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(10-08-2010 10:18 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  To be fair, plenty of Establishment conservatives have trashed her.

During the primaries and not over the wicca thing. This was something manufactured by the left to make her look like a clown..
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Manufactured? It was her own quote. That's like someone suggesting these pictures were Manufactured by the right. She took them. Take some responsibility for who you are once in a while.

And plenty have bashed her after, to say otherwise is just a lie.
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(10-08-2010 11:01 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Manufactured? It was her own quote. That's like someone suggesting these pictures were Manufactured by the right. She took them. Take some responsibility for who you are once in a while.

And plenty have bashed her after, to say otherwise is just a lie.

The quote is real the issue is manufactured. It's similar to the swift boating of Kerry
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(10-08-2010 11:01 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Manufactured? It was her own quote. That's like someone suggesting these pictures were Manufactured by the right. She took them. Take some responsibility for who you are once in a while.

And plenty have bashed her after, to say otherwise is just a lie.

Conservatives are held to a higher standard. Why?

As for Bush, liberals were in full attack mode. If they would have been able to release the forged documents closer to the election, the GOP would not have had time to expose them as forgeries. It may have caused Bush to lose the election. By far, liberal attacks on GOP women, Paul and Presidents is worse than anything Conservatives could come up with. The GOP take a slightly higher road, and they suffer like McCain did, when he didn't challenge Obama and the LameStream Media more.
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Wait. Chick's name is really "Krystal Ball"?

Have any of her previous endeavors involved a shiny pole and the Moody Blues' "Nights in White Satin"?
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Sum.. I assume you are trolling, but I'll answer anyways just so you can move on. I don't know why it wouldn't be obvious to you.

There are of course plenty of exceptions, but on average, Conservatives / Republicans are more likely to be running a campaign based around Christian Values. When your campaign is focused on pandering to the Christian base, it's only logical that you'd be expected to uphold their values.
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(10-08-2010 12:27 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Sum.. I assume you are trolling, but I'll answer anyways just so you can move on. I don't know why it wouldn't be obvious to you.

There are of course plenty of exceptions, but on average, Conservatives / Republicans are more likely to be running a campaign based around Christian Values. When your campaign is focused on pandering to the Christian base, it's only logical that you'd be expected to uphold their values.

According to your {logic?} thinking, a person running for PUBLIC office, devoid of values is less likely to be attacked personally and easier for them to defend their position. Does that sum it up for ya?

The double standard is obvious to me, and if you weren't under a rock here, you would know that by my posts. Or not, I could care less.

As for trolling, you are free to MOVE ALONG, without response.
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Sum, of course they are held to different standards. But that's because the people they are pandering to have a different set of values. Why does this surprise, or even bother you?

My logic is that those who run a campaign based on having strong moral values, instead of focusing on other topics, are bound to be held to a high standard in that regard.

Just like someone who only talks about the economy would be torn apart if they made poor fiscal decisions in their past. If you want an example, look at Democrat, Alexi Ginannoulias in the IL senate race, a guy who has failed miserably with finances, and yet two of his three key issues in his website are about fixing the economy. He's getting rightfully ripped for his fiscal irresponsibility because that's what his campaign is focused on.
Whereas his opponent, Mark Kirk, is getting ripped on for lying about his military service and education record. Because a big part of his campaign is being a veteran and having a sound education background.
(And yes, feel free to point out the obvious, either choice is miserable, but that's a different topic).

When you run a morality based campaign, you are asking to be judged on your values and how well you stick to them. It just so happens, Conservatives are more likely to be the ones trying to get conservative Christian votes.
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(10-08-2010 01:39 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Sum, of course they are held to different standards. But that's because the people they are pandering to have a different set of values. Why does this surprise, or even bother you?
My logic is that those who run a campaign based on having strong moral values, instead of focusing on other topics, are bound to be held to a high standard in that regard.
Just like someone who only talks about the economy would be torn apart if they made poor fiscal decisions in their past. If you want an example, look at Democrat, Alexi Ginannoulias in the IL senate race, a guy who has failed miserably with finances, and yet two of his three key issues in his website are about fixing the economy. He's getting rightfully ripped for his fiscal irresponsibility because that's what his campaign is focused on.
Whereas his opponent, Mark Kirk, is getting ripped on for lying about his military service and education record. Because a big part of his campaign is being a veteran and having a sound education background.
(And yes, feel free to point out the obvious, either choice is miserable, but that's a different topic).
When you run a morality based campaign, you are asking to be judged on your values and how well you stick to them. It just so happens, Conservatives are more likely to be the ones trying to get conservative Christian votes.

Which is exactly why the republicans were idiots for tolerating the likes of Mark Foley and Larry Craig. If you're going to push family values, start with your own.

As for your comments about the Illinois senate race, can anybody name an election where we have two good candidates running?
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(10-07-2010 08:47 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  And any "husband" that would let his wife put a ***** on his nose and take photographs deserves a one way ticket to ****land.

