Ten Network only gets $0.10 per subscriber in Louisville, and is on a sports tier. Right across the river they get about $0.65 per subscriber and it is on basic cable. Likewise, WHAS carries the Big East Network syndication package, and shows it in Indiana. However, their ad rates set a different price for the number of Kentucky viewers as they do for the Indiana viewers, even though there is a higher concentration of Louisville fans in Southern Indiana than there are Indiana fans.

You would be looking at a similar situation there. A Big East Network would have distribution outside of the core markets of our teams. However, the amount you can charge and the ability to get on basic cable is a drastically different situation. And if a network comes to fruition, the amount of money that can be made in Orlando would be tenfold with UCF than without it in almost every conceivable situation.


Great example for the bull fan...as they don't understand the difference between REVENUE vs exposure.

Heck, ECU & UCF games are shown in Anchorage, Alaska...but CUSA/UCF make little to no $$$$ off them.

The $$$$ are made when your local team in your market is in said conf.
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11-22-2010 06:48 AM
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Interesting reading this now...pre UCF and ECU invite to the Big East. Now were are talking about going to the B12, etc. Funny.
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