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No vote on taxes until after the election
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Hard to say what happens here.

If they lose control of the house my guess is that they don't hold a vote at all. The let the cuts expire, making the republicans take it on in the new term. Republicans won't have a veto proof majority, so the dems and Obama will fight to cut taxes only for the middle class. They'll play the class warfare game on cutting taxes for those making above 250k and argue the cuts should only go through for those making less. Taxes on estates, capital gains and dividends will go up and won't be able to pass again for threat of Obama veto.

If they keep control, I say the same thing happens.
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RE: No vote on taxes until after the election
Taxes on people making over 250,000 are going up form today's level. It's inevitable. Everyone saves face now. Republicans have fought the good fight. Boehner lost a little street cred, but all in all. The writing is on the wall.
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(09-24-2010 08:34 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Taxes on people making over 250,000 are going up form today's level. It's inevitable. Everyone saves face now. Republicans have fought the good fight. Boehner lost a little street cred, but all in all. The writing is on the wall.

Give me 5 minutes with a listing US military bases overseas, US federal government departments, and US entitlements ... and a whiteout pen ... and I can balance the budget, eliminate the federal debt, and cut taxes for all classes.
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(09-24-2010 08:34 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Taxes on people making over 250,000 are going up form today's level. It's inevitable. Everyone saves face now. Republicans have fought the good fight. Boehner lost a little street cred, but all in all. The writing is on the wall.

Taxes are going up on EVERYONE because they're going to let the entire thing expire. Not just those "evil rich" you keep bitching about. The ones that create the jobs.
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It's like the Bush tax cuts are a well timed grenade into the Democratic caucus.
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RE: No vote on taxes until after the election
Was listening to the local news station yesterday and they were interviewing one of the republican candidates for congress in the area. The moron host asked this question:

"The Pledge For America talks about extending the Bush tax cuts. Given where our economy is it's clear they didn't work before, why would they work now?" 01-wingedeagle

The stupidity of the question was mind boggling to me. As if the Bush tax cuts would have prevented Derivative swaps, the housing bubble and people getting mortgages they couldn't afford.
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RE: No vote on taxes until after the election
(09-24-2010 08:34 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Taxes on people and businesses making over 250,000 are going up form today's level. It's inevitable. Everyone saves face now. Republicans have fought the good fight. Boehner lost a little street cred, but all in all. The writing is on the wall.

Fixed it for you. after all 60% of private filers over 250K are small businesses.
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RE: No vote on taxes until after the election
(09-24-2010 08:37 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(09-24-2010 08:34 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Taxes on people making over 250,000 are going up form today's level. It's inevitable. Everyone saves face now. Republicans have fought the good fight. Boehner lost a little street cred, but all in all. The writing is on the wall.

Give me 5 minutes with a listing US military bases overseas, US federal government departments, and US entitlements ... and a whiteout pen ... and I can balance the budget, eliminate the federal debt, and cut taxes for all classes.

What he said!
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RE: No vote on taxes until after the election
(09-24-2010 09:04 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  It's like the Bush tax cuts are a well timed grenade into the Democratic caucus.

Actually its more the result of yet another democratic circular firing squad. *IF* they had allowed the Bush Tax Cuts to be permanent they could have spent the summer talking about raising one bracket instaed of trying to jump through hoops to save some but not others..
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RE: No vote on taxes until after the election
http://www.donovanforsenate.com/meet_chu...h-mission/

http://www.donovanforsenate.com/the-issues/

Lemme know if there's anything in there you disagree with. That is essentially my stance.


..and why I'm voting for him?

http://www.donovanforsenate.com/blog/isa...istencies/

F*** Isakson.
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RE: No vote on taxes until after the election
(09-24-2010 01:04 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  
(09-24-2010 12:33 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(09-24-2010 08:37 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(09-24-2010 08:34 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Taxes on people making over 250,000 are going up form today's level. It's inevitable. Everyone saves face now. Republicans have fought the good fight. Boehner lost a little street cred, but all in all. The writing is on the wall.

Give me 5 minutes with a listing US military bases overseas, US federal government departments, and US entitlements ... and a whiteout pen ... and I can balance the budget, eliminate the federal debt, and cut taxes for all classes.

What he said!

Ding Ding Ding Ding!

Balanced budget.

a sleeker more efficient military, that is STILL the finest in the world.

a better education system

Also, I say cut foreign aid to places that don't need it. Yes, I'm talking about Israel, South Africa and a few others. Not that my ideas there would be popular....