This is the major issue that makes me fear for our future.

(10-08-2010 12:12 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Wait. Chick's name is really "Krystal Ball"?

Have any of her previous endeavors involved a shiny pole and the Moody Blues' "Nights in White Satin"?

The other thing that makes me fear for our future is that we have candidates with porn star names who aren't actual porn stars.

That said, I may have to give her a pass:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krystal_Bal..._education Wrote:Ball's distinctive name came from her father, a physicist who did his dissertation on crystals
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(10-08-2010 01:39 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Sum, of course they are held to different standards. But that's because the people they are pandering to have a different set of values. Why does this surprise, or even bother you?

My logic is that those who run a campaign based on having strong moral values, instead of focusing on other topics, are bound to be held to a high standard in that regard.

Just like someone who only talks about the economy would be torn apart if they made poor fiscal decisions in their past. If you want an example, look at Democrat, Alexi Ginannoulias in the IL senate race, a guy who has failed miserably with finances, and yet two of his three key issues in his website are about fixing the economy. He's getting rightfully ripped for his fiscal irresponsibility because that's what his campaign is focused on.
Whereas his opponent, Mark Kirk, is getting ripped on for lying about his military service and education record. Because a big part of his campaign is being a veteran and having a sound education background.
(And yes, feel free to point out the obvious, either choice is miserable, but that's a different topic).

When you run a morality based campaign, you are asking to be judged on your values and how well you stick to them. It just so happens, Conservatives are more likely to be the ones trying to get conservative Christian votes.

Oh for the love of Pete....

Ok you want the double standard... Al Gore's boat has a bigger Carbon footprint than my house, and yet people cite him as an environment crusader, and someone who should be listened to. He got a nobel prize for hack work, lives a completely opposite lifestyle and the MSM gives him a pass..
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(10-08-2010 03:32 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(10-08-2010 01:39 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Sum, of course they are held to different standards. But that's because the people they are pandering to have a different set of values. Why does this surprise, or even bother you?

My logic is that those who run a campaign based on having strong moral values, instead of focusing on other topics, are bound to be held to a high standard in that regard.

Just like someone who only talks about the economy would be torn apart if they made poor fiscal decisions in their past. If you want an example, look at Democrat, Alexi Ginannoulias in the IL senate race, a guy who has failed miserably with finances, and yet two of his three key issues in his website are about fixing the economy. He's getting rightfully ripped for his fiscal irresponsibility because that's what his campaign is focused on.
Whereas his opponent, Mark Kirk, is getting ripped on for lying about his military service and education record. Because a big part of his campaign is being a veteran and having a sound education background.
(And yes, feel free to point out the obvious, either choice is miserable, but that's a different topic).

When you run a morality based campaign, you are asking to be judged on your values and how well you stick to them. It just so happens, Conservatives are more likely to be the ones trying to get conservative Christian votes.

Oh for the love of Pete....

Ok you want the double standard... Al Gore's boat has a bigger Carbon footprint than my house, and yet people cite him as an environment crusader, and someone who should be listened to. He got a nobel prize for hack work, lives a completely opposite lifestyle and the MSM gives him a pass..

He's not defending the double standard. He is promoting it.
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Bull in Exile, people rip on Al Gore constantly for his hypocrisy. That's my point.

Sum, I'm suggesting you practice what you preach. If you want to call that a double standard, fine. But if you aren't going around talking about Christian values, I don't know why you should be held to that standard. If you want the Christian vote, you should be held accountable to meeting their standards, just like Al Gore should be held accountable by those who promote Climate change policies (which he is). Gore is ripped on by the far left all the time, as he should be.
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(10-08-2010 04:08 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Bull in Exile, people rip on Al Gore constantly for his hypocrisy. That's my point.

Sum, I'm suggesting you practice what you preach. If you want to call that a double standard, fine. But if you aren't going around talking about Christian values, I don't know why you should be held to that standard. If you want the Christian vote, you should be held accountable to meeting their standards, just like Al Gore should be held accountable by those who promote Climate change policies (which he is). Gore is ripped on by the far left all the time, as he should be.

My value is Public Servants should serve the public honestly. That value would drain the swamp, rapid.

To my point.

Quote:There is more than one way to manipulate the public, and the progressive movement has turned it into an art form. Less than one week after their AstroTurf rally in Washington DC, where unions and socialist organizations foot the bill to bus people to the nation’s capital city, the Daily Kos has developed an new AstroTurf program with the objective to Google to trash Republican Candidates.

“Here at Daily Kos, we are going to engage in very different, but still very important, form of election activism. It’s a type of activism no one else is working on, and it is well-suited to our medium as a blog. It’s a grassroots-based search engine optimization campaign, which I call Grassroots SEO for short.”
The purpose of the SEO Astro Turf program is to influence undecided voters by having them read negative articles about Republican candidates for Congress. This exploits the fact many undecided voters conduct pre-election research via search engines like Google.