The only way for the fed to make education better is to disband the department of ed and let the states take care of it. 100% no reason why I as a Minnesotan should have a say in California school policy.
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(09-24-2010 01:53 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  Then again, you'd end up with a state like Texas rewriting history. 03-wink

It's all a big circle. The states can't handle it either. Look at Ohio... or hell, California.

You need a small, and efficient Federal DoE, not some insane giant watchdog. Just something that can keep the states from going bonkers with their education systems...

That's up to the Texas citizenry. They won't be able to control school books in Georgia. The DoE needs to go. Ever since it's inception, educational standards have dropped. It's a sucking chest wound to the taxpayer.
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The tax cuts are already in place. This would be a tax increase. Democrats want to say they cut taxes on the middle class by extending this which is a lie. Bush cut the taxes on the middle class. The democrats will either raise taxes or leave them alone for the middle class. Democrats aren't cutting anyones taxes. This is a debate over who gets their taxes increased. Give Bush the credit for cutting taxes after 9/11 to grow the economy. Democrats want to take the credit for the middle class tax cut away from Bush and put Obama's name on it then claim they hit the rich to pay for it. Obama said all along he would let all the Bush tax cuts expire during the campaign. He tries to blame the Republians for increase of the middle class tax if this doesn't get done to give him political cover. He wants to tax the rich more so he can play the class warfare game with the people. Yes, You got nothing but look what I took from "da Man". He won't hurt you by showing off his bling bling at you anymore. Nevermind you lost your job at the jewerly store. You just were making the owner rich. Now you get to do nothing and get unemployment. See how the gov't made your life better boy.
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RE: No vote on taxes until after the election
(09-24-2010 01:53 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  
(09-24-2010 01:27 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(09-24-2010 01:04 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  
(09-24-2010 12:33 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(09-24-2010 08:37 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Give me 5 minutes with a listing US military bases overseas, US federal government departments, and US entitlements ... and a whiteout pen ... and I can balance the budget, eliminate the federal debt, and cut taxes for all classes.

What he said!

Ding Ding Ding Ding!

Balanced budget.

a sleeker more efficient military, that is STILL the finest in the world.

a better education system

Also, I say cut foreign aid to places that don't need it. Yes, I'm talking about Israel, South Africa and a few others. Not that my ideas there would be popular....

The only way for the fed to make education better is to disband the department of ed and let the states take care of it. 100% no reason why I as a Minnesotan should have a say in California school policy.

Then again, you'd end up with a state like Texas rewriting history. 03-wink

It's all a big circle. The states can't handle it either. Look at Ohio... or hell, California.

You need a small, and efficient Federal DoE, not some insane giant watchdog. Just something that can keep the states from going bonkers with their education systems...

Am I a Texan? Then why do I care if they 'rewrite' history? And are you telling me bureaucrats in DC are less likely to rewrite history? Execpt when they do it my vote means even less than if hte jokers in St. Paul got it in their heads.

What about Ohio and California? Are they magically independent of the constant mismanagement of education by Washington? I'm not talking about the cost of education, I am talking about the *control* of education.

If DC wants to keep spending between 14K (annual expences) and 21K (total including capitol expenses) to produce a system that has a dropout rate of more than 40%, and produce illiterate 12th graders let them.

If Mississippi want to do the samce for half as much money let them.

" Just something that can keep the states from going bonkers with their education systems..."

Describe Bonkers...

Look the *only* appropriate role for the fed in education might be measurement. The minute the fed takes money from me and relocates it to DC for the purpose of telling the school around the corner from me what and how to teach its overstepping.
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(09-24-2010 02:19 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(09-24-2010 01:53 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  
(09-24-2010 01:27 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(09-24-2010 01:04 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  
(09-24-2010 12:33 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  What he said!

Ding Ding Ding Ding!

Balanced budget.

a sleeker more efficient military, that is STILL the finest in the world.

a better education system

Also, I say cut foreign aid to places that don't need it. Yes, I'm talking about Israel, South Africa and a few others. Not that my ideas there would be popular....

The only way for the fed to make education better is to disband the department of ed and let the states take care of it. 100% no reason why I as a Minnesotan should have a say in California school policy.

Then again, you'd end up with a state like Texas rewriting history. 03-wink

It's all a big circle. The states can't handle it either. Look at Ohio... or hell, California.