Kos is urging their members to sign up for a program to conduct research and then link damaging articles with the purpose of manipulating them to the top of the Google rankings where they will be the first thing read when an undecided voter is researching their candidates.

“One of the most common political activities people take online is to use search engines, mainly Google, to find information on candidates….These results of these searches are always in flux based upon hyperlinks anyone posts anywhere on the Internet, including message board comments and social networking sites (but not email).

As a result of this, not only is it possible for us to use our hyperlinks to impact what people find when they search for information on candidates, but we would be foolish not to do so in a way that benefited our preferred candidates. We are already impacting search engine rankings whenever we post any hyperlink anywhere, so we need to make sure the way we use hyperlinks helps result in our preferred political outcomes.”

Here's how the scam works, once the Kos reader signs up for the program, they access a spread sheet (conveniently is saved on Google docs) which lists the 98 most competitive House campaigns, along with the name of the Republican candidate in those campaigns. The list is based on the usual sites that all election junkies follow (Swing State, FiveThirtyEight, Cook, Rothenberg, and Sabato).

“…as a group, we need to find and choose the damaging articles on Republican candidates that we want undecided voters to read. It is only after finding the articles that we can push them up search engine rankings. As such, finding those articles is the main purpose of this diary. (We are targeting House campaigns since Senate campaigns are so much more difficult to influence, due to their extensive media coverage.

Next they want participants to do their own searches and find the most damaging articles they can with these stipulations:

* Title damaging in and of itself. Not many people who see the article will actually click through and read it.

* Name of candidate in title. In addition to a catchy title, it is key that the name of the candidate appear in the title itself.

* ...Find negative articles from as high profile a news organization as possible. When high profile can’t be found, then local news outlets will do just fine. Whatever you find, make sure said news organization is at least ostensibly claims to be non-partisan.

* ...Already has a high Google ranking. Increasing the visibility of the article will be a lot easier if the article already has a decent Google ranking. For our purposes, top 100 is OK, and top 50 is good. Something already in the top 20, or even the top 10, would be awesome. (Note: make sure you sign out of Google before conducting keyword searches on the candidate’s full name to test the Google ranking of the article).

* Name of candidate in URL. The SEO effort will be greatly enhanced if the name of the candidate appears in the URL of the article.

* Keep it short... Keep it recent…

Once the participant finds good (for their purposes) articles they are to send it to the folks at the daily Kos, who will publish the list for all the participants to publish, tweet, Facebook etc.

“That’s it. Once we get the articles we can start working to push them up search engine rankings. We need to launch the campaign early next week, so let’s gather these articles as quickly as we can.”

This kind of effort is precisely the progressive way of doing things. Instead of arguing the issues and convincing people why their position is correct, the Daily Kos is trying to manipulate the system. One could almost accept this strategy if they attempting to manipulate positions, for example pushing articles explaining why Obamacare is wonderful to the top of the rankings. At least then they would be trying to inform the public.

This points out the real difference between progressives and conservatives; progressives have no confidence in the public so their strategy is to find damaging headlines about a candidate, so they can brand them as bad people. They tried to do the same thing they do with the Tea Party. Not being able argue with the fact that most Americans agree with the tea party positions, they call them names like racist or "tea baggers."

Interestingly the White House has been complaining recently that "secret" GOP money has been flowing into key districts manipulating the outcome of the campaigns. Frankly I believe this most recent Presidential whining has no basis in fact. Either way, to be consistent Obama should be screaming at this blatant attempt to manipulate search engines to defraud the public. Then again, it has also been proven that this President has no desire to have a fair election process; this is the President whose Department of Justice refused to prosecute ACORN for election fraud, and has been accused of treating Caucasians and minorities differently in election related Civil Rights cases.

And the Liberal Dishonesty Continues
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(10-08-2010 12:12 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Wait. Chick's name is really "Krystal Ball"?

Have any of her previous endeavors involved a shiny pole and the Moody Blues' "Nights in White Satin"?

I'm still stuck on that name but it could have been worse. At least it isn't Krystal Balls.
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(10-08-2010 04:08 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Bull in Exile, people rip on Al Gore constantly for his hypocrisy. That's my point.

Sum, I'm suggesting you practice what you preach. If you want to call that a double standard, fine. But if you aren't going around talking about Christian values, I don't know why you should be held to that standard. If you want the Christian vote, you should be held accountable to meeting their standards, just like Al Gore should be held accountable by those who promote Climate change policies (which he is). Gore is ripped on by the far left all the time, as he should be.

Show me the CBS nightly news stories that lead with Al Gore getting called out..
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Let me just go through my recordings of the CBS nightly news. Thankfully I've cataloged them all so it shouldn't be much of a problem.
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(10-08-2010 04:08 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Bull in Exile, people rip on Al Gore constantly for his hypocrisy. That's my point.

He is a f'n hypocrite. To the nth degree.
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