You need a small, and efficient Federal DoE, not some insane giant watchdog. Just something that can keep the states from going bonkers with their education systems...

Am I a Texan? Then why do I care if they 'rewrite' history? And are you telling me bureaucrats in DC are less likely to rewrite history? Execpt when they do it my vote means even less than if hte jokers in St. Paul got it in their heads.

What about Ohio and California? Are they magically independent of the constant mismanagement of education by Washington? I'm not talking about the cost of education, I am talking about the *control* of education.

If DC wants to keep spending between 14K (annual expences) and 21K (total including capitol expenses) to produce a system that has a dropout rate of more than 40%, and produce illiterate 12th graders let them.

If Mississippi want to do the samce for half as much money let them.

" Just something that can keep the states from going bonkers with their education systems..."

Describe Bonkers...

Look the *only* appropriate role for the fed in education might be measurement. The minute the fed takes money from me and relocates it to DC for the purpose of telling the school around the corner from me what and how to teach its overstepping.

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(09-24-2010 03:11 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  I dunno, are you a Texan? I think you live in the Minnesota? And yes, you should. Because when Texas does, it effects schools across the country through their texts books. As someone who has nearly an entire family in education, I can tell you that's exactly what is/will happen.

Just out of curiosity, if it's already happening now, what would disbanding the DoE matter? I would think the very existence of a DoE makes Texas' monopoly on books possible.
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i assert that the market could correct that problem with textbooks
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(09-24-2010 03:11 PM)CountryRedHawk Wrote:  I dunno, are you a Texan? I think you live in the Minnesota? And yes, you should. Because when Texas does, it effects schools across the country through their texts books. As someone who has nearly an entire family in education, I can tell you that's exactly what is/will happen.

And if the other 49 states, or even just CA/NY/FL said 'to hell with that we'll buy our books elsewhere.

Quote:And did you see that I said a SMALLER more efficient DoE?

A smaller cancer is still a cancer

Quote:It's a good thing to have some standards across the country.

Why? It prevents schools from doing anything innovative, it strips power from teachers, parents, and locally elected school boards.

Watch the series "food revolution" where the chef trying to improve the school menu is told he needs another vegetable so they throw fries in. Potato a vegetable for school lunches in West Virginia? wanna bet a senator from Idaho had something to do with that?

If it screws with lunchroom imagine what it does to classrooms!!

Quote:As for Beaurocrats, why not have actual TEACHERS in charge? What about Ohio and California?

I grew up in a Union household so trust me when I say this. The minute you pull someone off the line and make them a union rep they change.

In DC Bureaucrats control everything.

Quote:So, please stop twisting everything. The Fed is good for somethings. Like standardizing.[quote]

I have no problem with optional standards being created and distributed. I do have a problem with enforcement!

[quote]But I forget that the reason Japan, and Europe have some of the best schools, is because they leave their education upto the parents, and their locals. Wait, they don't.

Rather than try to look at a different culture and ask why are they doing better why not look at charter Schools.

Why do Charter Schools do better than other Public Schools? More local control and parent involvement!

Quote:FYI, before you knock DC schools themselves, remember YOUR representatives from MINNESOTA ARE responsible for that mess. As are mine from South Carolina. [quote]

No doubt, and I could have just as easily said Detroit, Minneapolis, or Richmond. Point is that as the govt has gotten more involved in education the quality has gone down.

[quote]And the last time I saw the numbers, SC/Mississippi have the WORST state wide schools in the country.

Does not hurt my kid in Saint Paul. I could care less, in all honesty, how poorly they run their schools.

Quote:It doesn't effect Minnesota, California, Ohio or DC... or New York, Massachusetts at all. Because these United States of America aren't one, singular, nation made of up of many states, but many individual states with no bearing at all on the others.(and yes, that is what you are saying.)

Yet you desire a federal standard which, at best, would pull the top performing states down rather than force states like Mississippi to take a long look in the Mirror.

Quote:Oh, so, the Feds are good for one thing?

I said *might* and I only mean so that a state can see who is doing the best and then decide to copy and change some of the better practices. You know 'Laboratories Of Democracy'

Quote:And the Fed would STILL be taking YOUR money and relocating it to DC for the purpose of telling the school around the corner from you what, and how to teach with those standards.


No it would take far less of my money to tell my school district how its doing against the other states, not what or how to teach.
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